In 2013, the earth will be attacked from space, with one possible outcome being mind-bogglingly severe disruption to our tech-centric way of life. "The sun is waking up from a deep slumber, and in the next few years, we expect to see much higher levels of solar activity," says Richard Fisher, head of NASA's Heliophysics Division …
I for one.....
welcome our new solar based overlords and would like to invite them for tea and biscuits
OMG It's pedantogeddon!
Thanks to all lovers of the late Jimmy Edwards. At the risk of being pedantic my original post described a solar storm as a cloud of charged *particles* mostly Protons.
That's Proton with an "r", not Photon with an "h".
By "Fraction of the speed of light" I should have included the word "significant". Given I was talking about sub atomic particles I thought it was pretty obvious they'd be moving *fairly* fast, outside of a particle trap. A quick BOTE (93 million miles to Sun, roughly 15 mins warning) gives a cloud speed of about 0.55c.
While there is likely to be a radiation, visible and UV release as well (which I think is what the NASA probe can see, hence the early warning) it's the particles which may be the most damaging. Fast moving with high momentum they will take quite a lot of stopping, producing *lots* of ionization in the upper atmosphere.
BTW thanks for that nice quantum description of Cherenkov radiation.
My apologies for my lack of clarity.
Your BOTE is wrong
The warning is the time gap between the light speed signals reaching us and the slower particles reaching us, so the total time is 8+15minutes to travel 8 light minutes, so about 1/3 c
Save me, Touchdown Jesus in the sky
Today I will be with you in Luddite paradise.
Ain't all so fragile.
Whatever happens, there will be plenty of hams around with old shortwave tube rigs, car batteries, and diesel generators.
"Whatever happens, there will be plenty of hams around with old shortwave tube rigs, car batteries, and diesel generators."
I am reminded of some of the sort of precautions that EMP hardening would need. Perhaps now would be time to start a modest investment in Faraday caging some of your kit as well, along with a meaty line in lightning surpressors.
"plenty of hams around"
Good. So we won't starve in the post-apocalyptic wasteland then?
Tell me there'll be mustard and picallili too......please......?
We all know modern telecom networks are made primarily of fiber glass. Now, imagine those heinous magnetic fields inducing SEVERE currents into that glass.
What you say ? Glass is an insulator and doesn't care much about magnetic fields ? Dammn, I have to find a new way to fund my solar research satellite...
Correct me if I'm wrong (which considering my earlier pedantic machinations I'm sure I am - someone's law is bound to apply here) BUT don't the little glass wires connect to things with metal wires in?
Only a few months ago we were reading that the Sun's magnetic field is steadily declining towards a level below which, we believe, it can't produce any spots. Why should it suddenly produce gigantic bursts of civilisation-ending EMP from such a low-energy state? Another Maunder minimum (and all that that implies) would seem to be a lot more likely.
In anycase, any fule no that civilisation will *already* have ended by 2013, on Dec 21st 2012 at 11:11 am. Unless, of course, all the conspiracy theories are just conspiracy theories ;)
You just wait it the 19th of January 2038
Y2K is going to look like a picnic
It's all lies
We're actually going to be playing host to a series of Disaster Area concerts.
just remember Quirkafleeg, "DON'T PANIC" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yROdY8hUUvU
2 years until the internet breaks?
2 years until the internet breaks?
I best stock up on porn then!
Well The Gods (Early Techno Advance Humans Who Visited) had it right
We will be destroyed by fire this time around Darn! They were right!
i shall apply the media hype filter
and believe it when it happens. Contrast:
Katrina --- no problem, we have it all under control, the dykes (dikes?) will hold etc, FAIL!
Y2K --- we're all going to die, civilization will come to an end, the mongols will invade, return of the dark ages, etc. Nada, nothing, zipall. And no I did nothing to ``fix'' the problem. My computers all survived, except for one whose disk got corrupted because an arsehole turned the power off ``just in case'' without properly shutting down.
Sumatran tsunami --- heard absolutely nothing about this until after the fact. Media had nothing to say. Thousands died.
Gulf Oil spill --- drill baby drill, go right ahead, BP are experts they have it under control, licenses to fuck up the environment were being handed out by the US government. Media hype before the fact was that we're running out of oil, civilization will end unless we find more oil.
Basically, if the media hypes it before the fact, it's not going to happen or will fail in the opposite direction. If the media ignores it, run for the hills! I'm not concerned about sunspots, aliens stole my brain long since, which is a constant source of worry I read nothing about in the paper..
As far as I can determine, there is no prediction by NASA or anyone else that the solar maximum in 2013 will be worse than the one in 1991. The conference in question is mostly about contingency planning, not forecasting. The whole story seems to be a worst case scenario confused for fact.
I'm walkin' on sunshine, yeah yeah...
Just tell me when, I'll unplug. It'll pass...
FWIW, I saw an aurora here (Brittany) about five years ago. Was coming back from seeing a friend and the sky seemed to me to be bright shimmering red. I was told I'd obviously had too much to drink. Fast forward to the next day when it was in the newspaper. Nerr!
What we are talking about
Is a Coronal mass ejection, which was not known about until the 1970s.
The boffins advise that the satellites that give us GPS,TV programs , communication,monitoring of oceans , weather etc will suffer severely in a direct hit ot right polarity.
No laughing matter then.
Please turn left here.
No, I meant right.
Wait, I really meant left. I'm sure, left.
So long as Duke Nukem Forever has been released
I don't mind.
If she floats she's a witch
Having followed the entertaining debate about global warming sparked by this article it seems that the only thing we can do is wait and see what happens on that front. If civilisation is wiped out because the planet is no longer habitable then we'll know there is a problem and can start planning what to do about it. The alternative would be to risk improving the global environment for everyone and everything for no gain whatsoever.
As for the solar storms; like everyone else I now confuse critical thinking with not believing anything anyone says, ever. There clearly will not be a problem and all contingency planning is a waste of time. If I'm right.
It is obvious what is going on.
The Cybermen are altering the weather conditions on the sun in preparation for their next attack on earth.
list of fucked things
Actually the bees that someone wanted added might welcome any increase in solar activity that decreases mobile phone usage.
There was a post somewhere about a study that linked Mobile Phone signals to Colony Collapse Disorder.
So the bees are probably trying to make like butterflies and get something stirred up in the atmosphere so we don't manage to make contingencies for any surge in solar activity!
Oh and Paris because I'm sure she's clever enough to mention it was all because of sunspots, and because there was an 11 year low of her in the threads previous and I had to make up for it....
Just disconnect one end of the CERN proton punisher and point it at the sun.
there's always got to be a 'panic'
towards the end of the last solar maximum there was an estimated X45 flare / CME that luckily, was not pointed at Earth .. that had the potential to temporarily destroy the Earth's magnetic field on the side of the Earth it hit and let in a huge dose of dangerous radiation , heating up the atmosphere .. causing 300nph winds .. potentially killing 100s of millions of people and a proportional amount of land animals (obviously)
So there is a very small risk, and one we have no control over
The science, however, shows that the extremely low activity in this minimum will translate to a low activity at the maximum .. so the risk is lower than at least the last 2 solar maximums
as far as global warming .. the factor not considered is the increase of relative humidity that has gone right up with the CO2 levels .. which is now resulting in higher snow falls and more rain over all ..
the tie in is that because the solar activity has been so extraordinarily low, the Earth, actually the whole solar system is receiving more gamma radiation from the rest of the galaxy , which, interestingly enough, causes more clouds to form
an Ice Age is about precipitation , not "cold" per se' ..
we are near the end of the warm period of the glacial cycles .. been there for about 8000 years with several fluctuations hotter than it is now .. including the medieval warming period
when we will head back down in temperature to the next big Ice Age is debatable .. maybe it started 3 years ago .. maybe it won't happen for 2000 years .. but it WILL happen
and the advancing ice and cold will kill off a a lot more of humanity, mostly from massive crop failure, than even the worst predictions of global warming effects
the idea that the Earth will keep just getting warmer and warmer, which overall has been a GOOD thing for humanity .. is complete hypothesis .. there is NO historical basis for that happenning .. CO2 levels were many times higher several million years ago .. resulted in the biggest explosion of life in the planet's history .. dinosaurs .. giant plant life ..
you could actually make a case that the ecosystem is CO2 starved .. and there are studies showing that biomass has been increasing significantly because of the CO2 rise .. about 7% between 1990 and 2000 according to UN studies, increase in world wide biomass!
you can make the case that the word wide food supply might be way short if there had not been this increase of CO2 .. when was the last time we had millions starve to death because of lack of food, despite the increase of population ? (other than political and distribution problems)
a couple of severe winters, even one really bad one .. and there would easily be millions starve
ok .. we should prepare for dangerous solar flares .. and to a great degree, critical satellites have been hardened and some planning has been made regarding electrical grids .. that's all we can do, and should
2013 instead of 2012? Or not
What we'll learn from this in two years time is that NASA have their predictions out by a year...:P
All You Non Believers ...
... might want to read this.
On the bright side
Superman will get stronger.
What are you goin' to do..
..well me I am going to stand under the King of Kings statue at the Solid Rock Church Ohio. It is obviously a good lighting conductor so will drain away the aural field before it gets me. I will not be wearing a tin foil hat, these pesky pointed bits keep sticking through and spoil the effect.