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The world of journalism is changing fast, and while the image-hungry internet demands ever more photographs, shrinking budgets mean the days of a hack going into the field with a snapper in tow are pretty much over. Much to the chagrin of harrumphing old school journos, editors will now regularly ask them to provide images as …

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  1. Roo
    Holmes

    How about a low-end DSLR ?

    A low-end DSLRs could fit the stated criteria... They are fairly cheap these days (compared to decent compacts) and I find the current crop to be light enough to carry around for a day. If you can tolerate the bulk I think they are the best option for fast point & shoot - particularly in low-light conditions.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: How about a low-end DSLR ?

      > A low-end DSLRs could fit the stated criteria...

      What about zoom? I have often wanted the better low light quality of a DSLR but I find a compact zoom with its 20x zoom really useful in a small package. As I understand it to get a similar zoom on a DSLR I would need a couple of lenses? Then it all gets a bit bulky.

      1. Sooty

        Re: How about a low-end DSLR ?

        You might want to look at micro four thirds cameras, they are generally full featured DSLRs but relatively compact. A 'standard' slow zoom kit lens will give a realtively good range, but if you want really good low light performance (wide aperture) on any zoom lens they start to get expensive.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    search for the holy grail continues

    I don't have the answer, however I've got a few comments.

    1 You need a viewfinder. And not a sticky up clip on one. Trying to get a shot with the sun on a screen is hopeless. Electronic viewfinders, ie mirrorless, can be laggy, mirrors work at the speed of light and are mature technology. Failing a mirror a parallax prone viewfinder is fine.

    2 It's got to write to it's medium fast. Partly you need a fast card, mostly you need a fast camera. I have a 'Leica' (ie a panasonic, met a good salesman...) D LUX 3 and it's slow almost to the point of uselessness. In a lot of other respects it's a lovely camera and I use it mainly because it's small. However I miss loads of shots because it's slow and has no viewfinder - squinting at a screen in adverse light with the wrong specs on just doesn't do it.

    3 Buy the lens, not the camera. Well ok, the camera has to be alright - see what this guy has to say. I have a (relatively) cheap Nikon DSLR. Nice camera, fast, but I really don't like the lens. The 'Leica' has a Leica lens and, given sensor size, price and size I think it's a marvellous lens. The Nikon lens just doesn't seem sharp to me. It may be product variability - read this - but whatever the cause, you need to be looking very closely at the specific lens you're buying. This implies you're buying in meatspace, not on Amazon or somesuch.

    4 Auto focus. You need to be able to operate the camera without auto focus. My Nikon does camera says no when auto focus fails, which is super annoying. Ok, use manual focus. Wind the focus ring right out, we're focussing at ∞, off we go. Sadly not, the dammned thing is focussing beyond infinity. Super annoying. Pay attention to the lens.

    5 RAW files can save your bacon, if the auto exposure gets it wrong, you've got plus or minus 4 stops to play with.

    If you're looking for something to takes snaps as you schlep round a trade fair, none of this matters too much, but then you would just use your mobile, no? The one camera I had that nearly fits your criteria was a point and shoot film Pentax from 30 years ago. No zoom, not beer proof, but fixed focus, everything from 4 feet to ∞ in focus, fast, although you did have to wind the film on yourself!

    Good hunting, I'll look at the answer with interest.

    1. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: search for the holy grail continues

      The D Lux 3 is effectively the Lumix LX-3. I've had the Lumix LX-5 and the LX-7... and the LX-7 is so much faster in operation than the 5.

      (there is no LX-4 or 6.... quadraphobia)

    2. T.Omoto

      Re: search for the holy grail continues

      The D LUX 3 (that is my Lumix LX3 stuffed with magical Leica pixie dust) uses sensor and processor technology that is almost a decade old. Successors to its legacy are much, much faster.

    3. strum

      You need a viewfinder

      Yep. Screens are useless, all the time, for anyone who needs glasses to see them (but not to see the subject), and useless part of the time, for everyone else - if there's any light source on your side of the planet.

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        Re: You need a viewfinder

        >1 You need a viewfinder. And not a sticky up clip on one. Trying to get a shot with the sun on a screen is hopeless.

        Er, how many many Reg photos are taken in bright sunshine?

        If you don't want a 'sticky up clip on [viewfinder]', then you're either looking at a Digital Single Lens Reflex camera with a bulky prism box, or a dual-lens set up that is tricky to use for macro shots (and also bulky and expensive).

        There is a variant of the LX-5 with integral viewfinder and WiFi, but I haven't heard much about it.

  3. T.Omoto

    Panasonix Lumix LX series

    In particular the latest LX7 one, they are actual pocketable cameras, rather rugged (metal built), and a fast (very fast) lens that will always deliver a nice image even in the murky, dubiously illuminated areas of IT reporting... and can open into a rather wide FoV that works wonders in rooms. Also RAW and manual settings are present that let you fiddle with stuff a bit more. They aren't cheap, but they sit nicely in the Micro Four Thirds and the mid-range DSLR price range...

    I've been using the classic LX3 for 5 years now, took it all over the world. I can attest it will be a camper on the hottest days of Budapest and the dampest nights of Shanghai, and a "point and click" setting is always on hand that will provide at least a decent, if not fantastic picture. If I have to state the downside, is the poor zoom ability, albeit the "4x" magnification you get with the latest models is rather the maximum you should use without a tripod anyway.

    1. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: Panasonix Lumix LX series

      Agreed, very pocketable, fast, can always get a usable picture in low light without a flash. The LX-7 is faster than its predecessors, has less noise at higher ISOs, the lens is now f 1.4, and they have added a dedicated manual focus physical control.

      It is available for quite a bit less money than the Sony RX100.

      I often carry mine in the inside pocket of my jacket, and forget that it is there until I want it.

      For very quick use, you need to get a £5 Chinese version of the 'Ricoh' automatic lens cap, though do be careful of dust.

      1. Terry 6 Silver badge

        Re: Panasonix Lumix LX series

        I'd say avoid. Great little camera. But not very robust. Thin casing dents easily. My missus dropped hers, not from a geat height, she isn't tall, but onto a hard floor. . Lens shutter jammed at top and lens surround dented at bottom. Big repair job.

  4. Ben Liddicott
    1. Ben Liddicott

      Also...

      Also:

      * Wide is more important than Zoom.

      * Aperture is more important than megapixels

      * Speed-to-shot is also very important.

      http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/09/19/nikon-1-aw1-released-as-world-s-first-rugged-waterproof-mirrorless-digital-camera

      Looks great, shoots fast, big sensor, big lens, wide angles, fast shutter, waterproof and shockproof:

      On Amazon

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        Re: Also...

        >* Wide is more important than Zoom.

        >* Aperture is more important than megapixels

        >* Speed-to-shot is also very important.

        LX-7: 24mm equivalent, f 1.4, quick to shoot if you turn it on as you remove it from your pocket.

        http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx7

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    more on variability

    http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2011/10/notes-on-lens-and-camera-variation

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Erm, surprised Mr O didn't mention this already

    Lumia 1020, with the clip on camera back. Phone plus camera. One device, one thing to charge, the clip on back has its own battery as well. Oh, and proper Office for writing things.

    Plus you are more likely to be carrying a phone (with or without the back) than a camera anyway.

    1. Vinyl-Junkie

      Re: Erm, surprised Mr O didn't mention this already

      Totally agree; I'm a keen amateur photographer (albeit of limited means) and I use a Canon DSLR for most of my photography. I have started to use the Nokia Lumia 1020 a lot as an indoor camera though as it gives fantastic results in low light , and as it now supports RAW image format that's a big plus. Personally I would have specified RAW format as a must anyway, as for one-chance shots it gives you an awful lot more chance of recovery if you don't get it quite right at the time.

      Camera back made a lot of difference to the usability of the camera as well as extending the battery life.

      It's a pretty good smartphone, too :)

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        Re: Erm, surprised Mr O didn't mention this already

        The 3rd party sample shots from the original PureView in low light against the Olympus Pen-1 and the LX-5 were very impressive.

  7. Lionel Baden

    was thinking about one of these for my family anyway

    http://www.sony.co.in/product/dsc-qx100

    kind of fills your requests.

    But with an added one of needing a mobile.

    Had a quick look at one in a store and was quite impressed, but i am not a aficionado.

    Would also be genuinely interested to see what you look think as well anyway.

  8. Rupert Stubbs

    RX100 should be cheaper soon

    Sony are supposed to be bringing out an RX100 mark 3 on the 15th - which sounds like a mashup of the (fantastic) LX7 and the RX100 Mk2: 24-70mm f1.8-2.8 lens, with maybe an integral EVF.

    However, it will undoubtedly be at least £700. On the plus side, the original RX100 should come down a bit more, and is still excellent. Although I love my old LX3 - especially for BW shots - it just isn't as pocketable as the RX100. Go with the RX100 chaps.

  9. Frederic Bloggs

    Read this man's website

    Ken Rockwell

    1. wiggers

      Re: Read this man's website

      That's where I heard about the X100S. He loves it!

  10. Mark Nelson

    Try DroidMaxx, fits in your jacket pocket 24hr under normal use battery, decent phone so you can call that professional photographer if you need one.

  11. wiggers

    Fujifilm X100S

    Worth a look. Pro: DSLR sensor, HDR mode that works well, fully auto or fully manual and everything in between, huge aperture and high ISO (black cats in coalmines no prob), small and discrete. Con: Probably not beer-proof, fixed lens (but you get so many pixels cropping is fine), pricey (but good value).

  12. P.Nutt

    Suggestion

    Find out what cameras the Daily Mail use so you can avoid them at all costs.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Suggestion

      Most of the images are OK but their cameras do seem to have a problem focussing on nipples.

  13. Frankee Llonnygog

    Graflex Speed Graphic

    And a pocket full of flash bulbs. Oh, and a fedora

  14. mse

    Fuji X10 / X20 / X100s

    Are solid little cameras. They're both made of metal, so can take abuse.

    The X100 is slightly easier to pocket because the lens protrudes less from the body. It also has a (much) bigger sensor (so better low light performance), and the electronic viewfinder is v good once the latest firmware has been installed.

    The X10/X20 are physically smaller, but have an excellent zoom lens that doubles as the on/off switch. Super simple to use- twist to turn on and set focal length. Unlike other compact cameras, there's no electronic zoom mechanism to get jammed/clogged with sand/write off the camera prematurely.

    Re: durability:

    I've dropped my X100 of the top deck of a bus onto a concrete pavement. the viewfinder glass cracked, but it still works perfectly, and the crack in the glass isn't enough of a distraction to get it fixed.

    My dad takes his X10 sailing every week (saltwater environment, sand, etc.) and hasn't managed to kill it in the two years he's had it.

    General use advice:

    1: Get the fastest memory cards you can. I'm using Sandisk Extreme Pro. The make the cameras much more responsive on startup/write.

    2: *Always* use a clear or UV filter. I use them so I don't have to worry about lens caps. It's also cheaper than a new lens/camera when gravity wins.

    3: Keep it on auto iso/auto aperture/auto shutter, and you'll never miss a shot.

    4: Get a couple of extra batteries- you can never have too many.

    Reviews:

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/fuji/x100s.htm

    http://www.bythom.com/fujifilm-x100-review.htm

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/fuji/x10.htm

    http://www.gearophile.com/cameras/camera-reviews/fujifilm-x20-review.html

    My experience:

    More than a decade photojournalism/fashion/product photography. Normally a Nikon/Canon DSLR user for work, but I carry my X100 with me everywhere.

  15. burtonash

    Samsung Galaxy Camera 2 or Low-End DSLR

    It might not be the most knock proof of things but I like the Samsung Galaxy Camera 2, having Android and Wifi means that if you need to get the image out to editors, etc. quickly it's a doddle on the free wireless in McDonalds (I'm sure they don't pay you lot enough for a Starbucks). At £330 they're not cheap but they're bloody good.

    That said, I'm an SLR guy myself and you can't beat that level of quality. If you're willing to stretch I'd say a 100D is good (£400 with toilet lens, £480 with less toilet lens), if you have hipster tendencies try the Fuji X20, it's quite tasty for £350.

    1. Intractable Potsherd

      Re: Samsung Galaxy Camera 2 or Low-End DSLR

      Another vote for the Galaxy Camera from here. Easy to use, reasonably fast, good low-light performance on auto, solid case, very good battery life, wifi and mobile data links, big screen, huge zoom range, good macro if needed. Potential downsides are the relative bulk compared to some of the others mentioned, and the amount of reflection off that big screen if there is any light source at all within about 170 degrees of the back of the photographer's head!

  16. ecofeco Silver badge

    Compact Cameras

    Almost any compact camera by a brand name will give you damn good pictures these days. Nikon, Cannon, Leica, Hasselblad, and Olympus still make the best lens. Samsung and Sony are about equal in quality.

    But no matter the camera, it still takes a person who understands the rudiments of composition and basic light to take good pictures. No cameras can change that.

  17. Chris G

    A little bigger

    Than some of the above suggestions but one of the cameras I have is the Panasonic FZ72

    it has a Leica lens as all or most Panasonics do and the zoom, image stabilising, and most importantly the IA intelligent auto are all exceptional. The FZ bridge cameras alway get top reviews and in many ways lead the field, if you want to get technical then you can read the 80 plus page manual, if you don't just turn it on and leave it on IA, providing you are savvy enough to get the subject you want in the screen or EV viewfinder you should have a photo.

    Failing FZs go for LX as suggested or one of the cheaper G series 4/3s Lumix cameras with a fairly standard lens Like a GF5 or 6.

    So far, for value for money performance I find Panasonics hard to beat and they all seem to have good battery life, I have a DMCFS 45 which very pocketable, I just leave in the bag I take to work every day. When I remember to check the battery it is usually not lower than half. For more money but extremely good are any of the Olympus 4/3 cameras just try to forget you can take the lens off.

    1. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: A little bigger

      The FZ series are very good for what they are intended to do- flexibility from macro to 24+ X zoom. To achieve the same with a DSLR would require several lenses.

      However, the trade-off for this zoom flexibility with a lens that doesn't break your back is a fairly small sensor- which is fine for daylight shots.

      The LX series - or Canon S95+, Sony RX100 - are better suited to indoor shots of conferences, or of new gizmos at trade shows.

      It is possible to pick up a micro 4/3rds camera(Olympus PEN, Panasonic G) for a bargain price form time to time, but to get the same compact size you'd want a fixed-zoom 'pancake' lens. This will give you a wide angle for indoor shots,. and good low-light performance too.

      You might also want to look at a Sony NEX series camera with a similar 'pancake' lens. They seem to differ on their approach to the UI - some of the NEX are all touchscreen-driven, some boast more physical controls. The first generation were considered an enigma, since they cost a lot yet seemed aimed at people who just wanted to push the shutter button.

      There is also the Canon G1 X (not to be confused with the rest of the G series) which can be had for around £350... http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong1x/19 Its shortcomings - slow continuous shooting, slow AF - might not be an issue for the types of shots that Reg hacks need to take.

  18. Nick Pettefar

    Canon Powershot SX260 HS

    I love my Canon Powershot SX260 HS camera, it was reasonably priced, is easy to use, small, light, has a good battery life, a small charger, a wonderful optical zoom and, best of all, comes in green!

  19. Piloti

    Panasonic Lumix TZ 60/61

    I have the 61 version. 30x optical zoom, solid as bricks, as simple or as complicated as one wishes.

    Smallish, lightish, a rubber grip on the front.

    I'm more than happy with it.

  20. Dave 126 Silver badge

    Late Entry:

    The Lumix LF-1.

    Same sensor as the LX-7, but with a longer (7x), slower lens (f.2.0 still good, though)... good trade-off for many people. The WiFi could be handy for quickly getting images back to Reg HQ in a hurry. It has a little electronic viewfinder, said to be handy to get you out of a jam on a sunny day. And it can be had fairly cheaply, for just over £250.

    The Panasonic Lumix DMC-LF1 is a surprisingly well-realised premium compact camera, offering excellent still image and video quality complete with RAW support, built-in wireless and NFC connectivity, fast burst shooting, a longer lens than the main competition, and that rarest of things, an electronic viewfinder.

    http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_lumix_dmc_lf1_review/

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    the camera is not important

    So long as you have one that works ok in low light levels your sorted.

    However its like having a car,if you cant drive it its of no use regardless of make.

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