Re: iCloud??
Besides, they'll still need "their old PCs" to actually do any real work with the data that's stored on their ridiculously expensive iPad.
Apple confirms 128GB iPad. A hundred bucks for an extra 64GB
Apple has slapped an extra 64GB - and a $100 price increase - on its fondleslab range to create the 128GB iPad. An announcement today from Cupertino confirms the device's existence after references to the hardware were found in the newly released iOS 6.1. The new iPad will be available from US Apple stores, the company's …
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 18:41 GMT Dana W
You all keep forgetting.
Its not a computer replacement for US, its a computer replacement for the unwashed masses, people who want e-mail, Facebook, Netflix and web browsing and that's about it.
I've said it again and again and again, if you read this site you are NOT the market! If you can cobble your own box together you are NOT the market. If you are comfortable installing your own OS or multi-booting you are NOT the market.
I have an iPad Mini, and I like it a great deal, "mind you I didn't actually PAY for it" but its not going to replace my computers. Its just nice to run my smartphone apps without squinting through bifocals. Its what my Nintendo was 10 years ago.
On the other hand I help a lot of older and disabled people with their computers and for 99% of them an iPad is all they need. Again, for seven out of ten of the home users I have to support, an iPad is all the "computer" they need, and pretty much all they can understand.
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 18:46 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: You all keep forgetting.
I don't care if an Apple product costs £100 more - it's worth it for the better support, better apps, lasts longer (my iPhone 3GS is going strong and still supported after getting on for 4 years). I know people with Android tablets and mostly they get used now and then - most people I know with iPads use them much more and for much more.
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 23:20 GMT Mark .
Re: You all keep forgetting.
Ah, anecdotes. Most people I know with ipads bought them because they didn't know of any alternatives, and then hardly use them as they realise they don't have much use for them.
I get plenty of support on my Android and other devices, as well as long support. And anyhow, if you're willing to pay more, it's better to simply upgrade more often anyway, then you get newer hardware. Better apps? Hardly - and not that any OS designed for a phone has software comparable to real computers. I already have an ipad beating tablet, it's the Nexus phone that fits in my pocket.
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 19:14 GMT Anonymous Coward
The biggest problem with the iPad...
...is that it's designed to be used as a computer peripheral, rather than a replacement for a laptop.
My mother-in-law (not unwashed, but definitely computer illiterate) bought a shiny new iPad to use for web browsing, email, photo editing, and listening to audiobooks. After two months of frustration at the fact that so many basic tasks (e.g. uploading and retrieving media files and audiobooks to/from the household server) could only be done through an intermediate computer (which she hasn't got) running iTunes, she gave the iPad to one of the grandkids and bought a Nexus 10.
iOS != OSX.
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Wednesday 30th January 2013 07:40 GMT Gary 24
Re: The biggest problem with the iPad...
So a computer illiterate mother in law uses a Server to manually mount shares and browse for files? I call out lies, plus if you had a half decent server you can run iTunes on it, or if it's a Synology NAS they do streaming.... or, you know, use apps like VLC ...
So much hate for Apple from people who think it's cool... enjoy your Android with its laggy UI and spyware in built.
I miss Maemo a proper Linux Smartphone OS.
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 23:17 GMT Mark .
Re: You all keep forgetting.
But people are responding to the bit: "Apple marketing veep Phil Schiller suggested iPad owners could use the extra space on their tablets to store all their work and media without needing "their old PCs”"
The points people have made are talking about work and media, not cobbling together your own OS, or multi-booting.
"Again, for seven out of ten of the home users I have to support, an iPad is all the "computer" they need, and pretty much all they can understand."
It's a myth that ipads, or tablets in general, are easier. Yes, you don't have to learn the touchpad, but the UIs are no easier, plus you have the complexity of multitouch and gestures. Most the people buying tablets seem to be computer-savvy people who already have computers, not computer inexperienced elderly who if anything are put off buy touchscreens, and prefer physical buttons to press, in my experience. And an ipad is just an overpriced Nexus anyway.
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 18:44 GMT Anonymous Coward
Normal people want or buy Apple. Geeks who want to be different and cheapskates buy Android but wish (later) they had bought Apple. I see plenty of people coming into the light (Apple) from Android / RIM / other tablets as they simply wanted it to do more and didn't feel the need to re-rom it or have it be end-of-lifed / insecure either out of the box or after 6-12 months.
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 19:09 GMT Anonymous Coward
You are kidding right? cheapskates? really?
No - we are not cheapskates, we are just sensible and buy a product that can do so much more that Apples offerings at a way cheaper price. Take for instance my Android powered Samsung S3 (not a tablet I grant you but the same principles apply) I needed a bigger battery so guess what ? I bought one and installed it. I needed more space for my music so guess what? I bought a micro sd and installed it. See a pattern here?
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 20:21 GMT Anonymous Coward
"Normal people"?
Well, my household is full of "normal people" who like OSX and Apple's build quality, so we have plenty of old and new Macs around. But tablets are a different thing altogether. The iPad is rather unsuitable as a computer replacement, unless your use model is primarily consuming content purchased from iTunes. The Nexus 10 is a step up from the iPad Retina in all respects (including screen resolution), yet is much more capable as a computer replacement, rather than a peripheral.
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Wednesday 30th January 2013 19:40 GMT Lusty
Re: "Normal people"?
"The iPad is rather unsuitable as a computer replacement"
Which is because Apple didn't design it to replace your computer.
"unless your use model is primarily consuming content purchased from iTunes"
If that's all you managed to do with the iPad then you weren't thinking very hard or perhaps just don't have any needs that it serves. Try getting:
SimpleMind+ to help with outlining large documents or planning software development
Keynote to deliver presentations at work using a projector
Penultimate for whiteboarding using that same projector, then email the pdf of the whiteboard to the whole room of people before they leave.
GoodReader so your secretary can sync a folder of important documents for you to read on the train (lawyers and execs LOVE this)
BigHand TotalSpeech so you can dictate documents for your secretary to type and print while you're on the train, ready for you to sign when you get back to the office. In yesteryear, tape dictation required getting back before the typing started.
WikiTouch to write hyperlinked documentation and sync it to the web for your whole team and/or customers to read.
Twitter so that you can update company feeds from anywhere
LinkedIn so that HR can browse for candidates
Conference Apps so that you can take part in polls, get your schedule, see info on other attendees and exibitors
Thetrainline so you can book and pay for tickets while the other people wait in line
Citrix receiver so I can access that hopeless fat app that my company insists I need and that "cannot" have a web interface
Yes, I could do all this on an Ultrabook, but I couldn't guarantee that my battery would last over a day with confidence that it won't fail at 4pm. I also couldn't use it comfortably on the tube, train or airplane seats. At least not the ones I can pay for on expenses. I'd also have a bad back, just like I used to have from carting a laptop, laptop bag, charger, notepad and any other crap that landed in my work bag around London on one shoulder day in, day out...my back is fine now, thanks for asking :)
Yes, I also consume content like music, video and magazines (with Zinio) which are handy while I'm at the airport or in a hotel for work. It means I can still catch my regular TV shows and receive my magazine subscription despite being out of the country.
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 21:32 GMT JEDIDIAH
The mystique is gone already...
The mystique is gone already. As soon as Apple got into heavily subsidized consumer devices, the Apple mystique was doomed. When you have heavily subsidized phones, you just can't keep the secret. Apple devices are nothing special and if anything they are crippled and limited. Apple confuses usability with gutting features and flexibility.
Unfortunately, that doesn't work even with non-geeks. Not everyone is as stupid as your blatantly anti-intellectual attitude implies. Many people are quite able to fend for themselves and are demanding technology users. It's not 1976 anymore. You don't have to be an electronics technician to be a power user.
Attempting to redefine the term "geek" won't alter your fortunes.
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 21:34 GMT MrXavia
You must be mad...
My non-geek friends ask me for advice, and take it... I ask what they use it for, and then recommend a device based on that... so far no one has asked for something that an android device can't do better than android...
Also my android tablet can do way more than my ipad can... so much so that after a week of usage the ipad became a kids toy... but the android tablet is a useful device (galaxy note 10.1), with tehe android tablet i can copy media to/from my NAS, I can use it to edit photos (real photoshop & pixel accurate pen), keep full backups, copy to/from my microsd's etc etc... stuff I can't do on the ipad....
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 18:56 GMT Naughtyhorse
3D design tools, CAD
so thios piece of overrated iCrap will replace my i7 lappie, with 16gig of ram, 750gb hdd, 2gb dedicated grafix, dvd writer, 4 count them 4 usb ports, firewire and 2 22" monitors......
Hey guys the reality distortion field is back and stronger than ever.
get back under your rock! iTwats
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 20:13 GMT Dan Paul
Re: 3D design tools, CAD
Or perhaps my homebuilt PC that is an Intel i5 Quad Core 3.4 Ghz (overclocks nicely to 4.2), 32 Gig Ram, 2 Gig Radeon 7870, 128 Gig SSD, combo Blu Ray & DVD/CD Writer and Leftover 2nd DVD/CD Writer and 1 Tb WD 7200 RPM drive on an ASUS Z77-V Mobo (more USB ports than common sense) that I put together for $1,200 USD (and is worth over $3,000 retail by comparison).
That baby gets a 7.8 out of 7.9 max "Windows Experience" score with every feature in Win 7 Pro turned on. Boot time is crazy fast without any tinkering, word, excel etc opens in less time than I take to sneeze. I'm waiting for a particular game to come out before I comment on the graphics. Browsing the web just snaps open pages.
Meanwhile, I gave my girlfriend a brand new SOTA Ipad for Xmas (just to stop the WHINING) and while testing it out it just seemed to run like an old dog. The $401 difference between the two not withstanding, one will be good for real work and the other is only for play.
Guess which one?
That's why desktop computing is not and will not be over. The last pc I built 9 years ago ran everything I could throw at it until it inexplicably died in December. Infinite expandability, universal capability, easily serviced, readily available software, relatively simple interface, what's not to like about a PC?
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 19:00 GMT zanshin
I agree it's not a PC replacement for most of us, but that's what makes the comment about using it for something like CAD work pretty laughable.
Current touch interfaces would be a truly horrific way to try and do serious 3D CAD work. A workstation class PC is also likely to completely blow away any tablet on the market (iDevice or not) on raw grunt power used for a lot of things like 3D rendering or even video encoding.
Maybe someday, but right now the suggestion that we use a tablet for anything other than social and multimedia consumption seems pretty silly. I don't even particularly like using them for office productivity stuff like spreadsheets, but that's down to either having to use touch or at least lacking a mouse, rather than tablets lacking the power for most of that.
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 19:32 GMT Bad Beaver
$1000 buy a lot of interesting things
Yet to me, an iPad is not one of them. Admittedly, I had a glimmer of hope the company would hand them out for XMAS as little productivity gifts. I guess they know just as well as I do that they are not really that productive.
Anyway, the iPad mini, with added handwriting recognition (3rd party of course, why the hell can't Apple integrate their own one?)… now that could finally do some of the things my Newton used to be good at … in 1998. Apple, always ahead of itself. Sigh. The Newton MP2100 features: 2 cardslots for up to 64MB (sic! A bitchin' lot and nigh impossible to use up back then) of memory or numerous expansions (WiFi, Ethernet, Bluetooth, GSM, Faxmodem… ), a serial port and, lo and behold, a user replaceable NiHM-pack or optional AA-Battery operation. Which is why a Newton from 98 still works fine these days and will continue to do so for a good while, even if you threw it down a number of stairwells which it likely survived with hardly a scratch. Now that's a proper piece of computing equipment in my book.
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 19:49 GMT Jolyon Smith
"the extra storage is ideal for customers who use 3D design tools, CAD and other such packages"
Unlike the device into which the extra storage is being fitted.
Move along please, nothing to see here (except perhaps more mobile HD porn - the REAL reason that such devices are called "fondleslabs").
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Tuesday 29th January 2013 22:37 GMT Anonymous Coward
Braindead idiots trying to store their digital world on their device.
Next year they will be buying a 256GB ipad with enough space, the year after a remortgage and a 512GB model.
Where does it end?
In the sane world, 32GB is more than enough for anyone. I have my entire music collection stored in the cloud (Google Music), and only pin a sub-selection of playlists and favorite albums on my device for offline listening, I can stream anything 99% of the time.
In the cloud powered world, there is no need to store everything on the device (but seeing how rubbish iCloud is, I can sorta understand it).
Anyway, my Nexus7 has a USB port, so it's all moot really..... Let the idiots burn cash.
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Wednesday 30th January 2013 00:04 GMT Dana W
Re: Braindead idiots trying to store their digital world on their device.
Must be nice to afford a bottomless mobile data contract and use it constantly. 32 gig is nothing. My 160 iPod is still in constant use.
I deal with media in half terabyte blocks. This is NOT practical or sane for cloud storage. Like I'm going to be waiting for 60 gig of music to move up and down an internet connection. "and I'm not even mentioning video"
ONE of my Macs has four terabytes, how the hell is CLOUD going to replace that?
A lot of us no matter the OS war want NOTHING to do with cloud storage of our media. My Media is NOBODY'S business. And a lot of my music and video is from MY source material. Wait till the media companies start grabbing on to cloud storage and demanding receipts to see what music you are "authorized" for. That's what the cloud is really for, making sure your media is where it can be seen, controlled and most of all marketed.
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Wednesday 30th January 2013 20:39 GMT Jolyon Smith
Re: Braindead idiots trying to store their digital world on their device.
So living in a country where 3G coverage is less than 100%, most especially in the areas where you are most likely to go on vacation makes me a "Brainded Idiot" ?
"The cloud" is great for backup, but it's lousy as portable storage. I once thought the same as you... who needs a player with lots of storage - just sync the stuff I want to listen to at any given time and leave the rest on the PC (these days: in the cloud). But that really doesn't work. You (or at least I) can never predict what I'm going to be in the mood to listen to at any/all times. Or maybe you don't have as broad/eclectic tastes as some.
Hmmmm, how about that... could it be that, possibly, your individual experience/preference is NOT universally relevant to all of mankind who are thus "braindead idiots" simply for having different needs or preferences ... ?
I know, it's a wild possibility, but it just might be true.
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Wednesday 30th January 2013 08:52 GMT Mark Gilbert
It is amusing how quickly the negative comments roll in as soon as Apple announce a new model of anything.
To agree with previous posters, if you read this site you are most likely not the target market for this device. So read The Reg review, enjoy the over excited hate filled comments, then for a more objective view, read AnandTech's review http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review
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Wednesday 30th January 2013 12:25 GMT Chris D Rogers
Taking the iPiss!
Apple's iToy's have been crippled on the storage-side for at least two years and given the fact that flash memory prices have reduced drastically since the launch of the groundbreaking iPod Touch one would have though Apple could actually install 128G of flash storage for the present cost of the 64G iPad - to say they are gouging consumers is an understatement, they are taking the piss out of the Apple idiots - next tablet I buy will be a Asus with hopefully 128G of storage and microUSB external storage capabilities.
Apple, you are having a laugh - hope your stock price collapses you greedy feckers.
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