back to article New Labour bring old Nuremberg Laws to Britain

Police officers could find themselves on the wrong end of a citizen’s arrest if they follow advice issued by Home Secretary, Alan Johnson, after the European Court of Human Rights slapped the UK's stop and search laws. According to government lawyers, however, so long as officials are "only obeying orders", there is little the …

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  1. Throatwobbler Mangrove

    huh

    "The Nuremberg trials where unique in that they created new laws that where not in place when the acts/crimes where carried out, so they where retrospective, which is always illegal and just plain wrong"

    Nope - Mike Richards above you is correct. The Nuremburg laws (1935) were about racial purity, "miscegenation" etc. The important part of the Nuremburg trials (1945/6) was about individual criminal responsibility in international law and "I was only obeying orders [of a sovereign]" being inadequate as a defence *in international law*.

    Retrospectivity of the was-it-invented-on-the-spot-or-wasn't-it charge of Crimes Against Humanity was not actually a particularly pressing issue for those defendants and neither is it particularly relevant to stop and search. Also, while the US has a constitutional prohibition on retrospective laws, in the UK parliament is sovereign and retrospective laws are legal.

    In any case, the principle of legality (that the government cannot legalise its servants' breaking the law just by ordering them to) has bugger all to do with Nuremburg and goes back much further than WW2. Entick v Carrington is a 1765 English case that deals with similar territory: a government official cannot instruct his servants to search a private house without legal authority. There are probably even older cases that can be found...

    This would have been a good article to have El Reg's partners from Out-Law/Pinsent Mason comment on, instead of their usual inane commentary on cases in the US where they have no experience or expertise...

  2. John B 1
    Black Helicopters

    Gospodin, propusk pazhalsta!

    Don't forget as well that the courts will no longer reimburse successful defence costs: if the Gov't takes a violent dislike to you and fits you up, they win both ways. Either you go away, or you go bankrupt.

  3. Coltek

    Time for a Bill of Rights...

    ....And a proper Constitution.

    Nuff' said.

    1. kevin biswas
      FAIL

      Proper constitutuion ?

      Like the dysfunctional one the US-ians have ?

      1. SirTainleyBarking
        Grenade

        The practice

        may have got distorted over the years, but at least the founding fathers had good intentions, unlike our homegrown bunch of inbreds

  4. Sam Therapy
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    @ Coltek

    100% agreement here.

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