Apple released a developer preview of Mountain Lion today before the new operating system is let out of its cage in the summer. It's the ninth major iteration of the Mac OS X operating system, replacing Lion, and from Apple's roundup of its features, version 10.8 marks a much closer integration with iOS devices. Apple goes so …
Re: Re: Terminal.app is still available ;-)
it does when you install the developer tools. have you even used a Mac?
Gnome on a OSX? sounds like you're a serious glutton for punishment. Install VirtualBox and do it properly.
Re: Re: Terminal.app is still available ;-)
gcc(1) not on the terminal? Good Heavens, you're right. It's a binary called from the shell. In a shell session, via the terminal app or an xterm, type "man gcc" at the prompt and see if you can understand the result. Bit hard to find the programme, /usr/bin/cc or /usr/bin/gcc - oops, gave it away.
Try the same for ruby, python, perl, m4, sh, ksh, csh, etc., X, xterm, awk, make, sed and so on. Enable apache, set up printers using CUPS. Use vi/vim, emacs. Set up Postfix. Try a real UNIX implementation, even run twm. If you have not installed it (most of it is in the standard, installed distribution), it's in the free developer kit provided with every mac. But if you want to play it the Linux way, go to Sourceforge, GNU, Macports or wherever you like and download source or binary. Even disable the GUI completely and work completely from the shell (command line) or use an X server and twm or download something slow like Gnome. Install Eclipse for your Java development.
Install VirtualBox and run Windows, another Mac OS, Linux, whatever you like.
I hate OS X, it is so restricting and closed. Naughty Apple, naughty, naughty, naughty.
Re: Re: Re: Terminal.app is still available ;-)
type 'file /usr/bin/gcc' and you will notice what I talk about. It is just an alias to Apple lvvm compiler.
I do have Apple hardware, purchased back in day they were unique, not white box pcs having junk like realtek.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Terminal.app is still available ;-)
If you need vanilla GCC instead of LLVM-GCC for you can compile GCC yourself from the sources Apple provides.
Here's how to do it:
Don't want a MacPad Pro
Mobile devices are useful but I need a desktop/laptop when to get serious work done. I want it faster, more powerful, more elegant, and capable of running more applications. 10.7 was a step backwards in a work environment because it lost performance and common tasks (find/replace, mail and calendar integration, saving/discarding changes, etc.) lost their elegance. If Tweeting and an App store is what there is to look forward to in 10.8, I'll pass.
I Don't Care
Say what you like, I sit in front of a Windows PC all day and its a pain, partly because of all the rubbish the company insists is installed and partly because of Windows. Things are only going to get worse once we get Windows 7. (Don't laugh, Windows 8 will be on sale before that happens at the rate we're going!)
I come home, sit in front of my iMac or MacBook Air and simply enjoy using them, because they just work. I'd take OS X over any other OS, simply because its nicer to use than the rest. I've got a Win7 box at home as well and it dual boots to Ubuntu 10.04, so its not like I'm not covering all the bases.
Re: I Don't Care
Well, extra memory and virtual box running debian stable covers my sanity needs even while I run win 7 on a low end amd PC.
One wonders if oracle will bother sending virtual box/os x to app store for fun as there is no way it will be accepted.
Re: Re: I Don't Care
why would they? virtual box users usually know how to install apps themselves.
There's also the fact that even if the settings are turned all the way up, it will still allow you to make exceptions on a case-by-case basis.
Non-gardened apps already cause complaint
As a developer of un-loved apps for the Mac (open source - you know, the uncle Apple doesn't talk about) I've had to put up with the "Run this app that you downloaded from the unwashed Interwebs? Really?" dialog box for a while now. Sounds like this is more of the same. Until Apple tumbles the rest of the way down this slippery slope and turns on the super-draconian^h^h^h protective bit, I guess we're still ok.
How silly are you?
Pretty much any modern OS asks you for confirmation before running an executable downloaded from the Web. People were even demanding this!
You can also turn it off if it doesn't please you:
defaults write com.apple.LaunchServices LSQuarantine -bool NO
Some developer you are...
Re: Non-gardened apps already cause complaint
Anything you download it asks if you want to open it. It's a protection and for a company that supposedly hates open source they do seem to have GPL'ed software in their app store or is that some open source guys that sold their soul to the devil and became closed source?
Re: How silly are you?
He must be silly to release open source software to this brain dead ignorant apologizing crowd.
It's probably for the best
It's better to fence off bad software from idiots rather than make us use anti-virus. I'm not sure how this is any different really from trying to push people into using your Linux distro's repo. Of course people who will hate anything Apple does will moan but who cares, they won't buy a Mac.
Isn't the bigger question
How does adding a few utilities make this a new OS release?
I don't see any new technologies or improve interfaces. Not exactly worth a major update number, they could have put most of this through their existing app store.
Re: Isn't the bigger question
Even releases like Snow Leopard have been about tidying stuff and not a adding a lot of new features. That said the new AirPlay stuff and notifcation system wins me over. 20 odd quid worth of discounted iTunes vouchers (get them while on promo) seems a fair price for that, plus all the little changes. Bring it on!
Re: Isn't the bigger question
> How does adding a few utilities make this a new OS release?
This isn't all there is to it. the Reg article has chosen to only highlight the changes that are most likely to get people frothing at the mouth.
The cool and interesting stuff they've neglected to mention. Plus, this is only based on the pre-release beta code that Apple have chosen to release. Apparently there are over 100 changes in the final version, but Apple have only announced the 10 that feature more integration between your OS X desktop/laptop and iOS mobile device
So where are all the FOSS crowds, screaming about how requiring digital signing by default impedes the use of FOSS software? You know, the ones who constantly bash similar tech on Windows?
I guess it's different when the Apple RDF is in full effect.
Please explain how Gatekeeper signatures impedes FOSS software?
I'm all ears.
I'm not suggesting it does. Yet every time Windows treats unsigned binaries differently (such as a different UAC prompt text) the FOSS crowd are first to leap on it as an anti-FOSS move, since signing adds requirements over and above being able to simply modify executables as you wish.
I just find it interesting that we don't see the same arguments trotted out when it's Apple rather than Microsoft.
> unless you can be bothered to dismiss warnings
What's this? El Reg scaremongering for the sake of pandering to the penguin fiddlers and android fanciers? say it ain't so?
all that great journalism that went on last year with the tsunami issue and highlighting the poor sensationalist reporting in the rest of the journalistic world, and here you've gone and done exactly the same thing, skimming the facts to generate the mass hysteria we've seen in all of the above postings.
<pub landlord>shame on you El Reg, shame on you!</pub landlord>
So they've taken the #1 thing I hated about the iphone (ultimately the reason I have a droid now) and are extending it to the Mac. Might be time to learn Linux!
At least its optional now, but how many OSX versions before that's taken away - for our own "good" :-(
If you've used Windows 7 and Vista you'll notice they do the same. They show a warning about not being able to verify the identity of the software etc.
There *IS* a valid security argument there and, if that is the genuine reason for this and the restrictions don't creep in any further, then it is arguably a good thing.
However, I think it is likely that this is a step toward locking the OS down. If it is not intended that way at this stage, I think when there are only one or two small steps left to take to get the OS locked down and the users have gotten used to it, those steps will be taken and the locking down will be completed.
Again though, in this industry, *anything* could happen between now and then: the Apple users could revolt and Apple could implode, they could have a change of heart and go in a completely different direction with both the Macs and the iDevices.
signed software is good to a point
Works well on Linux, having a single application to manage all your software and get new stuff is a good idea (even though the App Store is hideous as unless you specifically know the name of the thing you want, you'll never find it) as it's convenient.
But if they decide that all software has to be installed this way as a download with the Apple Tax then it's game over for me. But there is no alternative, Microsoft are adopting a similar model and whilst Linux is fine as a server or basic desktop it'll always be poor for commercial applications, you're never going to see ProTools running under Linux for example without an emulator. Yes there will be Linux equivalents but they're very poor by comparison as they're not compatible with all the propriety plug-ins that are needed to make them worthwhile.
Mountain Lion? I would have called it Cougar! Rawr
Playing catch up
Gatekeeper is just playing catch up to Microsoft who have shown warnings about unsigned apps for years now (Vista/7).
But of course, since it is Apple doing it there will be tons of hysteric posts about walled gardens etc.
We blokes in the country are always being forgotten
I foresee big problems with naive users in the country where dial-up -- and bloody slooooooow dial-up at that -- is the norm. The inconvenience of a few warnings is piffle compared to waiting for big downloads.
Re: We blokes in the country are always being forgotten
The hilarious thing is I went and purchased Lion on memory stick to save on downloading the huge file. Thought this would save time downloading.
Except the bleeding thing then needed to download a 1gb update once it had installed. Doh!
What the hell is this tosh?
Gatekeeper - like windows defender then.
Messages - like instant messenger then.
Gamecentre - seriously how many people use this?
10.7 looked pointless but this is even worse...
Unless Adobe and AVID/Digidesign intend to put their apps exclusively in the App store, I don't see it happening. The graphics and music businesses are huge customers for Apple products. I doubt they intend to cut them off or hem them into to trying to make their gigantic file size apps exclusively available as app store downloads. And in the case of ProTools, this is also complicated by the need to have a USB iLock, if you're buying a full version of the software. You can't download a USB device online. So I don't see ProTools being an app store exclusive. ProTools does run on Windows as well and I do not think Apple wants Commercial Studios replacing Apple hardware.
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