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US consumer organization Consumer Reports has backed punters’ assertions that the new iPad can overheat in normal use. Owners of the fondleslab have been complaining on various Apple forums (this discussion, for example, runs to 21 pages) that the device can become “burning hot” under various conditions. As one user wrote: “ …

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Cremation

If it's good enough for Steve Jobs, it's good enough for you!

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46.7 degrees C

It's warm but I wouldn't say it's baking, how long are these people fondling their slabs?

If it's sat on their laps I'd be more concerned about curvature of the spine.

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Brightness

According to various forum postings and news reports, quite a few users need to have the iPad's brightness to 100% to cause these type of temperatures. For example:

"Marlyse Comte, a Web developer and designer, has owned all three generations of iPads. When the latest version arrived in the mail, she said she noticed that it got “really, really warm on the sides and on the glass surface."

“When I say it was really hot it wasn’t comparable to a laptop, but hot compared to any other iPad, where I never felt anything,” said Comte, 53. “My first thought was maybe by mistake I bought a lemon.”

Comte began searching online for a solution and came across an Apple message board where many people had posted similar overheating problems. The Kansas City, Mo., resident turned the iPad’s screen from 100% brightness to 85% and said “the problem vanished.”

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tin-consumer-reports-ipad-20120320,0,638136.story?track=rss"

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If you burn your hand with it, you're just holding it wrong.

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who will be the first with the egg cooking app

Can see it now.

Just 59p to download, you get a nice pic of a frying pan on the screen and all you do is crack an egg and away you go

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Re: who will be the first with the egg cooking app

Eggs yolks only gelatinises at 65C, colder than that and it's pretty much raw and liquid. Plus they only firm up at 80C (176 F).

Translation: You need a lot more heat.

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Re: who will be the first with the egg cooking app

65C will be no issue in hot Texas.... or India

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The heat issue is a real thing with this 'The New iPad' iPad 3. Luckily, I guess, I've always run screen brightness at 50% with the auto brightness thing on, even with my original ipad, so I'd not noticed the warmth thing, but when I read about it I switched brightness to 100% and played a 3D game and yea' that bugger runs hot after about 15 minutes.

Returned to 50% and auto on and it cooled right down, but... long term effects? if it burns out after 15 months (or 3 months out of warranty), who's out of pocket - fine in America (class action suit) or Italy (2 years warranty), but us in the UK (don't know about Australian Warranties), shit out of luck.

So really, we need to know within the 14 days grace period - how much damage is that heat wreaking over time? whether to exchange it for an iPad2.

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Electronics won't get damaged at these temperatures. Laptops run at much higher temperatures (60-100C) for far longer, with no ill effects.

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> Electronics won't get damaged at these temperature

I doubt the battery will enjoy it much, though.

Is Apple setting itself up for a load of warranty-replacements in a year or so?

Vic.

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@Vic

Laptops also have batteries, do they fail that much given the much higher temperatures inside them?

The battery of the iPad sits to the side of the circuit board, so it's not even touching the hottest part.

What you're saying is baseless FUD.

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Re: @Vic

> do they fail that much given the much higher temperatures inside them?

Yes. Most Lithium-based batteries fail because of temperature.

> The battery of the iPad sits to the side of the circuit board

Well, an earlier poster was telling us that it is the battery that is getting hot. And if the external case is hitting 45C or thereabouts, the battery behind it will be hotter. That won't do it any favours.

> What you're saying is baseless FUD.

It is no such thing. It was a *question* related to an earlier statement that the battery is getting hot.

Is questioning no longer permitted?

Vic.

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@Tony Paulazzo

>if it burns out after 15 months (or 3 months out of warranty)...

I suspect it is designed to burn out two days after the release data of the Newer iPad. :-)

As for the New iPad, it has a resolution that is well below what the human eye can even discern; A human can detect 135 DPI at 18". iPad 2 has 134 DPI. New iPad is 264. So all that new quad core hardware is driving a screen that the average human cannot see the difference in anyway.

The battery life is shortened by roughly an hour, the weight has increased, the charge time has increased dramatically (and it has to be plugged into the mains, not a USB anymore), LTE is not available to the majority of non-US users (or US owners who travel) and the list of new options can be counted on less than the fingers of one hand. So why are people paying through the nose for this?

Oh right. It looks cool. Does not run cool, but that is beside the point to many I suppose.

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Re: @Vic

> Yes. Most Lithium-based batteries fail because of temperature.

Yet laptop batteries don't fail that much, and laptops run hotter than the iPad.

> Well, an earlier poster was telling us that it is the battery that is getting hot. And if the external case is hitting 45C or thereabouts,

Maybe you shouldn't trust earlier posters and look at the Consumer Reports yourself?

The yellow (HOT) area is clearly the CPU. Now look at e.g. the iFixit teardown and you'll see the battery is in the cooler area. The 45C is in the CPU, not the whole external case.

> Is questioning no longer permitted?

Like it wasn't a loaded question. Is this your attempt at RDF? Yes that's a loaded question too.

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Re: @Vic

> Yet laptop batteries don't fail that much

Oh yes they do.

> Maybe you shouldn't trust earlier posters and look at the Consumer Reports yourself?

Ah. I see. Discussion is verboten. Thankyou for letting us all know Herr Oberfuehrer.

> Like it wasn't a loaded question.

It was not a loaded question. Your paranoia is showing.

> Is this your attempt at RDF? Yes that's a loaded question too.

I don't do RDF. Occasionally, I like to ask people what they think. If you believe that to be "loading", you're going to find a lot of loaded questions in the world...

Vic.

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Can I be first to say...

"You're holding it wrong?" I'm sure someone in the Cloud of Distortion is bound to say it.

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Is this story bad for Apple?

Or does keeping their product publicised keep it in the thoughts of purchasers in a useful way even if the story is superficially negative?

Anyone in marketing care to comment?

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Hot Hot Baby

Goodness gracious my balls are on fire

-- Shamelessly stolen from Jerry Lee Lewis :)

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Re: Hot Hot Baby

Or great balls of ire.

C.

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Specs Under Review

Anticipated Explanation:

Our rigorous specification identifies several levels of thermal comfort:

Level 1: Puppy in your lap

Level 2: Cheesy pizza burning the roof of your mouth

Level 3: Passing out face first over a bonfire whilst camping

Level 4: Spontaneous human combustion

Level 5: Trip to the centre of the sun

The iPad continues to function as intended at about Level 3.5. Don't hold it wrong.

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And yet

Even with this, my wife will complain that she's cold.

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Re: And yet

You should get yourself a hot wife.

Like mine.

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Wow...

...this is a Anti-Apple bridgades playground. Publicity is publicity to Apple. Whether it be positive or negative.

Anyway, why aren't we seeing stories of Dell, HP, Lenovo laptops overheating and almost knocking your bollocks off due to extremely poor design and use of plastics in casing? God knows what that temp on the iPad 3 would be like if it had a plastic backing. At least the aluminium is spreading the heat making it less noticable.

*sigh*

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Re: Wow...

>At least the aluminium is spreading the heat making it less noticable.

Not really working then is it. Seems it got noticed pretty quickly.

Nice try fanboi.

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Devil

Ooh! My turn!

Maybe the hot spot is actually the cloud-shared storage point of all of the collective rage from all the iOS fanbois outside of the US who suddenly realised that Apple actually don't give a shit about what wireless technology they use.

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I'm not Complaining

Sterilised Fanbois are not a problem for me.

iDarwin Certified.

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Pint

You're just holding it wrong. Hold it like the rest of us Borg and you will be just fine.

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i suppose it does get a bit warm... with the brightness on full, and playing 3d games, it can put out nearly enough heat that if i touch it i think 'ooh, thats a bit warm' - not qutie though, it took reading this article telling me it was warm to make me actually think it.

since when is 44 (or 46.7 or whatever) C 'testicle-boiling', or even 'particularly noticable'?

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Population Control

As a dues-paying member of the ultra liberal left, and strong supporter of Obamacare and it's take on free birth control, I'd say The Sacred J is cooking 'the boys" in an attempt to keep down the birth rate as is his dark mentor's wish.

Funny thing is, he's just thermally castrating the faithful.

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Did anybody consider the option

of "If you don't like it don't buy one"?

Or would that spoil all the fun of pointless snarking for the sake of it?

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Re: Did anybody consider the option

Option two please, its a laughfor both sides Shirley?

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Juvenile Fanbois on all sides

It's a mental illness.

UTTER FAIL.

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It seems obvious

that there will soon be a recall of the iPad 2 (and earlier?) for operating at too low a temperature.

The other possibility is that they are also now operating at these elevated temperatures without the reality distortion field which formerly obtained.

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Gosh, the Downvotes on many of these comments!

Is there an Apple employee running amok?

Quick, El. Reg., delete Steve Jobs' account!

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Heat and MTBF (Mean time before failure)

I understood the rule of thumb was 10 degrees (non-libyan or American degrees, but Celcius) increase in operating temperature meant 50% decrease in MTBF...

Corrections gratefully received.

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WTF?

Wow - some of the comments!

Here we go again we some really petty name-calling from various contributors.

The silly thing about all this Apple/Microsoft/Google/whoever love and hate is that it's nothing more than the old human tribe mentality. It's the geek version of being a football fan.

Why anyone feels the need to idolise any company is beyond me - they exist to get you to spend your money, nothing more. They do not love you, they do not worry about you, they do not have any interest in you in any way except getting your cash. Period. Anything the company says to the contrary is simply marketing and PR, designed to get, wait for it, your money!

To all those who get so wound up defending company X about how great it or it's products are just ask yourself - does company X come and tuck you into bed at night? Does company X come round and make you soup when you're ill? If you lose your job will it come pay your mortgage and put food on your table?

If the answer to any of these it no then what exactly do you think you owe them?

Get some perspective people - it you like a product and it fits your needs buy it, if not then don't. That's all there is too it.

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Aww... c'mon. I use a dodocase for my iPad2 or place it on a stand. If I had the new iPad, I probably wouldn't even notice the heat issue. I'm perfectly satisfied with my older model, though, so I won't find out until next year's model. I'm sure Apple knew exactly how hot it would run and realized that since people just have to find an issue, this would be a good one since it won't affect sales significantly.

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"I understood the rule of thumb was 10 degrees (non-libyan or American degrees, but Celcius) increase in operating temperature meant 50% decrease in MTBF..."

For what... an ice cube = YES

A piece of aluminium - a hard drive - what?

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Stop

It will be interesting what the Android crew come up with when they release a hi-res screen. Will they sell enough for the media to even bother reporting if there is actually a problem? Whatever the case, fandroids will go all mobius on themselves trying explain how it's a 'better' heat than that produced by the Apple version. It's just the law of nature.

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Only 116 degrees? Whiners

That's nice 'n toasty! Get back to me when the batteries start popping off.

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I don't see the big deal....

Just slap one of those "machinery may have been used for roasting nuts" food warning stickers on the iPad box!!

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Gimp

I can cook with it too? Or keep my coffee warm? Is there anything these fruity machines can't do?

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It's a feature

Built-in hotspot

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Honestly this is a stupid argument

I am anti-apple, pro-android, but I am fair for both sides. I always tell people who see me rant about how much I can't stand apple, that their devices are fantastic, it's the company and their crappy business antics and trying to use their immense money to sue all competition instead of win on the merit of their products. Their products are some of the best out there. I prefer android, for many reasons. This, however, seems like an article to try to degrade ipad 3's because of some heat. Big deal. They'll make a sleeve that absorbs it, or a software fix to variably control the cpu/gpu, etc. I am all for slamming apple products (vs android) when fanbois claim that apple will win, android will die, etc. But to merely try to point out a minor issue as potentially a major reason ipad 3s suck.. lame.

Let's battle on the overall features, functionality, and usefulness of a product. The ipad 3 kicks ass, it works great, the screen is (for now) the best on the market, even compared to laptops (given it's 10" size and very few laptops having much higher than 1080p screens now, usually less).

Think of the desktop gaming market.. they put water coolers on their cpus (even I do) Why? To overclock them so they can run faster. The water cooler's will keep a normal cpu very cool, but as soon as you overclock them, they are running hot again. Hot is ok. Too hot is bad. Cpus can easily handle 120 degree heat for periods of time. The ipad 3 heat is not going to be an issue for the internals. So really it's only purpose of being sought out to make apple look bad is because of a minor discomfort to end users. Silicon sleeve or some sort of case solves the problem.

Now.. about Android tablets. For all those apple fanboi/android haters.. you're all wrong about nothing compares. That's just being pure biased, so much hatred you can't see past anything apple and thus you are unfairly comparing two products. That's what children do. If you are a child, you are forgiven. If you are a teen+ or worse, and adult.. grow up a bit. Be fair. There are many tablets for android that have similar specs..except for the screen (for now), and some that are beefier. The Transformer Prime being the best candidate right now. The quad-core (5 cores really..fifth core is used to run when the 4 main cpus don't need to be used..for someting like running a single app to read a book), and the gpu is a beast. The bump in gpu on the ipad 3 does NOT give it a much faster graphics..it's primarily absorbed by having to push 4x as many pixels on the new screen. So while the ipad 3 is a bit faster than the ipad2, it's not nearly as fast as the prime is. Does it matter? I think not. The ipad 3 with its gorgeous screen and runs smooth enough to be used as it's intended..as an incredible display tablet, which will be great for photographers and video work in the field, showing pictures/videos to clients, watching movies, etc.. among other things. Still, you can't be childish and knock the existence of the quad-core cpus being put out for android tablets. As well, Android 4 OS is quite good. To have any android tablet (or phone) act like an iphone, it's as simple as pressing the "drawer" button. Now, you have a UI full of buttons that make it work just like the ipad/iphone. So the argument that ipad/iphone is so much easier.. just doesn't hold merit. The android devices have more capabilities and offer more customizations.. but you don't have to use it that way. I should make a video about this lol.

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Bah!

"Testicle-boiling"? Really? Is there even one actual case of a scrotal vapour incident? If so it would indicate a rather novel 'nad arrangement or possibly some sort of extreme B&D appliance deployment given the usual method of iPad usage.

I assume even that bloke from the old Apple commercials who thought you needed to dismantle a PC to install a printer would be clued-in enough not to attempt to use an iPad by sitting on it.

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These comments are bloody rediculous

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Apple is doing us all a favor

Gene cleansing needs to be increased and this is a good stealth means to achieve it.

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Religioius Fervour

Good thing no one mentioned the dirty knife.........................

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Pint

Yawn

Macbeth Act 5 Scene 5 26-28

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Correction..

Testicle-boiling new iPad (iNad) ignites fanboi fury.

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