Apple may have decided against the appellation 'iTablet' - one of the rumoured names for the product now known as the iPad - but that hasn't stopped UK computer supplier X2 claiming the name for its own. The iTablet range comprises at least two models: one with a 12in, 1024 x 768 display, the other with a 10.2in screen of the …
It's got a webcam!
Seems like some frothers round here discount the benefit of a webcam on the grounds you can only use it to take the odd low-res snap. These technical wonders / blunders can in fact be used for things other than taking photos you know. There's this little known program called Skype that use these things to take moving pictures... of your face! Imagine that.
While I agree Windows isn't the fluid experience of Apple iWhatevers, they're actually still quite easy to use with the touch enhancements. But hey, if you've never used one don't let that stop you making uneducated comments! Oh, and there is multitouch support in 7 for those that have missed this little factoid. As a cost cutting exercise I bet this thing doesn't have the screen hardware to use it though.
Has anybody mentioned
That's it's XP instead of Windows 7?
Ha ha ha
This will be popular with people that want to show Apple what's for. They will buy it, find that the interface doesn't really work with fingers. No problem they'll get a stylus, because everyone wants to use a stylus don't they. Its so natural. Then they'll find that it doesn't quite hack it for writing emails and suchlike. That's not a problem though, its got bluetooth, so they'll get a keyboard. Hey look at this Apple. Damn, typing and doing other stuff on the interface doesn't quite work. I'll get a mouse. Now look I've got a screen with bluetooth mouse and keyboard running the same old Windows 7 on an underpowered and limited device. It's ok though, its not Apple.
Please save us from technologists with a lack of imagination. Sadly that includes most of the staff at El Reg.
Clearly havn't used windows 7
You clearly havn't used windows 7 on a touch screen it is so much better then i expected im going to but a $600 acer 20" touch screen. Seriously if you think about it the ipad is a pointless gimmick for the vast majority of potential customers. now a tablet running a proper OS thats far more use full.
You obviously haven't used win7's onscreen keyboard. It's better in almost every way to the one provided for in the apple product.
I can see keyboard aps for win7 popping up to fill niche needs.
No. That's not going to be a stumbling block for this product. This product is superior in almost every single conceivable way to the apple product.
You've never actually used a Tablet PC, have you?
Before you go bashing, try one out. Your over-active imagination has you seeing problems that aren't there. Running a proper OS doesn't mean that a Tablet PC has a useless, just like my owning a sniper rifle doesn't make me a killer.
Obviously not a head to head competitor to the iPad then - I know Apple seem to go to extremes to make things smaller than they really need to be, but I think this looks far too big. Maybe this is the laptop replacement device that so many geeks seem to want.
Surely that'll mean it'll be easily Linuxified. Depending on the price, I may actually want one of these.
How thick ?
35mm thick ? Thats about the same as my old laptop, and thats not very portable !
It's been photoshopped!!!!!
No, not the XP thing...
His fingers, either that or he's been repeatedly sticking different fingers up his bum.... look at his fingers (maybe he's a part time proctologist and can't afford gloves?), maybe he's the designer and he's been told to pull his finger out and make it?
...that no one's pointed out that it appears to be running Windows XP.
Windows XP? IE6? Not so much iTablet, more like iTimeMachine.
The reason tablets haven't taken off so far is that they have generally been rubbish, the interface to use them just doesn't work very well.
What Apple have done is made an appliance that does most of what your average internet user wants. They simplify their products, which of course infuriates the kind of people who post on here and Engadget. What people on here fail to realise time and time again is that the vast majority of people out there are not like them, they don't love computers and technology, they simply see them as a means to an end. They don't care if it has 3 USB ports, or if it can multitask, they care that it's easy to use, that it doesn't crash all the time, that it allows them to do what they want to do with the minimum of fuss.
The iTablet is heavy, will have a short battery life and I'd be stunned if it was cheaper than the iPad.
The iPhone and iPod succeeded, not because it was technically superior, but because the software it ran was so much better than the competition. So while on paper, all these PC tablets will seem technically superior to the iPad the user experience will be exactly the same as using a regular PC, and that is the iPads secret weapon, it will be just like using an iPhone or Touch, effortless and elegant.
I would also expect some degree of multitaking in OS 4
Another Fine Mess
If people wanted heavy, ungainly Windows tablets, they'd have bought the existing ones. But they didn't.
Hiding the keyboard doesn't make it any handier. It should come with its own trolley for portability.
They Just Don't Get It...
So they've taken a Windows laptop and made it "better" by removing the keyboard. Let's see what other "features" it has:
1a. Mechanical hard-drive => more fragile, louder, slower, requires more power, really needs a sudden motion sensor for when bumped/dropped
1b. Solid state drive => either *very expensive* or *very crap*
2. FAT32 file system => no files over 4GB (say bye bye to your HD mkv files)
3. Camera on back => no Skype/video-conferencing
4. 2kg => well, it saves on gym membership....
5. 802.11b/g => what, no 'n'?
6. No SD card reader (I don't care, but lots of iPad haters do)
7a. TN screen => why not IPS?
7b. IPS screen => yeah, right!
8. 1.6GHz Atom => hot, power hungry (relatively speaking)
9. Accelerometer? => does W7 even have support for such a thing?
11. Multi-touch? => again, does W7 support this?
But the best thing is surely:
12. Requires AV software!!
...and we all know how much fun that stuff makes our desktops!
Random title #7231
1a. Mechanical hard-drive <-- with the size, it most likely will contain a laptop hard drive yes, but it's not as if you're going to be throwing it around, the screen would break for a start
2. FAT32 file system <-- err, Windows XP and above use NTFS by default......
3. Camera on back <-- beats no camera at all
4. 2kg <-- still light enough
5. 802.11b/g <-- true, an oversight, maybe they will do an Apple and add N to version 2
6. No SD card reader <-- how do you know that? There is no reference
7a/b screen <-- again, no mention of the hardware specifics
8. 1.6GHz Atom <-- it's cool enough but fast enough to run Windows and Multi-Task, something that Apples CPU is unable to do, in fact, the iPad can't multi-task at all, maybe that explains the lack of Flash, the iPad's CPU is so underpowered, it can't actually run it.....
9. Accelerometer? <-- does OSX have support for such a thing? No, it comes from the software on the iPhone, so could they, I don't know, install software on the iTablet which has the same effect? Yes
10. GPS? <-- USB ports, 3G support, a myriad of ways to get GPS on it, and your choice of software too.
11. Multi-touch? <-- Yes, Windows 7 supports Multi-touch and it deals with it fantastically, all the little Aero touches too will come into their own, touch the title bar on screen, wiggle your finger and watch all the other windows minimize. Windows was doing Multi-touch over a decade ago.... (it's even in Windows XP oddly enough)
12. Requires AV software!! <-- Yes, it's one of the joys from having choice and in choosing an operating system used by oh, I don't know, lets say 93% of computer users (probably more, people who buy Macs tend to also buy Windows to get stuff done)
'5. 802.11b/g <-- true, an oversight, maybe they will do an Apple and add N to version 2'
But it's likely to be on a card so it's fairly trivial to upgrade yourself.
RE: Random title #7231
"4. 2kg <-- still light enough"
Say that after you've been holding it for a while.
"8. 1.6GHz Atom <-- it's cool enough but fast enough to run Windows and Multi-Task, something that Apples CPU is unable to do, in fact, the iPad can't multi-task at all, maybe that explains the lack of Flash, the iPad's CPU is so underpowered, it can't actually run it....."
Tripe. It can multitask perfectly well, as can the iPhone and iPod Touch. What it doesn't *allow* (big difference) is third-party apps to multitask, which a) makes life difficult for malware and b) improves battery life (which is the main reason).
"9. Accelerometer? <-- does OSX have support for such a thing? No, it comes from the software on the iPhone, so could they, I don't know, install software on the iTablet which has the same effect? Yes"
Actually Mac laptops have accelerometers: they're used to help protect the hard drives if dropped for one thing, so I suspect they must have OS support. See http://www.apple.com/pro/profiles/slork/for an alternative use.
"12. Requires AV software!! <-- Yes, it's one of the joys from having choice and in choosing an operating system used by oh, I don't know, lets say 93% of computer users (probably more, people who buy Macs tend to also buy Windows to get stuff done)"
Au contraire, I bought a Mac so I could get stuff done rather than spending most of my time pratting about with AV software etc on Windows. The Mac even shuts down when you tell it to, instead of telling you it's saving your settings (when you haven't changed any) and then telling you it's shutting down for about five minutes instead of actually doing it...
OSX does support an accelerometer
OSX does support an accelerometer. I have a screensaver on my mid-2007 MacBook which shows some water to half-way up the screen which moves about as I move my laptop.
1) yes, you would have to be fairly careful with it, which is more than I can say for most of the trials with the ipad/iphone. Though, I do recall some decent marks for a few sony products in drop tests.
2) NTFS isn't bad, but could still use some improvements.
3) why would you hold up something the size of a dan brown publication to take low resolution photos? this is the part of the arguement where you remind me that generic phone brand X has a 8.0 mp camera in it, and is the size of a bluetooth travel mouse.
4) light enough, but no lighter than a fully functional laptop WITH touch support of the same size, which is still not exactly any more portable than a hardcover of War and Peace.
5) I doubt they'll do a version 2, they'll do a completely differently designed model, when they realize there is little advantage to doing a tablet like this in contrast to a traditional model :/
6) SD, being as highly used and integrated as it is, would have popped up there right after the USB. While I wasn't impressed that apple passed that up, that certainly doesn't make me suspect that X2 would keep it off the initial specs as some "Secret weapon." But, who knows.
7) Again, fair enough, but wait for the pricepoint.
8) I would argue that point (actually, all of those points) on a few levels. Yes, the windows OS can multitask. Nobody will argue that point to you. Win 7 on an 1.6 (Underclocked closer to 800 MHZ in many cases) is not exactly a speed demon. I've run it on a few netbooks, and nettops, and in all cases it was lucky to score a 2 on microsofts UI "experience" tests. Adobe has admitted multiple times that Flash does not work nearly as well on Apple products as it has for MS ones, not that processor seems to even come into that remark. The lack of "multi-tasking" as you put it, is a little... well, no, it's pure crap. The iphone/ipod and yes ipad does multitask. MADNESS YOU SAY. No, it's not. it just doesn't keep the front end for the applications open like windowed tabs, at least for third party apps. But to my knowlegde, neither did any of the android or google phones :/ If you have any sort of resource management (like the old iStat pro) you could see the running processes for yourself. Frankly, at the speed at which it opens the apps, third party or otherwise, "multi-tasking" that you've pedestal placed, is not that big a deal.
9) Why would you need a desktop or laptop OS to have support for that? I don't think calling out apple for using a custom os which supports that hardware is exactly fair when none of the winmobile ones do, let alone their desktop full-fledged counterparts.
10) unnnn.. a GPS dongle for the USB would be ... a little cumbersome, and defeat the point of a "portable" and contained device like this. 3G also would require a costly contract, which if was otherwise not the case, apple would have simply done the same. Hardly a myriad at 2 self-complicating alternatives.
11) Touch sensitivity is no the same as multi-touch, and yes, there have been touch windows machines for a long time. although on the same breath, you could do touch mods for the mac for almost as long, since a touch screen is just an input device with software to match it, no different than any other peripheral. I don't recall a single table that featured the same "touch" support as became mainstreamed after the host of iphone, HTC, Android, Google, Sony, ect ect that got on board with kind of input... at least none of the ones I've owned ever have.
12) That was a weak arguement in the first place, but fair enough. Yes, you need to get AV software, not that there arn't plenty of free open source projects just as capable. You fired off a market share rebuttle, I get that. I wont get into the market margins vs home consumer use discussion, and how those numbers, much like sales numbers are skewwed, and you'll pass up the chance to talk about how apple figures also include sale of iphones too. We'll ignore the IT and retail chains that all run old clunker towers by IBM which handle exactly what their jobs need, and nothing more at an easily replaceable price, which makes up the vast majority of the "PC user demographic" because really, that would be unnecessary. I'll even keep it to myself about the host of people using PC's that don't use MS products for office, email, the web, AV, or even their music... what is that tune program again... after all, there are again, plenty of easily downloadable alternatives.
It's nice to have a pleasant chat with someone about a new product and it's features. It should be an fine laptop, priced accordingly when it comes out
Available in April?
Must be April 1st then....
They will get sued
There is a chinese tablet maker that will sue those guys. It even runs Windows XP, like the chinese one. I bet it also has 1.5 hours battery life. LOL
Electronista.com and others report that the X2 iTablet will be available with either Windows or Linux:
"There is a chinese tablet maker that will sue those guys. It even runs Windows XP, like the chinese one. I bet it also has 1.5 hours battery life. LOL"
Where do you think they will be getting it from?
To all those who have been waiting for this
you could have bought one for some 8 years now! At CeBit 2001 MS demoed PC's like this with and without keyboard.
wait.. I've seen you before!
What are we all getting so excited (and feather ruffled) for?
Folks, if you don't like Job's take on a tablet, don't buy the damn thing.. I've seen a variety of devices that ran Windows OS (take your pick), Linux, or even with a little prodding and EFI, Mac. They're honest-to-goodness 100% laptops, with touch screens, stylus and keyboard. THIS isn't new, it's not even that impressive, it just took away a 3mm thick keyboard component and trackpad.
I said this once already, and I'll say it again. The iPad isn't meant to be used as a desktop replacement - it's meant to replace an otherwise 4 times as heavy, twice as pricey and 3 times more complicated laptop for people who are just about only competant enough to go to facebook, email and youtube on their "computers." Give them a slimmed down idiot proof OS. Take away all sorts of control panel options for them to muck up (oh hell yes they will), let them simply play with this toy as God, or Jobs, or whomever, intended.
Now, I love tablets as much as the rest of you. They're a great tool in a host of many situtations, but one look at this thing and you can be almost certain, its going to fall along the same lines of cost, power, and features of 99% of it's predocessors. I'm sure it will be (as a laptop) on par with the rest of the pack, but will drive the cost up to match it. The one thing that might cut (a tiny bit) of the cost is the lack of input devices (aside from via touch) and the needed housing/swivel for the screen. wow, drop about 50$ of it's price.
The iPad is not meant to be your high end laptop. The iTablet is not meant to be your portable E-reader with high def video play back.
- Product round-up Ten excellent FREE PC apps to brighten your Windows
- Review Tough Banana Pi: a Raspberry Pi for colour-blind diehards
- Product round-up Ten Mac freeware apps for your new Apple baby
- Analysis Pity the poor Windows developer: The tools for desktop development are in disarray
- Chromecast video on UK, Euro TVs hertz so badly it makes us judder – but Google 'won't fix'