Apple has told the Dutch court it expects Samsung to write to all its European dealers recalling Galaxy phones and tablets, with stock to be returned within 14 days at Samsung's expense. The letter, seen by Dutch publication Webwereld, requires all stocks to be immediately shipped back to the Netherlands (where Samsung handles …
Samsung are the most successful Android OEM
Latecomer Samsung may be to tablets, but Apple are picking on Samsung because they're selling the most "Android stuff" and thus pose the biggest threat to their iPad/iPhone business. Notice how as well as the tablet, Apple is also targeting the phenomenally successful Galaxy S line of phones in other lawsuits.
No, I get the impression that Apple are quite scared really and are trying anything they can to get one over on the competition. And with the next version of Android due before the end of the year things are only going to get worse for them if that's the way they continue to behave.
The public don't understand patents unless they are for something really revolutionary. When it comes to nit picking they think it is nonesense. What they do understand is choice and cost. Trying to prevent people buying an android tablet because it looks a bit like an iPad will get a lot of people annoyed, even very annoyed. This could be a PR disaster. So how worried must Apple be? Or how arrogant have they become?
A design doesn't need to be revolutionary to be patented. It is required to be new and non-obvious.
Patent Offices grant patents based on this criteria. Sadly they also grant broad brush patents that stop development of related equipments.
A few suggested changes :
Patents should be required to be Specific, novel, non-obvious and TIME BOUND. Time bound in that if the patent design is not used to make a marketed product within a reasonable limit it is lapsed and becomes public domain.
The Apple v Samsung spitting match is not about patents. It is about the look and feel of the tablet devices. It is more akin to copyright.
Just waiting for HP/Compaq to add the big slapdown once and for all.
After all the iPad from the front kind of looks like a black version of this -
No involvement from M$
The iPad looks like a HP TC1100 (great machine) to me with a black bezel instead of a gray one. I guess M$ hasn't backed Samsung because they're happy for Android to be put down/stunted until Windows 8 comes out
This sort of chickenshit anti-competitive bollocks is the EXACT reason I stayed away from Microsoft products for a long time.
Unlike Microsoft ca. 1994, I truly think your product can compete on merit. I've seen it and I like it. Microsoft had good reason to fear competition because their products at the time were steaming piles. The iPad isn't.
I used to like Apple. Now, not so much. Thank you for reminding me that corporations might sometimes deserve my business, but they NEVER deserve my loyalty.
I have not only boutht Apple kit including iPhone, MacBooks and iMacs in the past - I have also recommended them to friends and customers. However, this behaviour is just not acceptable.
I hereby officially declare, that I will not only never buy anything produced by Apple again, but I will also tell anyone asking me (and a lot of people are) not to buy any Apple gear. That includes corporate customers.
Nice idea but are you sure?
I've taken the same decision to avoid Apple products a while ago, when I noticed that they had become the new Microsoft.
In principle avoiding giving any more of our hard earned cash to Apple seems simple. Just don't buy an iPhone, Macbook or Apple TV. However even if you buy the "Acme Internet Access Tray Model 2" you cannot guarantee that you won't still be giving money to Apple.
Apple has a huge patent portfolio relating to mobile and computing devices. Chances are that almost any wireless or touchscreen mobile device manufacturer will be paying a few cents (somewhere along the line), on each unit sold to their customers, to our friends at Apple (or MS or Google-Motorola for that matter). Hence our desire to never give Mr Jobs and his friends some of our money ever again, is a dream that is unlikely to be fullfilled.
If that is what you want, you will have to accept that you must stop buying all internet enabled devices until you can be certain exactly who gets a slice of the purchase price.
Apple protecting their idenity (non-fanboi, engineer)
I had the misfortune to have a crappy Dell Venue Pro Windows 7 phone and it sucked. Big time. It looked and on paper was great. I had it for 3 months and the Bluetooth audio was distorted, it suffered with death-grip, it would make calls all by itself and make using the screen extra difficult once it realised that you were driving. My old Nokia 7130 ended up replacing it for use in the car. The rendering of Youtube videos was crap and there was so much wrong with the thing.
It was an iPhone wannabe with the speaker at the bottom of the phone and the two ports, glass screen and the "sent from my Windows 7 phone" sig which I thought was really naff.
Dell tried to woo customers from Apple to their crap phone by trying to offer a similar experience - but it didn't work. On the flip-side, I have an iPhone 4 and it does everything is is supposed to do. Flawlessly. I can get apps for it for ham radio to do things like track satellites and give me my location square (look up Maidenhead locator) and there are apps to encode and decode digital data communication modes. Nothing for the Windows platform.
Apple are protecting an ecosystem that they have produced and there is shit on the market to try to steal their share. I can understand them protecting their market against crap wanabee's.
BTW - The iPhone is the only piece of Apple stuff I have - Other stuff is either Sony or HP mainly running Ubuntu.
That's an interesting story...
...but other than mentioning Apple I'm afraid I'm at a loss to see where it's relevant to the article. You didn't like a Windows 7 phone and bought an iPhone 4 instead, which you like. That's great! I'm delighted for you.
What has it to do with Apple borging all rounded-cornered rectangles, though?
Oh my ....Good news everybody!
Maidenhead locator is available free on android markets.
You can now un-Jobs yourself.
Don't worry, it's just the commentard who calls himself "SteveBalmer" using an entirely unrelated story to try to slate Microsoft again.
You learn to spot the telltale signs after a while.
Apple = Shit Scared
I just wish the mass media would get a hold of this one. It bring the whole 'patent troll' thing to the attention of the general public.
Galaxy Tabs still on sale in Germany
In the shops, advertising, etc. Good publicity for Samsung. Tempted to get one myself just to see what the fuss is about but I think I'll wait for the 9" one. Smaller and lighter and better for listenting to TMS on the balcony!
The people who will buy ithings are not going to be put-off by the legal handwringing.
The people who won't buy ithings, or cannot afford to buy them, or will not buy them anyway are not going to pay any attention to the legal handwringing either.
If I had the dosh I'd buy one (ipad).....because the iphone I have has worked for 2 years with no problems....which is better than noksamhtcsonmot have ever done....
Maybe apple just don't want the sampad to be associated with the ipad in the case of the sampad being an unreliable bag of brown stuff ?
Your cover is blown
How in the hell did you come up with THAT argument? Apple is trying to sue the Samsung tablet out of existence because they're afraid it will suck? You need to step away from your Apple devices while posting on this thread. The reality distortion field is obviously messing with your logic parsing abilities.
If the Galaxy tab were to suck, it would be more reason why people should ONLY buy iPads. It wouldn't scare people away from the iPad. By your logic, why isn't Apple suing the makers of the truly sucky tablets? Coby has a 7" and 10" Android tablets, and I can tell you from personal experience that they suck, despite the fact that they're supporting those famous rounded corners that magically make everything swazy. Why isn't Apple going after them?
Invert your argument, and you've got it right. Apple is going after the Galaxy tablets because they DON'T suck. Apple says screw the consumer, screw choice, screw the spirit of competition, lets just litigate them out of existence. When there's no viable alternative, surely everyone will love us!
If Apple's lawyers successfully managed to block 'sales' of the Galaxy Tab, would it also extend to blocking retailers from giving them away... "Free Galaxy Tab" with all sales of this £399 lollipop...
yes. yes it would.
that dodge was rendered void under every reasonable legal system about a week after the first joker thought of it, which was a hell of a long time ago. so yes. yes it would.
Nice Job Jobs
I didn't even want one of the Galaxies, but now you banged on about it so much I may just have to.....
Just take any settlement money Apple makes...
...and apply it as a down payment to their Contempt of Court fine for submitting blatantly falsified evidence (resized photos of the tab to make them look like iPads).
Apple marketeers are the force behind the brand
We all know that tablets were available before the iPad was released.
Apple marketeers made the iPhone desirable to the spivs. The spivs hail Apple and because it's expensive, makes them feel special. The spivs now believe the hype spouted by the Apple marketeers.
Apple release iPad and the spivs believe that Apple invented tablet computing.
It's just spivs being spivs because the marketeers have elevated them to believing they are something more than just a spiv.
Anyone with 1 brain cell realises that Apple products are not and do not make you elite, but that they are technical illiterates and simply gullible.
I want my old Jobs back!
When I first moved over to Apple, I used a Fujitsu Lifebook, running XP to the run a network. One day, an iMac turned up, and within a week, I was sold, I loved my new iMac (although I kept the lifebook for out of the office jobs)
I brought a MacBook for home use - it wasn't much more than the Samsung I was considering, and it had a multi-touch trackpad. I was flabbergasted.
Not so much anymore.
I want my old Apple company back. The one that didn't suck.
Jobs was always a little turd.
Even in the pre-Apple days when working at Atari he would pull stunts like cheating his best friend out of bonus awards paid for code optimisation (by neglecting to mention Woz had actually been the one that did most of the work when he submitted the code).
The only difference now is he is a big turd with a lot of tame lawyers making up his own personal bully-mob.
xp -imac-first time
Kids these days...
it would be simple
Samsung to Apple: Oopsie, we seem to have a bit of manufacturing problems with that A4 and A5 chip right now. Next shipment of thoses chips will be somewhere late 2110 ... probably on a thursday ... in the late afternoon. around 4.30 ... -ish.
Thinking about the Gtab too.
Fail for Odd Job.
Shurely shome mishtake...pooossy.
Looks like Apple have distorted the Samsung Galaxy S II as well
apple can "expect" all they want but there is no legal basis for this, until there is a valid ruling banning the sale then samsung and their dealers can do what they want, this would only apply when and if a valid injunction is awarded. the dutch application hasn't been heard yet and the german one suspended so this only applies to germany at the mo
i think the courts won't react well to apple posturing and telling the courts what to do and they'll be thrown out on their ears
The probably think,
because MS used to get away with it, they jolly-well can too.
But that was in the US, and in a different century.
might be missing the point here
Design is often protected under law, to the extent that, if consumers could easily confuse the two items, then the copycat must cease and desist. And keep in mind that most consumers aren't tech-savvy in the least, anymore that we, as tech site readers, are fashion-conscious in the least.
The fact that
Apple had to doctor the photos to "prove" the devices looked similar puts that idea down pretty hard.
Two can play at this game
I photoshopped a picture of Steve Jobs driving my car. Now I'm suing him for identity theft.
Not a clone
There are lots of different products out there that look and handle similarly, not to mention modern cars that all seem to have the same features and do very much the same thing, namely transport people from place to place. I understand that the new-fangled television thing causes most receivers of pictures and sound to look very much alike also. I believe this situation is called........er........let me think now.......ah yes - COMPETITION! Seems Apple can't hack it (pun intended). I would love to see Apple really slapped for this one. Arrogance is not the word.
Hadn't heard much about this Samsung tablet before, but now I really want to see what is so good that Apple don't want it. It must be really good.
Semi-serious note: Patent wars are not good for us as consumers, not in the long run. Can anything be done to stop these juggernauts lining the pockets of already overly wealthy company law layers?
iAnyone else think that Ipod sounds awfully like IPAQ
(For you young uns) dispite the "I" prefix it was released by compaq about a year before Apple released their first "I" item if memory serves me...
Wonder why Samsung havent just gone for prior art, Im sure my old one had rounded edges.... also had wifi and the ability to surf the web and was touch screen....
They even managed to put a workable phone in some versions. (I'll let you decide which im talking about ;) )
Re: Wonder why Samsung havent just gone for prior art?
Because all this so-far is happening /before/ Samsung gets their chance to respond in court, AFAIK.
And I think there was a lawsuit about this?
Apple being sued because they used the "i" .. or was it because of "pod". Yes, I think it was the use of "pod" that someone objected about.
seriously Apple... just **** off.
If your products are as great as your army of fan boys constantly bang on about, the competition however good is a none issue.
Although I'm a Apple hardware free zone currently, I've always been open to the idea - but with arguments like this and the whole Adobe Flash joke... screw you jobs.
Apple are by no means alone in been complete asses of the multinational world - they just seem to be taking it to a whole new level.
They can have my S2
...when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
Time for Jobs' liver to go on holiday; the man's a menace far exceeding Bill.
apple got one thing right
Don't get me wrong, but apple do have a solid case for samsung copying the appearance of the bottom row of 4 icons that is part of samsungs custom skin on their android phones. Samsung should be ordered to issue a mandatory update that replaces this with a unique design within say the next 4 weeks or face a fine. As for all of apple's the other complaints, what a load of dross! They should be thrown out and apple fined for wasting the court's time. In the meantime samsung a raking in hugeamounts of free publicity and you can bet their sales have gone through the roof. Major back fire for saint jobs of cupertino there i would say.
no they dont
creative had that goin on years ago with the 4 icons at the base of the screen for their devices
Well if that is the case then apple have lost the last leg for them to stand on. No wonder they have to rely on "accidental" alterations to their evidence.
> "And there I was thinking that the whole point of a free market was self-optimization through competition."
An uncontrolled free market _always_ tends towards monoply and restrictive trade practices.
The USA, for all their crowing about free markets, have intervened many times over the last 150 years to curb this tendency.
This madness will lead to another "Great Correction", the only question is when it'll occur.