Forget phones, PRISM plan shows internet firms give NSA everything It has been a rough 24 hours for the US National Security Agency. First a leaked court order (and the political reaction) showed that the agency routinely harvests US mobile-use data, and now a new document has been uncovered that claims to show the larger internet companies do the same thing. A 41-page presentation, given in …
If you have a government controlled server within the data center itself with unrestricted access, then no, that is not a 'back door' by definition.
Welcome to the Police States of America. They brought over Germans to work on their space program, so by the same logic, they should be snapping up former East German Stasi agents to spy on their own populace.
actually wrote a piece for Forbes I (for once) actually agree with
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/07/nsas-prism-sounds-like-a-darn-good-idea-to-me-this-is-what-governments-are-for/
I probably broke some dumb rule posting it here but well done Tim!
I think I need a beer and a lie down now
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We now know officially and it is admitted by the US government that it spies on data of foreign citizens ... people like many of us here on this forum.
But what is Mr Cameron, or Mr Hollande or Mrs Merkel or Ms Gillard or Mr Harper going to do about this?
I suggest absolutely NOTHING except perhaps queue up to get copies of the data from their US buddies.
The almost total lack of comment from governments is deafening. No words of support for their citizens .. no promises to take the matter up with the US ..nothing!!
The US policy is both understandable and totally unacceptable.
I have been posting, in various places, that Microsoft, Google, etc.. etc.. etc..
Have been doing exactly what is NOW being found to be true.]
Of course, the liberal flunkies, have viciously attacked everything said, and spouted the egregious rotomontade of their handlers, against any such obvious truths. But, according to reports, I was right, bleaters were wrong.
I stated, quite clearly, Google helped the Obama campaign build their database and equipment... and was soundly attacked by the mouths yapping like the bleater crowds as if from Animal Farm. But, according to reports, I was right, bleaters were wrong.
They attack with the word 'NAZI' to castigate people of my beliefs...
Forgetting who and what the NAZIs were (National Socialists)...
But, according to reports, I was right, bleaters were wrong.
Now, they point to any lame excuse...
The US news media that so rabidly defended with lies... everything being done... until they (the media) perceived that they were included in the victims of their saints...
I have seen people that as saying the Constitution should be re-written to suit their needs.
I say, the Constitution should be enforced AS Written...
and all the violators of same, should suffer their consequences of losing the rights they denigrate for their own profit...
It isn't just America. But, the Socialists here have been working for many years to destroy the Constitution...
According to reports, I am right...
The Unions being, the greatest supporters of the socialists, have worked their evils in the schools, devotedly, since the end of WWII.
I have known for years that I have been watched, and told many doubters, that they were also being watched...
Keep in mind... it is not just the internet in the US that they monitor ...
And, the blathering pismires will be bleating again...
But these new reports are backed by something called 'evidence', which constitutes something called 'proof'. Just shouting about the reds under the bed isn't enough. You need to produce the membership rolls of the People's Underbed Constitution Redrafting Soviet or something similar to be taken seriously.
We all know what happens if we go stampeding off after some evil with no proof. We end up invading a country looking for WMDs even though the people sent to look for evidence of same report It Ain't So, and spending ten years building a bigger government at a cost of millions upon millions of dollars we don't have and watching our leaders fiddle while the economy crashes (at which point they have the nerve to look surprised).
But we did get that nice (albeit meaningless) color-coded alert thing that was wheeled out every two weeks or so to keep us aware that the powers that be were doing their job, so I guess we should count it as money well spent.
stevie said: "But these new reports are backed by something called 'evidence', which constitutes something called 'proof'. "
The proof has been out there for years. Obama is known to want to destroy the country. Learned it at his grand-mothers knee, when his mother was frequently out of town... and with the like of Abercrombie helping with mad lib student stuff... (and all the other locos his mom was around. Not to mention his Muslim religion (yes, like His Indonesian citizenship... he never really renounced Islam... )
Most of the rest of the real left, has been out to destroy the US Constition, BUT especially the First 10 Amendments... They hate them.
He is recorded as saying he would destroy the coal industry, is destroying the petroleum business (media is in 20' deep pig sty by never mentioning the fuel prices, as opposed to ever $0.005 it went up under Bush... with hourly reports.
You lived and breathed media reports...
ergo you know naught. It is out there, and has been for 50+ years. You just never wanted to know
The beauty of the American system is the media, and the government give the illusion of choice. Democrat or Republican, it's the same. The PATRIOT act allowed it, and the Dems have taken it and run with it. Protect the second amendment, but throw out fair trial, right to face your accuser, and right to due process.
The assault on the constitution is a bipartisan effort. Yeah, yeah, the Tea Party is the grass roots. The rhetoric is just a smoke screen so you don't notice being bent over and fscked.
Anyway, PRISM is somewhat of a mixed bag. Outrage that information is out in the public can find it's way into data mining shouldn't come as a surprise. The NSA is not supposed to turn it's eyes and ears on its' citizens, but you expect them to monitor international stuff (you expect the FBI to do the domestic stuff).
The internet is mostly a sewer, and the US wants to catalog everybody's shit (unlike the Stasi who just wanted smells). Next time you drop a deuce, don't be a good sheep and just leave a Cleveland Steamer in a nice place where they can pick it out. Make them fish. Make them look at bukkake video as something cleaner than they do. Give them a dirty sanchez trying to pick open your encypted corn-containing brown nuggets of internet musings. Make them add a C to NSA for coprophilia, preferably at the end, then they become N-SACK.
256 bit encryption is meaningless with code breakers, equipment, and back doors 'denied' as existing, that NSA has had for decades
If, you really listened to what is said, they say they don't have them, but, that Previous Administration implemented them, but, we don't use them, but... to protect national security, they are effective, and only means we have, of helping IRS to find TEA Party members, who are Christian Terrorists...
And against the TEA Party, is the only time they will use the word 'terrorist...'
256 bit encryption is meaningless with code breakers, equipment, and back doors 'denied' as existing, that NSA has had for decades
I'm not sure that sounds right. AES and the Rinjdael algorithm have been studied for years. I'm not sure how you could put a backdoor in an encryption standard.
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going to this, explains much of what the 256-bit is about...
http://www.dekart.com/howto/howto_disk_encryption/howto_recover_lost_password/
Understanding that 'they' (your decision as to if they are the good guys or bad persons) have direct access to your system (courtesy of Microsoft, Google, Apple or whoever your ISP is) by various back doors and other activities (like how long you have used it...)
time to break is not in years, but minutes. Once broken, access is possible until changed. Security is enhanced by frequency... as long as they don't access the source during set up.
If you are using some primitive speed hardware such as a six core 5.0
Ghz system... time may not be quick.
Using a 10,000 core, dedicated system, time may not be that long.
Using, instead, some serious hardware, such as might be available to massive server bases...
You are dreaming if you think it is more than minutes. The key is resources, not time.
It's all about maintaining what I call "a useful level of fear".
Consider the analogy of sheep: the sheep have to have a certain level of fear of the sheepdog. If they don't fear the sheepdog, they will ignore it, and the dog won't be able to heard them. On the other hand, if they are too afraid of the sheepdog, they might stomp him into the dirt, or just scatter whenever he shows up. But just the right level of fear, and they will back off from the dog, but not scatter.
Now, on to us. Consider during the 1950's and 1960's: the governments needed just enough fear on the part of the people. Telling them the truth: "If the other side launches you are all dead - some more quickly than others, but the end result is the same - and there's really nothing you the people or we the government can do about it, save try to keep the other side from launching" - that could have caused an unusable level of fear; people could have said "do whatever it takes, and that include total surrender", or it could have burned people out, and they could have said "I don't care, we cannot do anything about it, so why should I allow you to take my rights away from me and make me miserable?" So the governments modulated the people's fear: on the one side, "duck and cover" drills to remind people of the fear and keep it in their minds, but on the other hand fallout shelters and the idea that "duck and cover" will let you survive so people some worry-beads to fondle when the fear gets too bad.
We see the same thing now: "FEEEER! TERRRRORRRRRISSSSSTS! FNORDS! They could be in your neighborhood, so let us monitor all your actions." But at the same time "Don't worry, have your duct tape and your plastic sheeting, surrender your dignity at every turn and you will be safe."
Just modulating the public's fear to a useful level, is all.
1984 has been here for a while now. Too bad the sheeple just sit back and let it happen. Nothing short of the complete removal of every elected government official, the firing of every bureaucrat, the firing of damn near every manager in the military and intelligence offices will give us back our rights and our privacy. A revolution is required but they have effectively removed all possibility of that ever happening.
Time to pack up and leave the USA.
Dear God (afghanistan al-qeda drone osama bin laden terror president NSA)!
All this intelligence gathering (afghanistan al-qeda drone osama bin laden terror president NSA)!
I wonder if the people involved are aware that data and information are two very different things (afghanistan al-qeda drone osama bin laden terror president NSA)?
After all, I'd hate to think that our intelligence forces were using the same data scraping technology that shows me "appropriate" adverts when I pull up Google, Amazon or El reg (afghanistan al-qeda drone osama bin laden terror president NSA).
Because they get it wrong most of the time (afghanistan al-qeda drone osama bin laden terror president NSA).
Data mining is distinguishable from mineral mining in that mineral mining usually returns more than gangue and slag from the digging (afghanistan al-qeda drone osama bin laden terror president NSA).
I return you now to your local programming (afghanistan al-qeda drone osama bin laden terror president NSA).
First, let me point out this "presentation" might be a fake. But the general notion that they "can never collect enough" is exactly the mindset of USG and US officers.
So, what can we do:
1.) Buy cheapphones and prepaid SIM cards. Swap phone with SIM liberally with friends, colleagues and strangers. Have your current phone number in an SSL-protected RPI server for lookup.
2.) Use GNUpg as a matter of general routine. Yeah, freedom takes a bit of effort.
3.) FOSS developers create distribited Seach Engines (similar to YaCY)
4.) FOSS developers create a distribiuted alternative to Facebook.com
5.) Use TOR as a matter of general routine
6.) FOSS developers create a distribuited, encrypted file-sharing system for people and their circle of friends
7.) Use FOSS encrypted chat. DO NOT use the commecialware chat systems.
8.) Run encrypted FOSS messaging tools on your phone, do not use SMS
9.) create paper-based codebooks to be used via SMS and essentially any telecommunications method
10.) Use an RPI as your Personal Cloud Server. Encrypt all services.
11.) Stop being lazy of face the consequences
http://pidgin-encrypt.sourceforge.net/
http://pidgin-encrypt.sourceforge.net/
http://www.gnupg.org/
America is the best example of a so-called "democracy", after 9/11 Homeland Security spent a trillion dollars on the war on terrror (Washington Post), not to search for Osama Bin Laden or the perpetrators, because they knew where they were already, but to spy on their own citizens and take their civil rights away. For the U.S. government Osama Inc. is not the enemy it's own citizens, and that's everywhere in the world, but the USA, land of the "free"? is the most explicit example.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/a-hidden-world-growing-beyond-control/
What to do? A worldwide boycot of those products and services?
War on terror: if terrorism is a form of warfare and war terrorizes then exactly is a war on terror?
Forget democracy, it's corpocracy BlackRock , State Street, Vanguard and Fidelity. and their 143 companies rule the world's corporate world so also your world!
n other words, four companies control what you eat, what you drink, what medications you get, which means of transport you drive, what operating system your computer is running, what kind of computer you have, where war is, where is drilled for oil, how your home furnishings is, what's on TV, which films in the cinema run and how much gasoline costs. As mentioned companies want as much as possible wealth and power they want to monitor and control your behaviour and even thoughts.
Read this Swiss investigating http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf
None, READ the Swiss investigating http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf
as stated they rule the world, not our political leaders, that's just mambojumbo, and that's why they make those ridicilous choices.
Finance minister has meeting every 11 days with Blackrock
http://www.telegraaf.nl/dft/nieuws_dft/article20930674.ece (dutch newspaper)
title newspaper: Minister listens to Blackrock, well that's your upright and unburdened democratically elected politician......
You was one of the thumbs down I assume?
That one was mine too. Simply because you are discussing complex issues in a forceful manner but can't be bothered to use the proper vocabulary or even attempt to spell correctly. Take those things together and 98% of the time it is coming from an a conspiracy fan (or a loon).
I'm entertained by conspiracies, but the matter at hand is not speculative or 'possible if you look at it without rose tinted glasses'. It is real, documented and has its own PowerPoint slideshow. That moves the issue into the realm of manageability: It is a verifiable problem that needs a solution. Nothing can be done about the other things at this time.
English is not my native language that's correct, but that changes nothing on my posts.
A loony bin is a place for people who still believe in the political systems of the world both leftwing or rightwing what you are, you look at it with rose tinted glasses.
Mine is real, documented, where are your documents/links?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB177/info_ops_roadmap.pdf was published bij the USA
minister of Defense in 2003 see also http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-the-internet-needs-to-be-dealt-with-as-if-it-were-an-enemy-weapons-system/7980 where I got it from.
In 2011 http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-facts-about-global-wealth-2011-10?op=1#ixzz1eIDTiPIq (you like slides ;-) )and
http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/18-10-2011/119355-The_Large_Families_that_rule_the_world-0/
lead to the http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf from Cornell University Library that BlackRock , State Street, Vanguard and Fidelity. rule the world.
About 9/11 http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/a-hidden-world-growing-beyond-control/ from Washington Post
So, WHERE are those dreadfull conspiracy websites/sources in here?
Well
Is anyone suprised??? No should be the answer not unless your living in a cave! What I've noticed is that every time more truth comes out concerning the events on the 9/11 attacks we see either a new scandal or another terrorist event.
Case in point: FBI: Knew About Saudi 9/11 Hijacker Ties—But Lied to Protect “National Security”
http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/06/05/fbi-knew-about-saudi-911-hijacker-ties-but-lied-to-protect-national-security/
Perhaps "someone" is trying to put the publics attention elsewhere?
(((3)))
JISM!... which is ironic as that is exactly what the NSA,CIA,FIB (sorry,FBI), GCHQ & Teresa May
is going to find a lot of when they check up on my porn-based browsing habits.
Strange isn't it, that the Americans Call their Secret Service the Secret Service and not the SS?
An abbreviation too far?
Would be interesting to hear why those big players signed up when they did. Money? Political influence? As secretive as PRISM apparently was up until now, legal threats should have been fruitless due to the publicity they could have caused.
So what's the incentive for those companies to give up privacy of their users so willingly?
Will be interesting days ahead, as more details come to light. Sadly, I don't believe that this is only an American problem. I should re-read George Orwell's 1984 again. It seems to be the secret Bible of western politicians.
Publicity could've been covered up with blackmail: something like, "you wouldn't want this dirty little secret to just suddenly turn up at the New York Times" or the like. Credible threat to the firm, plausible deniability to the government because the dirty secret is at least a stage removed from them (if the firm tries to turn on the government, they'll just turn around the claim the firm is a conspiracy theorist nutcase—what proof do they have).
It is illegal to disclose that you are involved with a FISA action. When 'they' present the warrant (which has to be physically delivered) they also present you with a gag order preventing you from talking about any part of the action. So no, legal threats do not generate a public outcry. In FISA no one can hear you scream.
The law also requires 'them' to compensate the service provider for any expenses incurred as part of fulfilling the warrant. Best case is Google et al bill them at regular rates (whatever they may be) but experience in govt contacting tells me that the bill is hugely inflated to deal with the burdensome costs and processing associated with fulfilling govt requirements. Not only has our information been pilfered, we are paying Google & Friends big bucks for the privilege.
Right about a year after Jobs died. I wonder if they took so long because he refused even under all the pressure I'm sure the government put him under, but once he was gone Cook quickly knuckled under like rest of the cowards at all the other tech companies.
Say what you will about Jobs, and you might not agree with his ideas, but it was nearly impossible to get him to change his mind on something if he believed he was right.
We must fight the Net (and all in or on it - Pentagon 2003 pag. 10
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB177/info_ops_roadmap.pdf
Donald Rumsfeld wasn't that the guy who knew for 100% there were WOMD (weapons of mass destruction) in Iraq besides oil-wells?
Whether it's ADVISE Carnivore Frenchelon Ivy bells Onyx (interception system), the Swiss "Echelon" equivalent SIGINT intercept database Surveillance or Stellar wind (code name) or similar it's not a matter of defense (protecting a country and its people) but of offense (protecting a countries goverment and interests against it's own and other countries people), and uses a variant of Netmap a data mining program http://www.netmap.com.au/
I use my own version to gather and categorize my own information and posts since the good old days
of 1989 before Internet when all was (RA) BBS en Fidonet and the like.
So maybe I've watched too much TV, but I assumed this sort of thing was already 'standard' whether we liked it or not. (And how is this really any different to the data harvested by store cards, or the creepy way that google knows what I searched for at home and then displays relevant adverts on the machine I use at work).
But the thing that stood out (if it is true) is the cost - $20m per year. That is peanuts (think 100 good developers and no hardware costs, but I bet the people on this are paid a lot more). Either the budget figure is a huge typo, or the spooks are having to be very precise in their targeting to keep the cost that low. There are terabytes of data created daily by each of the companies mentioned, so there is no way 'they' can gobble more than a fraction on that budget.
Does that make me happy about it? No, but unless/until the budget goes up exponentially, I would prefer to worry about how google et all are using my data.
I thought we already knew about the fed's little port mirroring the whole planet thing. We knew about the Death Star they built and buried out in the Utah desert somewhere-- what did we think they were doing with it, exactly? Studying climate change? Those secret floors they wedged into tall buildings overnight aren't broom closets like it says on the door...
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