back to article Diary of a Not-spot: One man's heroic struggle for broadband

Bringing connectivity to rural areas can involve lobbying MPs and signing petitions, but it can also involve knocking on doors, digging up sheep fields and climbing around on the roof in search of bandwidth. Over the last seven years I've tried all the alternatives, from satellite broadband to community networks, not to …

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  1. M.A
    Go

    why not

    become a radio amature 400 watts should solve your problem at freqs near to the ones you want.

  2. jonfr
    Boffin

    Parabolic wlan antenna

    You need a parabolic wlan antenna. You have to build it your self and all. But this type of antenna should give you the range and the signal strength that you need for wlan communications for up to 10 km if your antenna is big enough.

    Here are some basic instructions for this, http://www.educypedia.be/electronics/Wlan-antenna/wlan-antennas2.htm

  3. The Fuzzy Wotnot
    Pint

    Not all bad news

    I remember staying in Hilton of Cadboll about 30 miles NE of Inverness for a couple of weeks. Had to climb up the hill behind the house just to get 2 bars on my mobile, best and most relaxing holiday I've had in years!

    Had to drive about 6-7 miles to get GPRS on my Voda-dongle, fantastic stuff!

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Go

    Euro Solution: RONJA IR Link

    The Czech prove to be worth their two cents here, with some ingenious low-end technology doing great things:

    http://ronja.twibright.com/

    The Austria-Hungary Empire still has something left....

  5. Morat

    Jesus Christ, read the specs

    Those Solwise boxes have TWO antennas. One is the omni sitting on top that you are all preaching about and the other is the 16Db panel which is internal and VERY directional. Those boxes will EASILY cover 5km without any pratting around with old satellite dishes, cantennas or other relics.

    The problem here is the Fresnel zone, he needs more height not more gain.

  6. Colin Critch
    Happy

    Why not use a repeater in the middle of the field?

    Why not use a repeater in the middle of the field?

    A 2 or 3 Draytek AP-700 (with lead acid battery and a solar panel) in repeater mode.

  7. SImon Hobson Bronze badge

    Doesn't anyone read ?

    Even after it's been pointed out more than once, people are still saying he should have used directional antennas. These units DO have a directional antenna built in - that's why they have a funny shaped front. On these, the R-SMA connection on top is connected to the 2.4G radio the unit also has - though I'm not quite sure as you can't use both at the same time.

    And to all those suggesting the DIY approach with Pringles cans and old Sky minidishes, why ? You can buy high gain antennas off the shelf that are a) ready made, and b) far more likely to work without a lot more experimentation. Whatever external antenna is used, the 8610 will need the cover opening up to connect the external connector to the correct radio.

    Mind you, the 8610 has now been superceded by the 5610 which has both better TX power and Rx sensitivity.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      sure

      sure people read, they also like actually trying these things for real rather than just reading, and its clear a panel aerial while good for point to Multipoint in a given direction, these dish and cantana are Far More Focused and so More suited to this Point to single point usage.

      but even using internal/external panels for this LOS 5km stretch doesn't explain the crap 300Kb/sec max he says its getting from these 22 Mbit /s max rated Real throughput these old 11g solwise radio's are rated for.

      he states its still an ongoing project so he's far better off looking to hook up and test a few cheap 11N single aerial (non MIMO dual etc) USB sticks inside a cantana, ready made if he's got more money than common sense (southern English) , or home make (we assume he's a real scot remember LOL) and an hours work....

      1. SImon Hobson Bronze badge
        FAIL

        Sigh ... (RE: Sure)

        FFS I didn't say there weren't better antennas available than the panel ones built into these units. A pair of them should work reasonably well as a point-point link - and they should work over this distance. The same units can be used with an external antenna just by moving a link inside (attach the pigtail to the 5.8G wireless port).

        What I do stand by is using a ready made antenna rather than p*ssing about with Pringle cans etc. Unless you know just what you are doing, I very much doubt you'll improve on a factory made antenna designed and built by companies employing people who actually understand radio ! You can get a variety of antennas up to about 30dBi off the shelf - but then you are down to fairly narrow beamwidths.

        And I guess you didn't read either the article or the specs or the comments. These units are NOT 11g, they are 11b/g OR 11a. By default the internal panel antenna is connected to the 11a radio, and the external socket to the 11b/g radio. A software setting switches between them - they don't have simultaneous operation in two bands. By disconnecting the internal panel and connecting the pigtail to the 11a modem, you can use an external antenna for the 11a band. The EXT version omits the panel altogether and simply has an R-SMA socket for an external antenna.

        Lest you think I'm just talking from armchair experience, I have a number of these 8610 and 5610 units in use and in stock. Going on the roof of the two story office building was "interesting" for an acrophobic like me !

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Alert

    Earth?

    I hope that antenna is suitably earthed, or your insurance is all paid up.

  9. John 62
    Dead Vulture

    be careful up there

    If it can happen to Rod Hull it can happen to anyone.

    RIP Rod Hull, RIP :'(

  10. No, I will not fix your computer

    I'd have gone for the 8610 EXT

    Stuck a couple of 20dB dishes on them, OK a tad more expensive and lining up would have been more of a pain (use GPS for height and a simple compass for direction or use your OS map), but the extra 4dB and reduced frenzel would have been more than worth it maybe even the magic number 2Mb you're looking for (and still legal... just).

  11. Anonymous Coward
    IT Angle

    Why not ask Claire to bring up the sites you want...

    ...and she can take a photo of them for you, and, once the SD card is full, you can pick it up from her house, and drop off a new empty SD card.

    That could work.

  12. Glenn Charles

    Thank you, my admiration, and congratulations.

    That was superbly well-written. There was a great deal of valid information in it--and ingenuity shown. It was extremely funny...and there wasn't even the slightest trace of an expletive. That last bit puzzles me, but o well.

    8]

    --Glenn

  13. Vyruss
    Black Helicopters

    Couple of DirecTV dishes and DD-WRT bridges

    My parents live at the top of a ridge, surrounded by rocks and the phone/cable company were unwilling to install DSL or Cable networking without my parents shelling out $$$ of bucks. They were still on dial-up until I came up with a solution.

    I modified a couple of DirecTV dishes and mounted a bi-quad antenna to each. On the back-end, I setup a pair of Linksys WRT54G routers (reimaged and using DD-WRT firmware), configuring each to be bridge repeaters. Both devices powered via PoE adapters. At my end, I installed the Cat-5 cable between the Linksys/PoE adapter to my PoE switch inside my house. At my parents end, I did something of the same but also added a wireless access point inside the house as well.

    Using the DirecTV dish with the bi-quad antenna, the 2.4Ghz signal is amplified from the measly 3dbs to nearly 35dbs, thus providing a longer and much stronger wireless connection. Since my house is at the bottom of the ridge, but has near line of sight (NLOS) pathing to their receiver dish, I can actually transmit (broadcast) my wireless bridge signal the entire 5 miles easily. Wireless signal strength remains very high, except if there is rain or fog, but other than that, my parents are getting a stream of about 54MB/sec across my internal network to the Internet.

    Similar instructions (how-to) can be seen at this website as well...

    How-To: Build a WiFi biquad dish antenna:

    http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/15/how-to-build-a-wifi-biquad-dish-antenna/

    1. Wayland Sothcott 1

      dd-wrt a very cool DIY solution

      That's a very cool solution, especially using TV dishes.

      However much easier to buy a couple of nanostations.

  14. GeorgeTuk
    Stop

    This annoyed me most...

    "Before I could spend money on something more reliable, Anthony called up to say he'd gone off the idea.

    Given I'd signed a 12-month contract to provide him with ADSL, I wasn't amused, though more shocked than angry. We saw the couple a few times after that, but within a month they had receded entirely and decided to home school. These days they blank us in the street and ignore us if we talk to them."

    What a couple of gits...I would have cancelled after about 2 months, paid the rest just to spite them...and make the company ask for their equipment back so they hassle the owners of address for everything.

    You have to do it a few weeks after the relationship soured just in case!

    1. Wayland Sothcott 1
      Coat

      When people see you struggle...

      .... they sometimes want nothing to do with you, fearing you will drown then too.

      This man needs our support, not people crushing his attempts.

      I know how you feel, I certainly would not have continued to pay for their broadband.

  15. Wayland Sothcott 1

    5km line of sight :-)

    Keep trying, it should work fine at this distance.

    Once you have a link go back to the other end and improve that. Maybe better antenna, better radio or more power or more height. Then go back to the first end and repeat. If you get a signal strength of -80db or better (-70db perfect) then you will have the Clares full Internet bandwidth available.

    Also talk to Geoff at MS Dist, his Nanostations are great.

  16. Herby
    Joke

    This ALMOST sounds like...

    An episode of BOFH and his troubles. With a little help, we could add in the boss (neighbor next door) and the pub down the street. A little help from Claire and it is set.

  17. Simon B
    Thumb Up

    Excellent reading

    An excellent article! as for Zen Internet, i've always found them quick to solve very rare problems with our connection (if I get 1 outage a year it's an unusual event! 2 or more is unheard of.)

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