Nokia's Lumia handset is barely shifting at all, according to figures from consumer price-comparison site Mobiles Please, though it still manages to be the best selling Windows Phone. Mobiles Please bases the stats on more than 5,000 sales across its family of sites during November, and finds that the Nokia Lumia 800 made up …
I'm posting from mine
I've had my Lumia (a word not in the phone's dictionary!) for 3 weeks now. It has replaced my original iPhone.
Good points? The os is great. Really. The hub approach is really very smart, and the level of integration of social stuff throughout the phone is great. So far everyone who has seen and played with my phone has been impressed, particularly with people hub, pictures, grouping etc
But not enough to want one instead of an iPhone 4s...
The phone never feels less than responsive. It zips
The soft keyboard is good: better than iPhone. This post was typed on the Lumia...
The hardware is good too. Mostly.
no vpn. Inexcusable for the demographic aimed at.
Battery... Charge every day.
That flap covering the micro usb port is not long for this world
camera white balance is, bluntly, exceptionally poor
Quality of pictures is only just acceptable
It's a great bit of kit that I am evangelising, but it needs some polishing.
I've had my L
with my ph
Sometimes, its just too easy to take this piss when your'e dealing with m$
Bestseller in XYZ country?
All those stats come from wmpoweruser.com (or whatever) and are based on going to a carrier's web site and sorting phones by "bestselling"--problem is that I assume the *web sites* are only counting *web sales*. Probably not a representative sample, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of stores chose to not stock the Lumia which means people who want to buy it will disproportionately order it from the web, thus artificially increasing its "bestselling" rank.
Agreed that MSFT seems to be doing a lot of astroturfing here. This is the 3rd story about the Lumia I've seen this week on different web sites yet the comments sections are always full of links back to these bogus wmpoweruser statistics.
Well, good luck with that. It's going to look pretty silly in a few months when real (bad) sales figures come out. But I suppose this misinformation campaign is the only option they have left to try to drum up support for the OS before it becomes common knowledge that hardly anybody is adopting it.
I've never heard of Mobiles Please before, and 5,300 sold handsets doesn't seem to be a significant number in the grand scale of things either. I tend to doubt that the 0.17% share recorded by that source (or 9 units in other words) tells much about the actual market share and potential the Lumia may or may not have.
Admittedly it doesn't look good, but I'd question the source here. They sold a rather small number of handsets across the board, only target consumers, and probably only those who order online.
This shouldn't really be used as an indication as to whether or not Lumia may sell well. Certainly the source isn't strong enough to make it a news item here.
Microsoft hate has a purpose
As humans we crave progress.
As a monopolist Microsoft is well proven to prevent progress. They're not at all ashamed of it - they're quite proud. With their patent suits, their killing of competing software vendors, their brutal business deals like Sendo and Nokia, their total dominance of PC vendors they prove it anew every week. They're quite fine with it. It's not enough for them to win: everybody else has to lose also.
We're not OK with that. And we're not ever going to be.
And the astroturfing thing has to stop too. That's not OK either. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/dec/19/nokia-microsoft-lumia-comments
+1 No-one will touch this phone unless they are forced to
They have had their moment. There will be no return to the bloated desktop OS they dominated now - its either web-based via browsers, tablets or smartphones from now on, and they are absolutely nowhere in those markets. Just need a way to stop them leeching $5 per handset from the good guys somehow and then they're toast - reduced to merely skinning Google's search engine and calling it their own, for example,but for everything they put out:: http://tinyurl.com/46hlnq7
Merry Christmas Microsoft!
And lets hope 2012 brings you all you richly deserve.
To the stake! To the stake!
I just love to see people who are so enamored with their critical thinking skills at work go medieval and act like wild peasants from the Dark Ages. What a thin veneer civilization really is!
Appropriate, since this app-less, user-less primitive fail of a phone can't even multitask properly which in mobile terms puts it firmly in the dark ages indeed.
Nice we can agree on something.
Nice we can agree on something. iPhone Fanboi, or FanDroid, who would actually WANT this Windows thing?
Nokia? Didn't they disappear?
Well, in the US market, Nokia completely disappeared and is no longer a recognizable brand name. Widespread Attention Deficit Disorder has a tendency to do that.... The people that do remember them, only remember they rapidly exited their previous market, and could leave me in a lurch if I buy one of their devices and they suddenly change direction again. It will be a long slow slog in order to recover from that. It is hard to establish a new brand in an already crowded US market.
Not that it matters now as it is two years too late, but Nokia's only way to have survived would have been to have continued it's (then new) Android program (replacing Symbian) to stay on the shelves and in the public consciousness, and then do the Windows Mobile program as well (starting with Mango) in order to have multiple suppliers. You typically don't want to be tied to just one supplier on anything in business. I agree with Barry. It looks like Elop intentionally tanked Nokia. Not sure if MS wanted to buy it, but somebody will, and soon. At this point sadly, Nokia is valuable for patents only. Whoever buys it will scrap the company and keep the patents... *sigh*
Only one buyer
Elop will balance the dismal performance and share price so that no-one else can splurge on the corpse of Nokia. Only M$ and Apple are likely to have the cash, and I don't think apple shareholders will be keen on buying an M$ house, and even if they think of it, Elop will be there to recommend acceptance to the Nokia board and shareholders.
Maybe more than one if the price is right...
I guess I can't figure out the reasoning to tank it other than grabbing patents. It is pretty obvious Elop did just that, but other than picking up patents on the cheap, why kill Nokia? Prior to 2010 it was a well respected premium phone brand that was worth something.
Interesting how anyone who has actually used WinPho 7.5 and then goes on to say its actually very good (eg. myself and divx) get downvoted yet those who M$ bash, many of whom seem never seem to have used it but still say its M$ band therefore must be crap get a ton of upvotes...
Sauce for the goose, ect......
Well, now you know how it feels to be treated like a Mac user. Deal with it.
Yeah tell me about it.
There are so many opinions on this about the companies, not the Nokia Lumia 800 as a product. Sure the iPhone is better, but its too expensive (for me). So looking at the next choice is Android (which people are defending to the death) and again, its very nice. Just a little too fragmented for me. To me, the Nokia is well priced, Good contracts, different, rugged and does everything i need quickly.
As a side note, people are talking about Microsoft being this evil company (which they are!) but so are the other major players out there - wake up.
Apple - They wont let you develop apps without buying an Apple mac, they also take a good chunk out of the profits from the dictatorship like App store - Very peace and loving.
Android (Google) - Completely ripped of somebody else's OS (iOS) and added nothing revolutionary at all. Just copied, made it cheap and sold.
All three are evil, but they sure do good business.
Astroturfing sockpuppets + nerdy hate frenzy
Check the posting records of accounts posting actively in this thread:
For the record I have an Android phone, would have got an N9 if it weren't so expensive. Could have been an Apple or WinPho just as well. It's just a phone.
because the point is, no one wants it enough to find out what it's like. You're going to be an elite minority for a while
How about its from an extortionist who long ago gave up trying to compete fairly so steals $5 from each handset of those that do?
Tedious ill informed nonsense
I had an Android phone and was tired lack of updates and the fragmentation.
I wanted a new phone, walked into a phone shop and said 'I want an Iphone or a Nokia, show me both please'.
I waked out with a Nokia 800 and it is the best phone I've had. Super slick and simple to use, great call quality, looks fantastic and the more I use it the more I appreciate the UI. Lots of really nice touches to the animations etc
The kicker for me was the huge price difference on contract - iPhone would have cost me 360 quid more over the 24 month contract.
No, I'm not an M$ hack, no I don't have an agenda, but I do have a very nice phone that is a constant joy to use and it's frankly tedious that so many people want to slate it without using it.
You must be the only one who's happy out a very small bunch of users. Maybe people are expecting too much and Nokia does best of making simple/usable phones. My mums XpressMusic 5800 (what makes it so xpress without dying every 6 months!?) is just the most nonsensical and logic-less phone in the world.Have to go through a maze of menus just to change the ring-tone.
Again though, I did have a play with one of these in the middle of Stratford City Westfields. Why are Nokia sticking a demo desk in a crammed walkway and not hire a shop premises temporarily in a clean environment to sell it? Anyway; to me, I saw nothing exciting with the Lumia 800. It's sturdy and looks great. The OS just doesn't look right like the old Symbian/Nokia combos. I don't get the M$ "off-screen" mumbo-jumbo.
Even the mobile phone shops aren't even promoting this flying pig in Nokia's armour. Nokia will be sold off to M$ cheaply for the patents knowing Google/Apple are at war currently.
Shame really that a telecoms mobile super power has failed to wake-up to the technology coffee of touchscreen phones and smooth UI.
Given Microsofts track record will they get an easy ride when they do their familiar Sendo routine to Nokia? I mean, the monopolies people will as usual see right through their evil plot, but will they as usual wave it through or will there for once be any real opposition? In Europe, they are currently whining about Google and Motorola - clearly a much better deal all round than anything m$ pervert. I dunno, it seems like there must be a tipping point soon when so much anti-m$ sentiment flares up that even the most toothless asslicking authorities have to do something, and no amount of m$ sending them and their families to the Bahamas, like when they are selling their shit to corporations or local governments, will help them any more.
Hah hah hah.
Anyone read the Microsoft annual report last year? It detailed the fact that they made more money last year than they ever have in any previous financial year. Kerching!! And whilst I am not one to speculate, I am betting that the 2012 annual report starts with the wording ‘Microsoft announces record earnings……..’ Microsoft is going from strength to strength at the moment; it is making money hand over fist.
So keep on believing the ‘Microsoft is a dying company’ tripe that you ceaselessly spout. I guess if you really, really want to believe something you can kid yourself it is true eh? And keep on buying the Androids – those $5 all add up :-)
Finally, let me guess, the next post will accuse me working for Microsoft’s PR department……..
..don't you work for Microsoft PR?
Your point is fair; Microsoft does at least know business, and relying on 3 products is not a safe strategy these days. It pays to diversify, and it's transparently working for them...for now. Did they realise they were losing market share before diversifying, or was it the other way round?
Problem is, it's the accountants and the suits doing the innovating, not the techs, and it shows in the quality and Innovation of their products. Time to give the power back to the people who actually design and make the products, maybe?
If this is all consumer sales and there are 6 blackberries in the top 9 then perhaps RIM isn't as bad off as they look. Blackberries still have the highest security clearance for government and the best enterprise connectivity.
What a disappointing, useless and well-designed device...
after 3 generations of iPhones spread somewhat thin over 5 devices, and the last two still demanding more attention and care than a Fabergé egg, and the things having become ludicrously locked down like some pocket Fort Knox, I am all but willing and ready for something different. You know something's different already when a Microsoft brainfart already feels like a breezy. fresh wind of change.
I'd love to give Nokia a go, and be it just that my first couple of mobes were Nokias. Nokiae. Nokiums. But Lumia it most certainly won't be, because I've had my share of fun with batteries that are soldered, screwed and/or glued well far away from being user-replacable. If one decides to take on the number one peddler of form-over-function devices and pocketable marketplaces, why not approach it from an angle that actually makes sense and improves on things? Why focus on the bits that just plain don't work and annoy people? In my books, you either attack with a proper, well though-out device or you try to copy and fail, even if the fruitheads don't decide to sue you silly.
Windows Phone or Android for the OS.
User-replaceable battery (with no pentalob-unscrewing or desoldering required) and some mini or micro storage card for storing data - is that really so hard or undesirable as they make it look? Or is that just the 'trend' we're all supposed to like now?
Lumia is the series
The 800 is the first one locked up with screws. The followup 710 uses a more traditional form factor.
What a phone!
We'll, i received my Lumia 800 and its really quite brilliant. (no i'm not a Microsoft PR).
My brother had a go at it and he said "i want one" after 5 mins of using it. He said that it makes his iPhone 4S look like Windows 95. He loved the hardware as well, commenting on how solid it felt, although like me, didn't understand why the hell they put the flappy USB cover there.
Also take a look at the apps market, good apps are coming in steady and fast, so impressed with the phone. Even more of a shock was the Zune software (PC end) it's actually quite good! the major change is that they really need to get rid of the "Microsoft credits" and put real currency.
Everything is integrated so well, i chose my calendar to be linked with Facebook and Gmail, so now when somebody invites me to an event it will show up on my calendar (If i choose to not attend it gets rid of the calendar entry). I can take a picture, tag the people and share it all natively. I would go on and on but i don't think my comment would get posted if i did.
All you haters who haven't even tried it, just have a go.
Nice to see your 4 posts
And you say you aren't a MSFT PR? You didn't even miss the "android is fragmented" line, the "Everything is integrated so well" or even better, finishing with "All you haters who haven't even tried it, just have a go."
Come on, some of us have already given it a go, and still hate the fugly child toy interface, which wastes half of the visible screen, forcing you to scroll to read anything. The much touted (by MS PR) tiles are just android widgets, non-configurable. And you can't even change the background? You can transfer files to phone only with zune or through the MSFT cloud, and even then only approved file types?
I'll give you one thing, the integration is nice, but I'd rather trust google with the knowledge of all my accounts (which the probably already have) than MSFT..
Sure there are many WP haters out here..
I switched to Android as soon as it was available on a desirable handset, from a brief interlude of iphone (started of with Treo650, then on to WM6 and 6.5 smartphonewise). iphone (3gs at the time) was fluid and nice and all, but was too limiting for me - I'm used to being able to easily transfer and carry arbitrary files, access filesytems (both in the handset and through wireless, bt or wifi). Not bashing the iphone, it just wasn't for me. I'm a geek what can I say.
But I'm finding this reflexive MS bashing somewhat juvenile. I've tried the WP7 out of curiousity - and while it's as "walled around" like the iphone and has its share of faults, I really liked the UI, and it being "action oriented" instead of being "app oriented".
Anybody who has something mildly positive to say about WP7 is not automatically a M$ stooge.
Two wrongs don't make a right
I've been involved with Mobile Phones for 18 years and I've seen an awful lot come and go. Sadly I've owned a Samsung Omnia 7, used an HTC Mozart at work and faffed about with a Nokia Lumina 800.
As far a premium handsets go, the last time Nokia made a truly outstanding handset, it was the Nokia N95 8GB, I had one in 2008 and I gave it away to my partners son in law. Whilst it is cosmetically mangled, it is still working fine.
The Lumina 800 is a very average handset, doesn't go too far wrong but it isn't an iPhone killer-which it needs to be. Can you believe they replicated the two IMHO design faults of the iPhone-fixed battery and memory?
And Windows 7 is so lame-Android Gingerbread on my HTC Sensation XE pulverises it for everything.
So Nokia had better do something special soon or they are going to be out to graze.
Microsoft are big enough to bounce out of a flop, Nokia are going to find it much more difficult.
And bribing reseller staff with freebies and dishing out free handsets will NOT make up for the shortcomings.
Reading through these posts, there is mostly anger directed at anyone who likes a Windows Phone. This coming from people that are really proud of their own Android and Apple phones which are very similar compared to WP's. It's normal to get angry when you've been short changed!
Question about WP's wasted space
We (my wife and I) recently tried the new Lumias in the flesh for the first time. She immediately pointed out that on the homescreen, you lose an entire column of valuable screen space beneath the "->" button. I've not seen anyone else complain about this but it does seem a waste of maybe 10% of the screen... what does anyone else thing about this?
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