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Google's successor to the Nexus 4 is out and it's the first handset to carry the Android 4.4 operating system, aka KitKat. If you want to get hold of one you'll have to wait however – the Google Play store has sold out for the next few weeks, and even if you did order one at launch it may not be shipped out until November 8. So …

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  1. DoNotTouchMyHandle

    OS Size

    Never actually wondered until now (don't know why): 5GB+ of OS? What the hell is in there? A huge driver DB to support all mobile hardware out there?

    Checked my Samsung and JB is reporting apps separately from the OS size. The total space starts at 9.23GB for a 16GB model, even worse it seems.

    Knowing that Android is based on SELinux, you can have full desktop / laptop OS installs under 5GB. So really, what adds up to this 5GB behemoth of compiled libraries and code?

    Anyone?

    1. M Gale

      Re: OS Size

      Because Android is only "based on" Linux. It's about as much Linux as OS X is a BSD or Mach: Its not.

      On top of that Linux kernel is a gigantihuge Dalvik VM. And then you have all the various userspace stuff thrown in on top. Like all the Google apps.

  2. Dave 126 Silver badge

    >The phone ships with a charger that uses USB, which hurts recharge times compared to other chargers but does allow you to simply plug the phone into your computer's USB port and it will simply show itself as a removable drive.

    Er? Most chargers use USB these days... the difference is that some are 800mA, some are up to 2.1A; the one that ships with the LG G2 is not far off the latter. I know that some devices will draw more current if the data pins are shorted, but things have moved on since then.

    > but does allow you to simply plug the phone into your computer's USB port and it will simply show itself as a removable drive.

    That's handy to know for Mac and Linux users. Strange that Nexus device should sport it, since it was Android that removed this feature in the first place. Some Sony phones can also connect as Mass Storage Class (but not mine. Annoying, because Microsoft don't allow you to choose which programs are associated with files on mobile devices, so you're stuck with the godawful Windows photo viewer).

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "but does allow you to simply plug the phone into your computer's USB port and it will simply show itself as a removable drive"

      Don't be fooled, the article is wrong. It shows up optionally as either a PTP (camera) or MTP (media) device, which is a royal PITA for this Linux user. I have to use PTP since the MTP libraries don't feel like working and because it's PTP, it moans about half the files, so I have to rename them to .jpg before copying and rename back on the device.

      I gave up with USB and just transfer over WiFi now, the reason they're killing USB Mass Storage is down to 2 things:

      1. The filesystem type needs to be compatible with the connecting OS - meaning FAT, meaning paying the tax to MS.

      2. Apps on "external" storage (phones like the Nexus, the 32GB is still considered "external" by the OS) cannot be accessed on the phone when the storage is mounted to a PC as USB MSD. This is why keyboards/launchers etc. could never be installed to external storage because they'd be unavailable while the PC is accessing the device.

      It is still a lovely phone though, and coming from a Nexus S, damn is it fast.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        ES File Explorer

        Copy'n'paste over wifi right from your handset!

  3. Steve Evans

    Eight megapixels isn't as good as some of the competition...

    Oh please, the megapixel number is pure willy waving, but with even less to back it up.

    Over a certain threshold (about 5Mpixel in my books), there simply is nothing to be gained by going higher on a phone camera. Lets face it, you're not producing an A0 billboard picture. I'd be amazed if the pictures you take ever get any further than facebook/G+.

    In fact less pixels can be good for low light images. If the sensor is a constant size, the photosites will be bigger. Meaning they will catch more of those elusive low light photons, making them easier to detect without having to resort to amplification and its associated noise.

    To put things into perspective, a 1080 HD TV image is only 2Mpixel - Oh dear, have I just done an "apple retina" job on you? Can you now not see your monitor? Does the entire desktop look like Mine Craft all of a sudden?

    So please, don't judge cameras on megapixel alone, there are so many more things it depends on. If not then I challenge you to produce a better photo with an xyz Zillion pixel phone camera of your choice, and I'll use a far lower pixel count device I have in the draw.

    It's made by Nikon.

    1. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: Eight megapixels isn't as good as some of the competition...

      Relax, most people these days don't take the megapixel count as a measure of quality.

      That said, in conditions of good light (when most cameras take a pretty decent picture) a few more megapixles do allow for a bit more detail; whilst you might not be blowing up the whole image to A3, it is not unreasonable to want to blow up a crop of the original image to A4, for example. This is especially true when a shot can't be composed by using an optical zoom (cos there isn't one), so cropping is your friend.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Slightly better phone?

    You say

    "If you want an unlocked phone that gives you full access and control then the Nexus 5 can't be beaten on price. If, on the other hand, you're buying through a carrier on a subsidized plan then you might be able to get something slightly better for around the same cost."

    What phone would be classed as slightly better?

    1. M Gale

      Re: Slightly better phone?

      One with the same CPU, RAM and flash amounts, but an SD card?

      Of course, "better" is a value judgement, and different people have different values.

  5. phuzz Silver badge

    Screen size

    I can't be the only person wanting a smaller screen can I?

    A smaller screen means a smaller phone, so it would fit in my pocket easier, and drain a little less battery (although a smaller phone would have a smaller battery).

    I don't need more than a 4" screen on my phone personally.

    Oh, and whatever the make, it needs to be supported by Cyanogenmod.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Screen size

      Nope, you're not, I also don't understand why we have such a high DPI on these devices. The Nexus 5 needs to power 1.7 million more pixels than my Nexus S did and for very little gain. That's not even considering the extra GPU/CPU power and subsequent battery drain to render those pixels in games etc.

    2. Tom 7

      Re: Screen size

      Sounds like you want a nexu4 then!

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        Re: Screen size

        Unlike 'Mini' versions of other flagship phones, the Z1 Mini retains most of th features (same processor and camera etc) as it's bigger brother:

        http://www.knowyourmobile.com/sony/sony-xperia-z1-mini/21315/sony-xperia-z1-mini-launching-globally-november-12-sony-xperia-z1s

        EDIT:

        >Oh, and whatever the make, it needs to be supported by Cyanogenmod.

        Sony have been pretty good at providing instructions for unlocking the boot loader of their phones. XDA forums will provide you with more info, I'm sure.

  6. SiempreTuna

    "If you are an existing Android user you'd be happy if Santa dropped one down your chimney"

    I'd be livid: that screen's not replaceable!

    None of the lucky owners have mentioned reception: the service around my way is dire and my Nexus 4 really struggles - as in: rarely gets a signal. The missus' iP5s is way better (it pains me to admit): just wondering if trading up to an N5 would help ..?

    1. GregC

      Re: Signal

      I can't speak for voice (I hardly ever make calls on my "phone" these days) but I'm finding the data signal is significantly improved on the N5 compared to the 4, particularly indoors. On the 4 I used to get abour 4Mbit download at my desk at work, and 7-8 at home in the living room. Both those numbers have more or less doubled since I got the 5.

      Either the phone has a much better radio/aerial arrangement than it's predecessor or 3 have significantly upgraded their masts round my way over the weekend...

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "the Photo Sphere feature, designed to take 360 degree shots, still needs work. As you can see from the test image, the software still has problems and doesn't deal well with details."

    When you go into PhotoSphere mode it does tell you for best results to use open areas and 30ft distance to the surroundings, which is why your photo looks good at distance but goes screwy where the laptop is. It can still be improved massively, even with the 30ft distance, there are still visible stitches, but nowhere near as bad as in your test photo.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Voice search works from 6 feet!!!

    Don't like your work colleagues? ok google search porn.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Do I need gmail?

    Do I need gmail to use the play store and download apps? I junked my gmail long time back for any serious use long time back, because of the New World Order by Google and NSA.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Do I need gmail?

      You need a Google account, which is also a Gmail account, you don't have to use for anything other than dealing with Google/Play store announcements though.

  10. Vociferous

    "eight megapixels isn't as good as some of the competition"

    Megapixels were a selling point early in digital camera history, one'd think that people would have learned by now that once you have more than 5-6 megapixel it's the LENS which is the limiting factor.

    8 megapixels is already way more than any user of a cell phone camera will ever need, because the poor quality of the lens means that most of it is "dead" resolution anyway (so if you really DO print that 20 megapixel image at billboard size, it still wont look sharper than the 5 megapixel shot).

  11. JLV

    Sweet-looking and the price seems right - some questions

    Background: have an iPhone 4 which is getting a bit old. Been thinking of seeing what's on the other side of the fence (almost got a Z10 and may get one yet - they are _cheap_ 2nd hand).

    I buy my phones direct to avoid contracts. Crucially, I don't get a data plan, I figure mooching wifi is good enough where I live. And, on principle, I refuse to pay the data fees Canadian carriers rob us with.

    On the iPhone I eventually found some good offline maps (PocketEarth) and I know how the phone behaves in general w.o. data plans. iPhone w.o. data is a bit in the doldrums, but I know what to expect.

    I don't expect Android to be much worse than iOS without data, but... this is a Google phone. And Google pretty much is the always-connected poster child. Oh, and can I cajole it into playing FLAC sound files natively?

    So... any gotchas about forking out for a Nexus without getting data? Will the phone be easy to live with on Wifi-only? Should I cyanogenmod it instead?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Sweet-looking and the price seems right - some questions

      FLAC? yep.. just dropped a file on and it played no problem, no additional app.

      As for running with no data, you go into settings, battery usage, then turn off mobile data. I've not had problems using my old Android with data turned off, it's something you have to do when abroad, so can't see a problem with it on this. Google may like to slurp up anything it can, but, all the apps have to behave without data, otherwise phones would be constantly crashing when driving through tunnels or when on ships and planes.

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        Re: Sweet-looking and the price seems right - some questions

        The LG G2, upon which this is based, can play 24bit 192Khz FLAC files natively, without down-sampling on the audio path, though only through LG's own app since Android doesn't support very high quality audio nativily (though LG have released APIs in the hope popular 3rd party audio apps will support its lovely hardware).

        I don't know if the Nexus 5 has the same DAC.

  12. LosD

    Errrr... Panorama shots indoors? That's a rather silly idea.

    Panorama works fine, but it's NOT meant for things up close like that. You are supposed to use it for landscape shots.

    If you really want to make panorama shots indoors, you need to turn the camera while keeping it in the same position. The normal tendency is to hold it away from your body and turn yourself, but that wont work very well unless the target is far away.

  13. Prof Denzil Dexter

    you can't cook your dinner on one now

    Having owned the N4 and now the N5, I can now confirm the new model does not kick out enough BTU's to fry an egg on anymore.

    Thats a good thing in my book :D

  14. hemie67

    Google has just sold out its innovation and future way of communicating by eliminating the ability for the NEXUS 5 to utilize Wifi voice over IP calling...I REPEAT THE NEW NEXUX 5 DOES NOT HAVE WIFI ENABLE CALLING FEATURES>>DON"T BUY IT!! It sell out. Eventually, the wole world will adapt Wifi enable cell phone call, which will be cheaper for every end user. Google has just made a big mistake and this will signal their downfall if they don't rectify this at once.

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