Apple has now claimed Samsung's flagship gadgets the Galaxy S III and the Galaxy Note infringe its mobile phone patents in a SECOND lawsuit in the US. In separate legal action running in parallel to the epic trial that concluded last month, the iPhone maker has now listed 21 Sammy phones and tablets as devices that allegedly …
Appe* -who ever he is- might be scared but I don't think Apple are
Sure Apple are pissed off with all the counterfeit devices from Samsung and the like. But scared, I don't think so.
For a start no enterprise is going to use Android as its essentially a user profiling tool to feed Google's ad business. Remember, if somethings being given away free -IE. Android- You are not the customer. You are the product being sold.
On top of that, Android's un-curated app store allows all manor of key logging and location tracking horrors to be installed. The risk of confidential data leaks on the platform are just too high.
From a consumer perspective Samsung and Android in general are seen as copycats and imitators who lack in innovation. This is not a good position to be in as SamDroid can only follow Apple, they can never lead and will always be considered passé.
What would scare Apple is if this changed and Samsung/Google started actually innovating and developing there own unique take on the mobile UI instead of aping iOS. Samsung losing the court case last week is probably the best thing that happen to them, they just don't realise this yet.
*I wish the reg let you correct your own comments, I make cock-ups like this all the time.
Re: Appe* -who ever he is- might be scared but I don't think Apple are
Oh do take off the rose tinted specs.
Innovation has always relied on taking an existing idea and improving it. Vague patents are just a stupid recent idea permitted by a government which is bankrolled and pushed along by big business.
The only reason consumer might thing Samsung are copy cats is because of the almighty fuss and tantrum Apple has been kicking up. To be honest most don't give a sh*t.
If you really want to talk about mobile innovation you need to talk about Motorola (who invented it) and Nokia who then picked up the idea and ran with it. All their patents, which have real innovative technical content, are covered by FRAND, so they have to be licensed at a reasonable rate because you can't make a mobile phone without them.
Apple come along and patent rounded corners and menus that "bounce" when you hit the end... Hardly ground breaking stuff. All Apple did was make is a tarty UI that looked pretty. Underneath all that there is nothing special. Hell, the Iphone1 could barely call itself a GSM phone because its implementation of the standards was so lax (group messages and MMS for example).
As for "profiling" by google, at least Android pops up a box warning you, and asks if you want to share data with google, which you can decline... Haven't seen much of that from Apple, and given the closed nature of the Apple world, you'll be hard pushed to inspect the source to find out what is actually going on.
Android is open, you can inspect it, and if you don't like it, you can change it!
If you want security from 3rd party apps, remove the play store from the phone. Easy. This is exactly what Amazon did, and replaced it with their own instead.
From now on, I'll avoid Apple on principle.
I have an iPhone 4, iPad 1st gen, Macbook pro and a Samsung Galaxy Note (which is my main cellphone).
I like Apple devices a lot, but this is making me want to avoid future purchases of Apple purely on principle, as I feel their crusade to kill any competition with vague patents will damage the whole tech market and stifle future innovation/competition for consumers.
Not cool Apple. Not cool.
Re: From now on, I'll avoid Apple on principle.
That's cutting off your nose to spite your face - the jury found Samsung to be wrong - but maybe you were listening to the evidence so know better?
Re: From now on, I'll avoid Apple on principle.
It's only cutting off your nose to spite..... if you end up with settling for an inferior product.
From what I've seen of the G3 (and Jelly Bean on a similarly well spec'ed device like my Nexus 7) it is not inferior by any means.
So how is the SIII infringing apples patents?
I used to have some respect for apple but the more I read and hear about them the more I hate them. I even once thought about buying a mac book pro. there are even making Microsoft look good and that’s hard.
It's the things like slide to unlock and pinch to zoom, people see those features and quite rightly mistake the phone for an iPhone.
... but aren't these Android issues and therefore not just Samsung?
That was meant in a sarcastic way.
Sorry for modding you down - I think Poe's Law applies here, it's impossible to tell parody from actual arguments that Apple fanatics make :)
You know you can change your mod, right? You just need to mod him up and your vote will be counted as a up instead of a down...
I have marked him up to restore balance to the force.
iPhone 5 will be great
iPhone 5 will be soo good and better than Samsung's offerings, that's why Apple don't have to sue them.
Re: iPhone 5 will be great
So presumably they know it will be poop which is why they are suing
Even if I was in the market for a phone at the moment and Samsung phones were unavailabe to to being banned I would just gravitate towards HTC or other high end Android devices.
It becomes a joke when Apple need to ban competition, banning something that apparently looks the same doesn't mean i'm going to default to an iPhone. Christ, they are completely different operating systems...im beginning to lose faith in humanity here.
You had faith in humanity? Really!?
Want to win worldwide support for your holy cause?
Would some kind-hearted terrorist please do the world a real favour and just let one of Russia's missing nukes off in Cupertino already?
If you have something along the lines of the Tsar Bomba that'd be fantastic, ta. Failing that, one of North Korea's spare dirty bombs should do the trick nicely. Pull that one off and I'll kneel at the feet of Kim Jong-Il's statue my bloody self!
Re: Hey terrorists!
Nuke it yourself. Tsar seems a bit collateral-damagey.
Whenever life gets you down, Mrs Brown, and things seem hard and tough...
And people are stupid, obnoxious, or daft
And you feel that you've had quite enough....
Just remember that you're not standing in the USofApple
This is what we can call
A rotten Apple.
Quoting from Groklaw:
[quote] “Slide to Unlock,” “Text Correction,” “Unified Search,” and “Special Text Detection.” In other words, four toxic software patents. Yes, Apple claims to own that functionality as its very own, because it's such a great innovator. Who else could think up text correction? [/quote]
I guess it's time the US courts of justice should tell Apple to shove off. Oh, and patent trolls and lawyers should be worried by Apple spoiling the game for the rest of them because somebody will soon start noticing this nonsense.
Re: This is what we can call
You're kidding me right? That type of IP was knocking about and being freely used on most handsets some 3 or 4 years before the original iPhone hit the shelves, where do these chumps get off?
Re: This is what we can call
mmm text correction, never had that in 1999 on my old Sony phone... or did I?
Unified search - never seen that - oh, sorry, no, I think I seem to have vague recollections of doing that on my PC when I first started.
Special text detection? I think that was the habit of the old Philips pagers....
Slide to unlock, well I suppose that transferring the physical slider button to a virtual slider button on the screen might be unique and patentable, but then as people had various virtual buttons for all sorts of things I find it a tad difficult to believe that this was unique, and certainly a lot harder to believe it is in someway non-obvious. But then again I suppose I'm not a Californian being told my taxes and unemployment will shoot up if my fellow Californian company doesn't win its case.
Is it just me or does this whole Apple asking for competitor devices removed from the shelf seem so boring.
Makes that iPhone 5 look unattractive now.
Love my Samsung Nexus though, always use it over my Work provided iPhone 4.
I have a Note.
And I love it. Even my technophobe mother can tell the difference between a Note and an iPhone. I was considering an iPhone for her mainly due to ease of use.
Not any more.
Re: I have a Note.
I have to agree that the iPhone interface is nice. The new ICS and JB are nice too.
Re: I have a Note.
"I have to agree that the iPhone interface is nice".....lovely to see 80's wall paper designs all over again.
I love my iPad, it's a great device and works well, but fuck me vigorously without buying me dinner, I feel a little ashamed for owning it now, given that it's funding this sort of thing. My only consolation is that the the bigger they are, the harder they fall- Microsoft used to be able to get away with this sort of thing too, but it's a bit of a comedy also-ran these days.
(On the other hand, I find I almost flourish when fishing my S3 out of my pocket to take a call now...)
Is it just me...or do other people think the S3 looks absolutely nothing like an iPhone....
It's about twice as big for starters!
no just you...
Very cynical / clever or Apple to not include it in the recent case. If they had, all th epublicity would have centered on them attempting to ban the S3, and every photo attached to all the press stories would have the two of them side by side, and everyone would have said "They look nothing like each other".
How they can then attempt to get it banned now, is beyond me.
"Is it just me..."
Nope, I just went and compared my S3 (large, thin) to a colleague's iPhone 4s, which is stubby and looks entirely different. You'd have to be a little... special to confuse them.
Re: "Is it just me..."
Perhaps it's because the ithing5 will look like an S3 that they're laying the groundwork to try banning the S3.
Interesting that they want to 'deal' with Google, though. Is that because they want to go to court saying 'Awww but we TRIED to talk to Google but they wouldn't accept our offer of 'fuck all' for the patents'. Or, they can see they'll take a massive kicking in court cos someone finally has them bang to rights for blatant and willful abuse of Moto's IP.
Re: "Is it just me..."
Indeed. OTOH these days I find myself confusing small Apple phones for those old 2005-era feature phones - as well as the similar size, they both had the same grid of icons...
Apple are running scared and being bully boys. Considreing their past history for stealing idea's I find this all very very very... silly.
Xerox should sue apple
And y not lol
banning Samsung in us
OK so clearly apple is targeting every top selling Samsung phone on there market galaxy s1 s2 s3 nexus er tablets etc. and all cause apple has lost market share in the EU how pathetic is that just cause apple couldn't stop them in EU. I think what apple is wanting to do is ban all top selling phones in the USA so Americans have apple only products. and how dare apple say that the s3 infringes its patents it doesn't even look like a iPhone for gods sakes even I can tell the difference between an apple and a Samsung and I know which one id choose and it wouldn't be a apple. never liked apples from the start and all the problems people have with them its no surprising I don't think I have any apple products my mother has a nano but she never uses it the reason why is cause she wanted a mp3 type player that she could put all her songs on and play in the car guess what apples nano you couldn't do that and the simple reason is that don't work in the car unless you buy a special adapter how pathetic. stuff apple and there patents least my mothers Sony mp3 player works in the car eh.
Re: banning Samsung in us
Good grief. Please stop posting your "thoughts", you're giving folks headaches.
("..this one time at band camp...")
Re: banning Samsung in us
And that post, ladies and gentlemen, is why we can thank whatever deities we do or do not believe in, that we are not telepaths.
This is bullshit
Can't google get the iPhone 5 banned already - has anyone seen the "new" shiny features in it - they're ALL derivatives from android!
Shirley this is what the competition commission should be involved in - protectionism, raceteering, stopping any levels of competition.
I used to own an iPod/ iMac/ G4 Cube/iPhone - apple used to be the quirky underdog. They're just vermin now. Even microsoft weren't this bad!
Re: This is bullshit
No, they used to manage to market themselves as 'the quirky underdog' to suckers like you who fell for that shit the first time around...
Memo from the desk Tim Cook
Patent No. 87e7387827 - Creation of everything
1. Create light
2. Create Sky
3. Create Earth
4. Create moon, sun and stars
5. Fill seas with fish
6. Populate land
Get this down the Patent office and then sue everybody and everything for daring to exist in the Apple Universe
Re: Memo from the desk Tim Cook
That made me think of this quote from guess who:
"...when the Editors of the Guide were sued by the families of those who had died as a result of taking the entry on the planet Tralal literally (it said "Ravenous Bugblatter Beasts often make a very good meal for visiting tourists: instead of "Ravenous Bugblatter Beasts often make a very good meal of visiting tourists"), they claimed that the first version of the sentence was the more aesthetically pleasing, summoned a qualified poet to testify under oath that beauty was truth, truth beauty and hoped thereby to prove that the guilty party in this case was Life itself for failing to be either beautiful or true. The judges concurred, and in a moving speech held that Life itself was in contempt of court, and duly confiscated it from all those there present before going off to enjoy a pleasant evening's ultragolf.”
Apple are pathetic. This lawsuit actually just goes to show that they can't *innovate* (I'm really starting to hate that word now) and they know they can't.
They have had two mildly original products in the past 5 or 6 years. Original iPhone and the original iPad. In fact the iPad doesn't really have many original features, it's only by the brute strength of Apple's advertising arm, plus media salivating that got them shipped. First time my boss came into the office with the iPad, lovely leather cover, wrapped under her arm, everybody swooned. Three hours later, "Uh, so what are you going to use it for?"
"You can send me messages when I'm out of the office, and I can read presentation slides."
Waste of money (of course same can be said for most tablets, but at least Samsung and others are trying to find some use, with devices like the Galaxy Note).
Hopefully the iPhone 5 will be crushed by the weight of consumer disappointment when people realize it has the same functionality as most Android phones had about a year ago. And hopefully Samsung will sue them to hell for infringing 3G/4G networking patents. An eye for an eye.
Yeah that made me sound like a grumpy, bitter, twisted individual, but Apple are really starting to take the piss now. The days of Microsoft's tyrannical hegemony seem almost like a golden age. Can't Apple just go back to their place as a designer for
(a) people with more money than sense
(b) people who think logos are important
Same thing happened with 2G FRAND patents, Apple refused to pay the FRAND fee *every* other mobile company in the world was paying and claimed they should get a special discount - no reason, just that's what they thought they should get.
That's what happens when you're the last technology company in the world to start making phones - everyone else has masses of IP that is essential to phones and lots involved in FRANDS that the old players don't really pay that much to each other - the FRAND licences all balance out. Apple clearly didn't like the idea of paying out money and threw a strop for a number of years before finally paying up.
Since 3G and 4G are in the same boat, pretty much the same is going to happen.
I agree entirely. It's also interesting to note how the vast amount of media Ipad hype started *before* it was even *announced* (remember the iStale, sorry iSlate?), let along after it was shipped. So this wasn't about the media reacting to a product, it was giving Apple massive free advertising and support from the outset. It's sad that even 2.5 years on, other tablets have been virtually ignored, with the exception of the recent Nexus 7 (and even then, every media coverage of that had to have the obligatory Ipad mention).
Another factor is shops - I note that loads of shops round here have Ipads, it's rare to see any other kind of tablets. People don't go into the shop and choose Apple over a range of tablets. They hear about "Ipads", go into the shop to get "an Ipad", and don't see or hear about anything else.
The media tried to do the same thing with the original Iphone, which for 5 and a half years since its announcement has got constant media hype - thankfully I think the fact that phones/smartphones were already well established, as well as with established distribution through the networks, meant Apple had less of an unfair advantage, and they failed in their attempt to outdo the leading companies like Nokia and Samsung (who are still the top two), or the leading platforms (which was Symbian until 2011, then Android). Though sadly, the media seem to have convinced many people that Apple lead, anyway.
One part of Apple's thinking, I believe, is that they can't in the long run compete against Android, and will be pushed into the niche market from whence they came. My thinking is, although the Apple App Store (TM, all rights reserved, ©) and the Google Play store have a comparable number of apps (and yes, in general the App Store has better quality apps), the force of so many manufacturers making Android devices, now phones and tablets, but eventually toasters, lawnmowers and coffee mugs, Apple cannot compete.
They bring out a new product once every couple of years or so (I mean a really new product, not just a laptop with thinner screen and extra RAM). With a plethora of Android manufacturers which will be putting Android in all kinds of things in the coming years, Apple will need a great strategy to hold on to their crown (arguably already slipping away to Samsung in some markets.)
And it seems the strategic thinking is sue, sue, sue! But it can only work for so long. Samsung aren't going to disappear. These lawsuits are going to drag on. And manufacturers need some OS to work with. It's either Android, or WinPhone. And with Android being shoved into more and more whacky devices (the usefulness of doing this aside), is the media going to really care in 2015 Apple unveils the iPhone 7, with sleeker corners and new connectors, when Android will be stuffed into microsatellites and blasted into orbit, for example.
Afterall Apple is only one company and the only company selling iOS products. Being perfectionists has its drawbacks because in the long run you fall behind. Like the kid in school who wrote perfect joined up writing, but was slow as hell and was still finishing his weekend report when everyone else was on the playground. Yeah, you get some really crappy Android hardware, and software, but in the long run the momentum of development pushes the bar higher.
As a side note: I am not a fandroid. Just wanted to clear that up. I think iOS is a great platform, iPhone 4S is a decent phone, Objective-C is a mess, but two out of three isn't bad.
I agree, but just to nitpick, which crown is it that Apple currently has? I believe latest market share figures are Android approaching 70% and increasing, Iphone around 16% and falling. Similarly:
"arguably already slipping away to Samsung in some markets"
Samsung alone now at around 2x Iphone sales, just on their smartphones. In fact, it's now at the stage where even one single model (the S3) is outselling the one single model of Iphone (where Apple only have one single model per generation, unlike Samsung, or the hundreds of Android devices) in some markets.
So yes, you're not only right with your prediction of Android dominance, but we're already long here. :) (And before that, it was Nokia/Symbian, not Apple...)
Next up - English speakers!
I wonder will Apple now go after fruit growers, marketers and supermarkets for their continuous abuse of this noble computer company's totally original name.
Then maybe go after the world's English-speaking population for using the word in reference to that common tasty fruit that grows on trees.
Re: Next up - English speakers!
Close but no cigar
"Rather than innovate and develop its own technology and a unique Samsung style for its smart phone and tablet computer products"
Like Apple Invented (or claimes to)
Li-On battery Technology
Video Conferencing on Mobiles
Internet Browsing on Mobiles
Listening to Music on Mobiles
No one EVER did any of that before Apple said they did. The companies that Apple is picking on are generally innovators and have given us some major new technology. Apple have just subtley copied and reengineered existing technologies and then patented them, actual innovation there stopped years ago when they decided it was just easier to ride the PC wave than innovate. Lets not forget that the whole business is built on what came out of PARC and even then there were beaten to the market.
Apple make things pretty, thats about it. Samsung could have tried harder but Apple are aiming for 'if its a smartphone its our patent' which I think is unfair. You shouldnt be able to file patents as a weapon even ignoring software, process, biological and look and feel.