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A British teenager has become the youngest person to build a nuclear fusion reactor. Jamie Edwards, a 13-year-old from Preston, persuaded his headmaster to let him build the reactor in a classroom. He was so persuasive that the head of Penwortham Priory Academy even handed over £3,000 worth of funding after Jamie reassured him …

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      1. corestore

        Re: Almost certainly a stupid question...

        Apparently the Skunk Works think they've cracked it - and when the Skunk Works go public, that means they're pretty damn sure...

    1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

      Re: Almost certainly a stupid question...

      £3000 for a small reactor vs several more for solar panals on your roof.

      Maybe the school could apply for an alternative energy subsidy?

  1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Headmaster

    Yeah, right

    MUH NUCLEAR FUSION!!!111!

    So, can have the diagrams of:

    1) Helium production

    2) Neutron emission

    pretty pretty please.

    Also, where did the get the tritium and deuterium wrong. That shit doesn't grow on trees you know, and if you want to do pure proton-proton fusion, you better hire Gandalf first otherwise you are in for a LONG wait.

    1. Indolent Wretch

      Re: Yeah, right

      Electrostatic Inertial Confinement fusion is not tokamak and it has different requirements. Basically he's knocked up a Farnsworth Fusor or close relative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor) and they run happily on D-D reactions. No tritium necessary. D2 is quite easy to get and about £350 for a 25L bottle.

      Slightly suprising that the Reg didn't think to mention Farnsworth or the fact that's who the professor in Futurama is named after. He also pretty much invented the (previously) modern TV.

      1. Mage Silver badge

        Farnsworth Fusor

        I know nothing about the Farnsworth Fusor. But Farnsworth Image Dissector camera was inherently doomed. Farnsworth invented "a" TV system. but like Baird's it wasn't actually original nor part of modern TV development (starting 1926 and EMI & RCA success in 1935). Farnsworth's and Baird's was a dead end. Though ironically DLP is mechanical TV, albeit using nanotechnology. The RCA and EMI electron gin cameras and today's chip cameras work due to charge storage per frame rather than only sensing light level at scanning instant (Farnsworth's Electronic Image Dissector and Baird's disc then mirrors) thus about 10,000 more sensitive for SDTV and over 30,000 times more for HDTV.

        1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
          Meh

          Re: Farnsworth Fusor

          "I know nothing about the Farnsworth Fusor. But Farnsworth Image Dissector camera was inherently doomed. Farnsworth invented "a" TV system. but like Baird's it wasn't actually original nor part of modern TV development (starting 1926 and EMI & RCA success in 1935). Farnsworth's and Baird's was a dead end. Though ironically DLP is mechanical TV, albeit using nanotechnology. The RCA and EMI electron gin cameras and today's chip cameras work due to charge storage per frame rather than only sensing light level at scanning instant (Farnsworth's Electronic Image Dissector and Baird's disc then mirrors) thus about 10,000 more sensitive for SDTV and over 30,000 times more for HDTV."

          2 things.

          Farnsworth was deep in litigation with RCA (or The Radio Trust as some newspapers of the time called them) and his case looked quite strong before IIRC he went out of a hotel window.

          The Image Dissector Tube was the sensor used on the space shuttle to image low brightness stars to update it's attitude and position in space.

          1. Mage Silver badge

            Image Dissector Tube

            "The Image Dissector Tube was the sensor used on the space shuttle to image low brightness stars to update it's attitude and position in space."

            Nothing to do with Farnsworth's tube. Farnsworth's tube only sensed light the instant each part scanned by electron beam. It was rubbish. It would always have been rubbish as that method means sensitivity is abominable. Every successful sensor/tube accumulates charge based on light the entire time it isn't scanned/read.

            EVERYONE was deep in litigation with RCA and Marconi 1922 to late 1930s. So in that sense he had plenty of company. Edison (much earlier) Marconi, RCA and Philips were the Apple / Oracle / MS of the era (depending on country), Though Marconi, EMI and RCA did do a lot of real R&D. But many patents bought in and others prior art (TV, Superhet, FM etc). The patents awarded were too broad and frequently ignored prior art and even patents outside UK or USA.

            The big companies in 1920s and 1930s created patent cartels/pools. Hence RCA never sued EMI.

            Baird tried to use Farnsworth cameras, but his Film camera with near real time development and essentially film scanner to video worked far far better. People's eyes were damaged the lighting needed for Farnsworth's camera so bright. The EMI and RCA (very similar to each other) cameras of same time able to work in ordinary overcast daylight.

            Pre WWII electronic TV

        2. Stoneshop

          Re: Farnsworth Fusor

          RCA and EMI electron gin cameras

          Must have been hard for RCA back then, or was research exempt from Prohibition?

      2. Dave 32
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        Re: Yeah, right

        More information on fusors can be found here:

        http://www.fusor.net/

        And, agreed on the availability of Deuterium. It used to be pretty common for physics students to make ice from heavy water (Deuterium Oxide) to put in drinks. The Deuterium, being slightly heavier than Hydrogen, causes the ice cubes made from it to sink rather than float (And, no, I don't think I'd drink one of those drinks, although several people have. And, there's some evidence that a slight concentration of Deuterium may actually help memory, although too much of it may be fatal.).

        Dave

        P.S. I'll get my coat. It's the one with the heavy ice cubes in the pocket.

  2. The BigYin

    Arrest him, now!

    Nuclear....fusion....sounds like a hydrogen bomb to me. ARREST THIS BOY!

    Clearly he is a terrorist and manufacturing a bomb. WHICH OUR TAXES PAID FOR! (£3,000)

    We cannot let children get away with this. ARREST HIM!

    THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

    Unless you are an aide of David Cameron, in which case DO NOT think of the children.

    1. TheWeenie
      Trollface

      Re: Arrest him, now!

      or if you were a famous TV personality in the 1970s, please STOP thinking of the children!

    2. The First Dave

      Re: aide of David Cameron

      I suspect that we are about to hear a repeat of the "purely for research purposes" defence - the poor man was clearly just showing Dodgy Dave just how much depravity was out there, that we all need to be protected from...

  3. lee harvey osmond

    Fusion? Really?

    Does he have any ... evidence?

    The reports I have seen elsewhere say his Geiger counter was detecting something. Detecting what, though? 18kV got mentioned somewhere, can the boy demonstrate that his electrostatic inertial confinement rig isn't oozing X-rays which are generating ionized particles, ionized particles that the average Geiger counter would notice long before it spotted any neutrons?

    1. cortland

      Re: Fusion? Really?

      Yes, he did announce detecting neutrons.

  4. Tezla P
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    Silly Universities

    Well at least he has a list of universities he doesn't need to "take seriously" when he fills out his UCAS application. Good on him and his school for giving him that chance.

  5. cortland

    This is how

    This is how a boy learns best, and it quite eclipses the railgun I built in my bedroom 58 years ago, at 12.

    Ad astra!

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Mushroom

    "Star in a jar"

    A star in a reasonably priced jar, no less.

    1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Thumb Up

      "A star in a reasonably priced jar, no less."

      Nice.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Most cool

    Congrats to all involved. The only thing I remember doing in Science at school was the dissection of a cows eye. It being a shite comprehensive school, the eyes were not the freshest, and the stench was nearly unbearable.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Most cool

      The only science I remember is my chemistry teacher putting an open bottle of hydrochloric acid under my nose and telling me to sniff-up. I've had bad sinuses ever since!

      well done head teacher and student for doing some real science in school rather than the normal learn-by-rote.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Most cool

      We blew a large section of the lab up...gotta love those gas taps.

      Anon, as none of us admitted it.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Most cool

        .gotta love those gas taps.

        We cross connected ours to the water taps. The water had the higher pressure, as shown by bunsen fountains all down the room. The pipes gurgled for months after that...

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Most cool

      "It being a shite comprehensive school, the eyes were not the freshest, and the stench was nearly unbearable."

      Should have made 'em shower in cold water ! I bet the boys were as bad !

  8. tojb
    Gimp

    Ahh yes... and when Womersley brought in a pair of cow lungs.

    We were told to shove a gas tube down the trachea and blow to inflate the lungs (everyone else had rabbit or similar). Some scamp had pre-lacerated Womersley's lungs with a scalpel, so the dead-cow mucus spluttered out everywhere. Such fun.

    gimp suit: because you'd wish you were wearing one if you'd been anywhere near

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    We all know what happens to these child stars....

    ...this year a nuclear reactor, next year a crystal meth lab.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Watch Out

    Great work ... but watch out for the Iranian/NK kidnappers !

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    As any fule kno the first school atomic reactor was the Molesworth/Peason atom smasher - and our headmaster woudl not giv us £3000 when he could spend it on more beer and cream cakes - chiz chiz. If this boy sa he is the first again I will have to go around an tuough him up. Anyway, why is a modurn schoolboy interested in fusion - he should be into global warming and sa things like "hello clouds, hello sky we are making you rain too much" - Fotherington-Thomas - a profit before his time

    1. hplasm
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      Re:Molesworth/Peason atom smasher

      Apply the boost! Flog the reactor!

      Why did i not marry a mekanic, etc?

  12. sjsmoto

    Congrats for common sense and a learning opportunity!

    Wow, they let him build it in a school after a presentation and training where needed.

    While here in the States, you can get suspended from school for chewing a Pop Tart into a shape that resembles a gun [1].

    What a world.

    [1] http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/boy-suspended-pop-tart-gun-loses-appeal-have-record-expunged

    1. Peter Simpson 1
      Unhappy

      Re: Congrats for common sense and a learning opportunity!

      Huh...Maryland. I was expecting Florida. Looks like this "zero tolerance" silliness is spreading.

      I hereby apologise to the rest of the world for the embarassment that is US education. We seem to be in a race to the bottom. Maybe it has to do with getting rid of all the good teachers and training the new hires to be mindless form-fillers...

  13. Zebo-the-Fat

    Well done to the lad, we need more teachers to offer this kind of support, let's just hope they don't kill his enthusiasm over the next few years.

  14. Aldous
    Happy

    What Kind of Madness is this?

    When i was in school we got bollocked for looking at anything that was not OFSTED approved. Suggesting something like this got you threatened with being booted out. Instead you were supposed to act as a second teacher and help everyone else out rather then being encouraged to challenge yourself academically.

    Even then there were stories of wunderkinds taking GCSE's early and again when i asked in the subjects i could of done i was politely told to sod off and focus on the ones i was not so good at which being dyslexic is like telling someone with depression to just cheer up.

  15. John Savard

    Fusor it is

    And a device of this type was on display at the 1964 World's Fair. So this isn't something like the case of the Radioactive Boy Scout. which would have been likely to lead to an arrest; instead, this is a legitimate science fair type of project.

  16. Don Jefe

    Alternate History

    The year is 2164 and Jamie Edwards (known now only as Supreme Chancellor Y'Icyhter) sits alone in his dark towe, gazing upon the blasted Earth that was once home to so many. Few visit anymore. Mostly only those so desperate for an end to their pathetic lives they smash themselves upon the Tower so very much like the ships that had once come to challenge him were smashed against the rocky beaches after being plucked from the angry seas.

    Today, like every other day since that cold November night so long ago, Y'Icyhter considers the future of Humanity. Some two million souls had been spared, as a gesture of mercy to those who would shortly perish, that some few of their species would carry on.

    When, he asks. When will they conquer their fear? Even now, so many generations later, the stink of fear and their putrid, unclean ways continue unabated. Y'Icyhter has shown them the most tender of mercies for so very long. But fear remains. Always fear. When he descends into their breeding paddocks on each solstice and equinox he takes only the weak, the defective, the ugly and unloved as fuel the reactor.

    Long ago the anger of Y'Icyhter had subsided. Remorse dwelt within him for a time, as did pity. Only apathy remains. Millions of times he had considered simply destroying the last of Humanity to liberate them from fear. No, they must grow strong and fearless before Y'Icyhter can end his own suffering. Should he destroy them now he would be left with nary a subject of contemplation. Without that he was lost. Greater knowledge had become a useless abstraction as he discovered nearly every law of the universe was subject to his command. Why learn when the knowledge is meaningless.

    Only one element in all the universe was not subject to the will of Y'Icyhter. Fear remained his only rival. The Humans must master fear alone. Journey into dark places and feel the sting of loss as loved ones perish, but never for moment hesitating to follow them into the unknown simply because they can. Secure in knowing that if they too perish it will be an end on their terms. With eyes open and fists raised, turning fear against their challenger and fighting until the end. That is a good life.

    Why could the remaining Humans not see that? Y'Icyhter will wait. Y'Icyhter holds pity for only one man. A man who told Y'Icyhter no when he sought to learn. Who betrayed Y'Icyhter and sacrificed him to the authorities. Took him away from a loving mother and father who he would never see again. One who caused all of Humanity to be destroyed. A headmaster who said 'no, you cannot build a fusion reactor'. Coward.

    1. Red Bren
      Pint

      Re: Alternate History

      You're wasted on here...

  17. Ottis

    Good old Blighty! In the USA he would be in jail for terrorism, whilst the NSA, FBI, CIA, etc, etc, would be waterboarding his parents, and digging up his grandparents graves looking for more dirt on him.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Lightly ironic aside - Once they dig up said grandparents, there will be less dirt* on them.

      *American dirt that is, not earth.

      Coat on. Leaving. Seemed funnier when the thought struck.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Congratulations to Jamie Edwards and to his school for supporting his experimental endeavour in such a manner.

    Now, as for the articles use of "star in a jar"... I was under the impression that "star in a jar" was an expression used to describe sonoluminescence. Is my understanding wrong?

  19. John Smith 19 Gold badge
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    I guess we're all hoping he will do great things.

    And I am too.

    Probably a case of get a Nobel, or die trying (which is not impossible given high voltages and neutron sources).

  20. John Tserkezis

    "I was a bit stunned and I have to say a little nervous when Jamie suggested this but he reassured me he wouldn’t blow the school up," the head recalled.

    "he reassured me", really? "he reassured me"?

    I've never, ever, ever had a school head OK one of my "special" projects that easily. He didn't cast an Imperius Curse on him first did he?

    1. The First Dave
      Flame

      To be fair, some of the things I wanted to do at school _would_ have blown the school up, at least a little bit, whatever I may have been willing to tell teacher.

  21. James 36

    biddy biddy

    awesome use of school resources,

    well done to the head for supporting this,

    well done to the kid for putting it together and sourcing the gear from industry, that shows nouse and initiative

  22. annodomini2
    Black Helicopters

    So...

    Build one in the garage and run it, see how good the weapons detectors are...

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Looking at Jamie's presentation (link to it in the El Reg article) I notice part of the sales pitch to the Head was a promise of fame. 'Imagine your name next to mine' or something like that (I've closed the presentation and can't be bothered to go and find it again). The lad clearly understands management; he will go far.

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Can I play Devil's Advocate?

    At the risk of ignoring the spirit of the moment...

    Schools are desperately short of cash right now. Just what, exactly, did they have to cut so this kid could build this machine (because they certainly didn't have 3k sat around doing nothing!)? I'm sure the head would blythely say "nothing", but the fact is that 3k is a fair chunk of money to spend on one pupil. Is it a fair use of resources? It may not be if they don't give every kid in the place the opportunity to have 3k spent on their personal "project", which probably had nothing at all to do with the sylabus.

    Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that he got the opportunity to do this. But 3k could do a lot of good in a school and i'm not sure this is the best, or the fairest, way to spend it.

  25. Zmodem

    probably one of my million kids i dont know about

    should find out what music his mom listens to and does clubs with

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re. reactor

    $3K isn't a lot these days, a basic 3D printer with software runs about $1K.

    I'm more interested in how he managed to get hold of the vacuum pumps needed, IIRC it needs a two stage followed by a turbopump and several baking runs to get the high vacuum required.

    1. Zmodem

      Re: Re. reactor

      off google shopping probably for £200

  27. ncg2400

    don't agree and wasted opportunity

    Instead of making yet another radiation emiting device the teacher should

    have encouraged a project involving cleaning up the mess of Fukushima

    The teacher and school are irresponsible to allow such experiments that release radiation. Irresponsible, dangerous and useless. The teacher should be fired.

    1. ncg2400

      Re: don't agree and wasted opportunity

      Need to teach children social responsibility and not nuclear reactions

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