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Shipments of the long-awaited and heavily fought over Raspberry Pi boards could be delayed thanks to a manufacturing cock-up. The assembly lines churning out the first 10,000 units used the wrong kind of RJ45 networking jack, according to the team behind the $35 Linux computer, and the parts will need to be replaced before …

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          1. Aaron Em

            Re: This just reinforces

            There is a pretty sizable difference between here's an opportunity to stretch myself and learn something new and there is no way in hell I'm going to be able to support the demand for this, even if I don't sleep for a month straight, so if I take on the job under these conditions it will certainly result in disaster which will splash all over me and make me look incompetent, no matter what excuses I try to make.

            I don't know whether RPF thought it was doing the former and ended up with the latter, but if even a redneck asshole like me can see the debacle coming, what excuse have these professionals for not doing the same?

            Speaking of RPF, I thought their philosophy had to do with education, not with trying to break through some notional "we're all scared to try something new" innovation bottleneck in the tech industry? Especially considering that no such bottleneck can be shown to exist, what you're saying about their purpose doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, to say nothing of it failing to match their own mission statement.

            1. defiler

              Re: This just reinforces

              @Aaron Em

              The world is full of mediocre people trying to cruise by on as little effort as possible. A small percentage of people actually stretch themselves to try to achieve their goals. And a small percentage of them charge in grasping a particularly unpleasant nettle and promise the world in return.

              Of that last group, most will fail. There's no getting around that simple fact. But the few that succeed will be glorious, and their legacy will be touched by a spark of the divine. (But not in the ethernet jack, because that'll ruin it, obviously.)

              I say good luck to them, and if I get my arse in gear I'll probably end up with a half-dozen of them at least...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: This just reinforces

      "having seen this debacle coming at least a month in advance."

      And you didn't warn them?!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: This just reinforces

      This very much reminds me of the early 80's home computer boom. The promise of great things, the changes to spec, the ever changing delivery dates. The vocal fanbois telling every body else to shut up and stop criticising. I'm just waiting for the price increases, and other competitors to start showing up any time now.

      The RPi guys are talented amateurs. But this is what happens when a company is managed by techies and not businessmen. It doesn't matter if they are doing this in their spare time, or doing it for charity or whatever. This does not make the project or people involved immune from criticism - we are still paying customers who are being messed around with.

      I look forward to getting a RPi in my hands, but that will happen after the hype has died down and I can order the product and get it delivered within days.

      And before anyone criticises and asks why I don't launch my own competitor to the RPi if I'm so clever. Then my answer is that I've shipped just as many to customers as the RPi foundation have...

      Flame away Fanbois...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: This just reinforces

        "This very much reminds me of the early 80's home computer boom. The promise of great things, the changes to spec, the ever changing delivery dates."

        And ironically we have people on this very board moaning about the machine not being made in the UK without remembering the lessons of the early 80's.

        When Alan Sugar came to buy out Sinclair he simply couldn't believe how much it was costing Sir Clive to make his machines up at the Timex factory in Scotland, let alone the horrific rate of units returned as faulty. First opportunity Sugar got he ditched Timex and started up production in the Far East.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: This just reinforces

          "First opportunity Sugar got he ditched Timex and started up production in the Far East."

          yeah but that was because scummy Barrow boy sugar was a Thatcher boy much loved by her ,and epitomised by harry enfield's 1980's loadsAmoney thinking.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: This just reinforces

      Just fuck off and buy something else you smug bastard, for the rest of us it really is the only game in town.

      1. Ian Johnston Silver badge
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        It's not the only game in town

        Pop over to eBay, where you can buy old desktops with much higher specification by the pallet load for a similar unit cost. OK, a tad bulkier, but at least they actually exist.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: It's not the only game in town

          It depends what game you want to play.

          Personally, I'm fully aware of what's available on eBay, and have saved a few friends and neighbours hundreds of pounds by having them buy ex-corporate-class PCs. I'm their support line and I know what I'm supporting.

          On the other hand, if I was wanting to roll out a few hundred PCs (and RPi isn't a PC but put that to one side) into an environment where the quality of tech support was at best "variable", I would NOT be willing to take the 2nd-hand corporate PC approach. There's too much variability in the detail of the 2nd hand PCs on eBay to support a big rollout, even if you're selective, making everything from procurement to training to support too time-consuming *for a big roll-out*.

          If you've got half a dozen boxes to support, and plenty of time/money, who cares whether the DVD drive is IDE or SATA. With dozens or hundreds of boxes, on a school scale, or a Local Education Authority scale, things like that start to matter.

          You can get a whole RPi for the price of a couple of IDE drives. They're all compatible.

          Come to think of it, given the way that support services for schools have been tendered out to "best value" cowboy outfits, you can probably get a dozen or more RPI cards, plus spares and accessories, for the price of a certified LEA-compatible DVD drive.

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Small outfit? Broadcom is a $7.39 billion/year revenue company.

    You do know who's really in charge of the project, right?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      It appears

      You don't know for a start.

      Broadcom is NOT in charge of this project,. They have no say in what happens whatsoever.

      I know this, I work for Broadcom, and work as a volunteer for the RPF.

      1. Aaron Em

        Re: It appears

        Too bad Broadcom doesn't have more to do with operations, isn't it? Maybe then this wouldn't be such a rolling fiasco.

        1. James Hughes 1

          Re: It appears

          @Aaron. We get it. You don't like. Now STFU and let the people trying to make a difference get on with without whining from people such as yourself.

      2. Ian Johnston Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Oh good, someone from RPF

        Can you tell us why the story was that 10,000 were on there way, and then that 10,000 had been sold, and then that 10,000 were awaiting customs clearance when it appears that the story should have been that 10,000 didn't actually exist. Manufacturing is hard; telling the truth is easy.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      re: You do know who's really in charge of the project, right?

      No. Is it Moriarty?

      "a criminal strain ran in his blood, which, instead of being modified, was increased and rendered infinitely more dangerous by his extraordinary mental powers. Dark rumours gathered round him in the University town, and eventually he was compelled to resign his chair and come down to London. He is the Napoleon of crime, Watson. He is the organiser of half that is evil and of nearly all that is undetected in this great city..."

      Sounds about right for an evil mastermind who plans to enslave our youth to this horrible addiction.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      you really think Broadcom are in charge, the simple answer is OC not their not or you would see at least an ARM A8 cortex with NEON SIMD SOC or better being used on the pi to encourage future training for their mass markets nit some pre cortex arm IP that doesnt generate any real profits long term.

      in case you missed it.... ARM cortex IS THE FUTURE and there will be a massive need for ARM cortex/NEON SIMD coders and designers any time now and they will find them in the far east.

  2. Mike Flugennock
    Paris Hilton

    Whoa. I. Want. One.

    "...it's a fully functional system capable of, among many things, 1080p video playback and hardware-accelerated graphics. It uses a Broadcom multimedia SoC that includes a 700MHz ARM1176JZF-S core and 256M of RAM..."

    I don't care if I don't know Linux or don't know yet what I could use it for. 1080p video, hardware graphics acceleration, 35 GODDAMN' BUCKS. I just WANT one. I'll find one of my geek buddies -- one of whom's a combination Mac/Linux freak -- to help me get the hang of Linux, and I'll _think_ of something to use it for. I just want one; I'll figure the other shit out later.

    Paris, because I just want one, and I'll figure out what I can do with it later.

    1. Vic

      Re: Whoa. I. Want. One.

      > I don't care if I don't know Linux

      You know enough about Linux. It's really not as different from whatever you;re used to as some might have you think.

      And you could always go and grab a LiveCD[1] and play with it a bit - no installation required.

      But for $deity's sake, don't get anything with Gnome3 Shell on it...

      Vic.

      [1] Fedora 14 would be my recommendation. But there are others.

      1. John B 1
        Thumb Up

        Re: Whoa. I. Want. One.

        Debian-squeeze is good as well. If you want to play with it get Virtualbox and set the RAM to 256 with the HDD at 8 GB. Get an .iso and aim the VM installer at it.

        Most of the Ubuntu wiki applies so the docs are the same. The standard test for a Linux newbie is NTFS shares and printer installation. Crack those and you're on your way.

        1. Vic

          Re: Whoa. I. Want. One.

          > get Virtualbox and set the RAM to 256 with the HDD at 8 GB. Get an .iso

          > and aim the VM installer at it.

          This is why I suggested the LiveCD route - no virtualisation required. You just plop the CD in the drive and boot from it.

          Such CDs are a bit slow - it's much better to run from a USB stick - but they show you the nature of the beast with very little effort.

          Vic.

    2. Marty
      Linux

      Re: Whoa. I. Want. One.

      if you want to use it as a HD media player, Both XBMC and openELEC are doing a port of there media player software for it....

      all you need to do is download the image form the web, then with the help of a little application you can also download, it will copy that image onto a SD card... and away you go, power it up and your fully functional HD Media player is working...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ao0JmzVhQro

      buy two.... and learn a bit of scripting, or enough linux stuff you dont have to ask one of your mates !

    3. Allan George Dyer
      Go

      Re: Whoa. I. Want. One.

      Mike, I think you embody what is so good about this project, its ability to inspire. We've drifted into being passive consumers of tech, like:

      <voice tone="bored">Yeah, my iThing is soooo coooool, you know, it, like, just works?</voice>

      But people get enthusiastic about the Raspberry, they might not know what the possibilities are, or how they'll do it, but they (we) are going to try. OK, the original target was school kids, and the delays are frustrating, but I'll be ordering one as soon as I can, and one each for the kids.

    4. Ian Johnston Silver badge
      WTF?

      Re: Whoa. I. Want. One.

      £22 turns out to be about £30 when you order from Farnell. And that's with free delivery. Still cheap, but let's see how much they cost when they exist, eh?

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Pi on their face....

    I said in another thread the product would be delayed and wouldn't ship on time and got flamed but looks like some people have pi on their face and all the early adopters will get burnt by shoddily soldered on parts done in a rush.

    Ah well at least they are putting money in the Chinese economy

    1. Aaron Em

      Re: Pi on their face....

      Being realistic and sensible will make you no friends at all around here, you know.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Pi on their face....

        Neither does being a smug cockwomble crowing over a manufacturing problem that could happen to any small or, as I've seen from my job working support in the retail sector, very large project but it seems to be taking some time for you to realise that.

        1. James Hughes 1

          Re: Pi on their face....

          Cockwomble.

          Excellent!

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    too all the nay-sayers and trolls...

    The Raspberry Foundation has done a remarkable job in developing this product and getting it to market.

    they have had all sorts of things get in the way and they have worked trough each and every one of them.

    They have had to fight against a market that probably doesn't want them to get to market. There are several other companies around making similar single board computer systems that the Pi is going to undercut in cost and out perform in price. they will not want them to succeed, the computer industry as a whole who can see the far reaching effects of a product like the RPi may not want it to succeed. I imagine they may try a dirty tricks campaign against them to try to make them fail.

    its happened before in other industries. Daewoo cars for instance. When they launched, they built reasonable cars, nothing special, but perfectly fine for the average Joe. They launched with a whole new way of selling cars... the price you pay for the car included unlimited mileage servicing and a lifetime warentee on parts and labour... Which is traditionally where the other makers made their money in the after market sales of spares and repair. They either had to compete or destroy Daewoo, they chose to destroy. How they did this was that all the car dealers conspired to kill the second hand market for the daewoo cars. on part exchanges, they offered next to nothing for the car. You had to go back to Daewoo for another car if you wanted to part exchange for a new car. The lack of value in the 2nd hand market put people buying the cars in the first place. your not going to buy a car for £12k knowing at 1 year old, your going to be lucky to get £2k for it.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the single board computer market was not playing a similar dirty tricks campaign. Would it be beyond the realms of a realistic situation where a company putting $1Bn worth of work through a factory could corrupt that factory into screwing up a production line worth at best $350,000, taking into account production costs, maybe loosing £50,000 in profit...

    it maybe , and probably was just a genuine fuck up, but the RPi is going to land in peoples hands maybe 5 months after the initial date they expected to go on sale. when you look at other companies that's not too bad. Bigger companies have delayed much longer....

    1. Aaron Em
      Alien

      Re: too all the nay-sayers and trolls...

      "It's all a conspiracy! The man is keeping RPF down, man!"

      Shame there's no tinfoil hat icon. I suppose nonexistent aliens will just have to do.

    2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: too all the nay-sayers and trolls...

      I don't think Beagle board has very much global power. All the other single board computer makers are one man in a garage setup who are paying retail rates for parts and 1000-off rates for making them.

      In one of the interviews the RP people explain that being a charity, component makers who would otherwise have told them to b****** off for not buying million/year quantities were prepared to talk to them.

    3. TeeCee Gold badge
      Mushroom

      Re: too all the nay-sayers and trolls...

      Bollocks!

      Daewoo cars are still around, badged as Chevrolets these days. The reason Daewoo cars went titsup was that the whole Daewoo empire (of which the car bit was a piddlingly small part) did, as its books were cooked and it was being treated by the founder as his personal plaything and piggy-bank.

      The reason secondhand prices were low on early Daewoos was that they were all rebadges of obsolete GM models for which Daewoo bought the tooling and nobody in their right mind wanted the things. They sold new, 'cos stupid people got taken in by the NEW!!111!!!ness and bought 'em in preference to a better, secondhand car, but secondhand you couldn't give the ruddy things away.

      1/10. Please try to find a better conspiracy theory.

  5. Andus McCoatover
    Windows

    Pi-day??

    Shouldn't they move the date to 16/March?

    That'd be a "Fri-day"

    (Mine's on order...)

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "the problem was found in testing"

    I have no way of knowing whether this or isn't true...lots of assumptions follow.

    If it is true, then

    RESPECT IS DUE to the people whose decision to have these things PROPERLY TESTED meant it was discovered sooner rather than later.

    I am going to assume that someone with a clue decided that these things needed proper CE/EMC testing, not some silly selection of worthless pieces of paper called a technical construction file, as (ab)used by most modern (ie cheap) consumer electronics.

    Actually as the RPi were intended for sale as components rather than finished consumer product they probably weren't even required by rule to do CE certification or EMC testing.

    BUT TEST THEY DID, and presumably the EMC or other tests fairly quickly revealed that the necessary isolation and/or suppression wasn't present.

    If the manufacturers and importers of cheap Chinese electronics were always this conscientious, there'd be a lot fewer safety issues with things like Christmas lights and power supplies and there'd be a lot fewer unexplained EMC issues.

    Thank you, whoever made the decision to test properly before release.

    Please, could someone in the know get the facts and if appropriate write this up as an example of the importance of real EMC testing before letting goods onto the market.

    1. ChrisC Silver badge

      Re: "the problem was found in testing"

      Except that generally isn't how you do EMC testing... You build a few prototypes, get them working using whatever means necessary and then perform some preliminary testing to see how far off being compliant you are, adding/removing/changing components, beefing up tracks etc as required until your Mk.1 frankenboard hits the mark. Then you build a few more prototypes, translating the spaghetti of patch wires, cut tracks, upside down components etc into netlist and layout mods so that these protos work as expected right out the oven. Then you test again.

      At this point all of the testing is preliminary. You might even do some/all of it in-house if you've got some test gear handy and don't have the time/money to spend on repeated trips to a test house. Hell, if your company is really on the ball they might even have a fully accredited in-house test facility that allows them to self-certify their own products (as well as bringing in some extra revenue by hiring the facility out to other companies... I had the luxury of starting my career at one such company, and you don't realise how damned useful having the full spectrum of onsite facilities - plus the dedicated EMC test engineers - is until you move to a company without any of it), in which case you can just test, test and test some more until things are spot on. Once you're happy with the performance of the fixed prototypes, you then do a small batch of production-grade boards and run the formal tests that, all being well, will get you the certification you need.

      Only then do you pull the trigger on the full scale production run...

      What you'll then want to do, especially if you're using a different board stuffing facility for the production run than you used for the small quantities of proto boards, is to take the first few boards off the line and go over them with a fine-tooth comb to make sure they've been built to spec. It's at this point that you're likely to spot errors like incorrect parts being fitted, but this has nothing to do with EMC testing - any halfway-professional company would do a first-off inspection like this regardless of what official standards the product was required (or not) to meet.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "the problem was found in testing"

        So in other words, once you've convinced yourself by early testing that the *design* makes sense, you ramp up production and check some of the *product* to make sure it matches the design intentions. Which is entirely compatible with wot I wrote about "proper EMC testing", but thanks for filling in the bit of the story I omitted for brevity :)

    2. david 12 Silver badge

      Re: "the problem was found in testing"

      Nothing to do with EMF or 'proper' testing. If they were built without magnetics, the network port doesn't work. At all.

      By the way, when I looked last year the lead time for most of those sockets was around 3 months, and it is very difficult to find compatible parts.

      They probably got stuck with the bad parts because of supply problems, it could be some time before there is a solution, and somebody has just blown their profit margin.

  7. Timmo

    Looking Forward

    I've been waiting for years for something this cheap and capable to come to market. The fact people are getting so hyped up about these delays just proves to me this is a product which has been long wanted by people around the world. Where were the venture capitalists, the Entrepreneurs, the big electronic companies who could have done this but didn't because they wanted to sell you a big beige box instead? It's took a group of dedicated people 7 years of their spare time and I imagine some persuasive skill with their employers at Broadcomm to get here at all.

    The fact that the hackers out there are falling over themselves to get hold of one (or 10) is incidental to the core reason these people put together the foundation. i.e. to get the boards into UK schools and to teach kids. I for one hope they do not loose sight of their main goal and they have wide enough shoulders for the shit they are bound to get on forums and by commentators. I think it's a shame they had to compromise and build the gear in China, but hey, that's life.

    They've been under pressure now for a while to get the board out to people, a lot of whom want to use it for their own projects (including me). At the end of the day unless you're one of the people who are going to provide educational material or teaching aids for this you should shut your mouths and wait your turn. I can't afford a beagle board to mess about with but at it's price point the Pi is getting me as excited as the day i first sat down with my Vic 20 and saw the expansion port, which hasn't happened in a long time. Someone mentioned maybe it would have been great if they could have made some batches in the UK at a higher price. There has been enough talk of the Pi for a while now but no-one put their money where their mouths were. Were the foundation offered this ? Did they want to wait untill they could get the board out at the lower price to everyone ?

    Only they know and how many extra hours of negotiation would that have took away from the main goal of getting the pi out there. RS and farnell have had some shit as well but they have taken a chance more than anyone else to help get this to market in volume. it could have flopped like a overcooked soufflé for all they knew so they should get a break too. One final comment on the Chinese production. Come on who wasn't expecting some minor hiccups. I've never even had a manual from there without a spelling mistake in it and if I had to negotiate building an electronic device with someone half the world away I'm sure they could find fault with my simplified Chinese.

    1. ShadowedOne
      Thumb Up

      Re: Looking Forward

      Now this is realistic and sensible, very well said.

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    1. Anonymous Coward
      Mushroom

      Re: I'm sure..

      It can happen. There's a load of Sinclair Spectrums out there with EMP hardened Z80's in them. A batch was accidentally sent to whoever Amstrad were using to assemble them that week and they got installed in the machines before anyone realised.

      Sadly both of mine have standard Z80's. Although I suspect the rest of the hardware may not continue to function after a nuclear strike in anycase.

      1. Marty
        Facepalm

        Re: I'm sure..

        I agree, I "can" happen and it does happen.... but its a matter of finding out where the fuck up was made and if it was intentional or an accident.

        the two main options are

        1) the factory was trying to run a scam subbing parts for a cheaper component in the hope nobody will notice. .. if you look on the pics on the RPi website, the right and wrong components are shown side by side, the only visible difference is the colour of the contacts. maybe some dick thought that was what the difference in part number was, tin or gold contacts...

        2) the factory supplier. Its possible that the supplier of the components could have switched out the parts, invoicing the manufacturer for the more expensive component. it may even have been down to a stupid mistake in where the boxes were placed in a warehouse...

        over in the far east, this sort of fuck up happens all the time. Maybe the manufacturer just bins the entire batch and makes new boards. there's 10,000, near perfect RPi's in a bin waiting to be scooped up and vanish only to appear a couple of weeks down the line on ebay for inflated prices the faulty component may or may not have been fixed!

        the thing is, we will never actually know the truth in the cause of the fuckup lets just see how The Raspberry Foundation and its distribution partners deal with it.

  9. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Happy

    One good thing to take away from this is the fact that the factory now know that the foundation *will* test boards. I've no doubt that somewhere written into the contract is text to the effect that the factory is responsible for correcting errors at its own expense. They won't want a repeat of this.

  10. IGnatius T Foobar
    Megaphone

    Get out of china

    There ought to be a 15% tarriff on anything made in China, and a 25% excise tax on anything made by union labor. That would bring useful jobs back to US and UK very quickly. (This will be made into law when I become president next year, see http://tinyurl.com/IGnatiusTFoobarForPresident for more details.)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Get out of china

      I'll assume you will be spitting at the poor, booing the disabled and putting the unemployed in tesco's to stack the shelves for free.

    2. Marty
      Coat

      Re: Get out of china

      union labour is exactly why all the manufacturing got farmed out to the far east in the first place.

      in a union controlled factory, rule one was as soon as a large order comes in, go on strike until you get a cut.

      i'll get my coat, because there is not jobs around here any more !!

      1. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
        FAIL

        Re: Get out of china

        Perhaps we should let the managing board hoover up all the spare cash then.. while us poor plebs merely tug our forelocks and say thank you to t' mill owner for letting us work for him.

        Still on the plus side, with everything out sourced to China, there'll be no workers with any spare cash to spend on shiney gadgits.. thus leaving multi-megacorp with no customers...

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "go on strike until you get a cut."

        Well actually as far as the UK goes, the longest running strike in history is UK management's investment strike. Most UK company management have refused to invest in decent wages, decent education, decent training, and decent technology at least as far back as the 1960s, whilst paying their top staff and their shareholders bigger and bigger dividends through thick and thin.

        Classic example would be GEC, initially under Weinstock but continued thereafter. Now, who remembers what happened to them, and why. Hint: Largely down to no investment, even though they were big enough to take the whole of the UK universities output of engineering graduates if they wanted. Weinstock thought that in the unlikely event he needed that oh so expensive R+D to support his product lines, he could buy it in (via a joint venture or by buying a company). That worked well for them didn't it.

        And today, part of the reason "there is not jobs around here any more" is the lack of investment in real education, in the school system and beyond. What's RPi about?

        Also, the ongoing lending strike at the banks (but no bonus shortage?) is part of the reason why the first RasPi batch was only 10k units (couldn't get funding for more) .

        But don't let that any of these minor facts confuse your world view. Everything that's ever gone wrong in any economy is the fault of the democratic [1] organisations representing the workers, i.e. the unions.

        Don't know if you've noticed, but Germany's unions have a lot more influence than the unions in the UK. Germany also takes training, investment, etc seriously. Whose economy is in a better state?

        Have a lovely weekend, comrade.

        [1] At least as democratic as the Cleggerons, mate.

        1. Marty

          Re: "go on strike until you get a cut."

          the unions got too powerful and influential in the uk to the detriment of this country. you had people in the unions using the workers as pawns for there own political gain over what was best for the workers.

          take the miner strike in the 80's. Scargill was opposed to the closure of mines, because of the loss of the jobs, and that whole communities relied on that pit, and without a national ballot of all members, he had them on strike for nearly a year. His thinking in some respects was right., some miners broke away, formed their own union and went back to work, hoping that the government would look favourably on them and save their pit. It didn't work, the pit was no longer economically viable to run so it had to close. But at least those workers had a ballot. Eventually when the NUM balloted the workers, they voted to go back to work...

          forget the reasons for why and if they should have closed the pits or not, the fact that one man brought a national workforce out on strike for a year, without a ballot of those workers, the fact that other union workforces came out on strike in sympathy, just on the say so of the union, there was no way the government was going to allow that sort of power to continue. they shot themselves in the foot.

          many years ago, in my younger days, I had a council owned flat, the hot water tank sprung a leak and needed to be replaced. first of all, the plumber came, switched it off, drained it, and went. he had to wait for the electrician to come and disconnect the electric supply. after that was done, the plumber came back, installed the new tank, connected everything up, then called the electrician back to connect it back up... the electrician came, connected up a couple of wires, woohoo, 4 days later I had hot water again. It should have taken one day, but because the unions wouldn't let a plumber do an electricians job it took 4.

          across the river from me was a shipyard. Cammell Laird, one of the biggest names in ship building. Every time they got a new ship to build, the workers would go out on strike to renegotiate the wages. every time this happened, it would inevitably delay the ship, costing the company millions in late fees. but that's ok, the union workers didn't loose out. until the orders for ships went to the far east where they were built and delivered on time, for less money.

          before the bin collection service was put out to tender, I used to live next door to a bin man, 2 days per week, he would be dropped off at home in the morning and picked back up again as the truck was on its ay back to the depot. they had more workers than they needed, but they could not shed any workers. instead, Liverpool had one of the most expensive rates of council tax.

          I could go through all of the big manufacturers in Liverpool from the 60's and 70's, all gone now, and the main reason they closed down was rising costs and poor workmanship.there was massive differences in quality to cars built on different days of the week, you didn't want a Friday car, but a Monday car would have served you well... , all in all, the common point is the unions and workers wanting more and more for less and less... it made manufacturing in the far east a really good proposition.

          but yeah, blame the greedy business owners and bankers for wanting to keep a roof over their heads...

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: "go on strike until you get a cut."

            "many years ago, in my younger days <zzzzzzzz> the unions wouldn't let a plumber do an electricians job it took 4."

            Bad management is just as likely in the private sector and without unions as it is in the public sector or with unions.

            Last time the bulb failed in my desk lamp at work, which wasn't that long ago, it took a week for the replacement to arrive. The (outsourced) integrated facilities management web app puts most people off but I persisted. The (outsourced) sparky came round and looked at the lamp. Neither the sparkies nor my employers hold stock of consumables like light bulbs (we're into LEAN but not into common sense, so we do just not in time instead).

            Eventually a replacement turned up.

            There's plenty similar cases where an FM company charges £500 or so for changing a light bulb. If they'd given me a tenner I'd have changed the bulb, no questions asked.

            All done without unions. All done without common sense too.

  11. Pypes
    Facepalm

    Guess what

    I fucking told you so.

    Pay cheap Chinese shit rates, get cheap Chinese shit.

    Firstly they couldn't source a suitable xtal (probably one of the most commodity-ised components going) and now they've been caught out swapping what I'm sure they assumed were generic RJ45 sockets for the ones they were told to use. Next we'll find out they thought the vias were ventilation holes and didn't bother to plate them.

    I think the training manual for "cutting edge" Chinese assembly lines can be summed up as "the hot stick melts the shiny stuff, now work faster!"

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