US spy court says internet firms can't report surveillance requests

The NSA and all the other alphabet agencies have completed destroyed the US cloud business and the internet. Time for the world to create a new network and leave these agencies to themselves.

Solution...

Google just pops an SD card in the post to Wikidribble.

To preempt the obvious repercussions, mark it "Fr0m 5n0wden."

Done.

I do not condone such an approach, it just seems feasible.

If any of these companies really wanted to get that information out, instead of asking for permission, it would be so much easier to leak it and blame Syrian hackers or whatever.

File an appeal which surely must be heard by the Supreme court. The FISA court was setup to mimic the public courts. So a lawsuit against the FISA court and the DOJ being heard by the Supreme court could quickly lead to the end of the FISA court. You would still have things kept a secret due to national security reasons, but at least you don't have a secret court with no accountability running things.

Adding insult to injury

The parts of the "brief" quoted in the article read as rather insulting mockery of the petitioners and of the public.

"The public debate about surveillance does not give the companies the First Amendment right" - The public debate does not, but the Constitution does.

"Such information would be invaluable to our adversaries" - So are little things like presumption of innocence, freedom of travel, restrictions on unreasonable search and seizure, and so on and so forth...

"They can also use that information to engage in deceptive tactics or disinformation campaigns" - Spies and terrorists do engage in deceptive tactics, what a shock! Isn't truthful information the most important tool against "deceptive tactics" and particularly against "disinformation campaigns"?

"But that implausible reading ignores the forest for the trees" - An appeal to "the big picture" is ironic in the context, IMHO: spies and terrorists are but a few individual trees in the huge forest, and the "forest" should not, REPEAT NOT, concern a properly functioning security agency. By "properly functioning" I mean, among other things, distinct from KGB or Stasi - for those the "forest" is an adversary.

"It would permit damaging disclosures that would reveal sources and methods" - I'd say the cat is out of the bag by now - the paw that collects information from Google et al., anyway.

Opening up a can of worms is manna from heaven for phishes

Frankly, if left to myself -with the privacy that is my fundamental fucking human right- then I'm harmless. Consider me the enemy long enough and continue treating me as such; then the more likely it is to happen. Possibly it's some sort of terrorist-creation program, to justify the security theatre. Or possibly, if you think that you can blackmail every single citizen then you think that everyone will be compliant. Either plan works only up to a point. …. moiety Posted Wednesday 2nd October 2013 22:21 GMT

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So what?

"Secret spy court says..."

The secret spy court has no authority to say anything under the US constitution; indeed the constitution is there specifically to prevent secret spy courts having this power. The media should be laughing at these wannabe Nazi control freaks, not blandly reporting their ravings as if they were serious.

You are not being monitored...

So just give your subscribers a little flag that tells them all is well, and delete it if not. One is not allowed to tell people they are being monitored, but in the best traditions of US lawyers mangling the law, why not tell them they aren't being monitored until it's not possible to do so truthfully?

Goodbye US cloud industry - and good riddance, sort your crap government out and then we can talk. My company is cancelling plans to roll out cloud MS products and I can see that pattern repeated in many, many other companies and government organisations.

Install a Kill Switch?

One could (maybe) pre-empt them by going to a lawyer and swearing an affidavit to the effect that one had NOT received any surveillance requests, and intends to repeat this process periodically unless it becomes illegal to do so. Then post the affidavit in a public place (if that's not automatic for sworn documents).

If you do receive a surveillance request it becomes illegal to swear that affidavit (i.e. perjury).

If they order you to commit a crime ... ISTR the fifth amemdment guarantees one's right not to be forced to incriminate onself, and making an untrue sworn statement is most definitely criminal.

If they make it illegal to tell the truth on oath ... the entire legal system and rule of law collapses?

I think this is to copyleft, as nuclear weapons are to bullets?

Since the NSA bulk collect pretty much everything it seems a bit of a moot point about people jumping services to avoid surveillance. With the capture of Silk Road's supposed founder & other recent events, even services like Tor don't seem safe from interception & decryption.

Assume all Internet compromised

Since the USA now considers itself above all international laws it would be safest for internet users to consider all ISPs etc to be compromised and take steps to encrypt anything they want to keep private. This will probably result in a new online arms race between the NSA and encryption writers.

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The NSA and all the other alphabet agencies have completed destroyed the US cloud business and the internet. Time for the world to create a new network and leave these agencies to themselves. …..panhead20 Posted Wednesday 2nd October 2013 22:43 GMT

Hi, panhead20,

The present situation is both far worse and much better and therefore somewhat new and significantly different from the most recent pasts, [which are all completely different in different parts/time zones of this world] and would bode well for the future because one needs to be more than just simply intelligent to macromanage microelectrical interindependent environments with positive signals and transmit-able [SMARTREnabled] signal receiver units ….. which you might like to consider and realise can be both virtual and real as humans ……. for it is probably and possibly most definitely certainly the case that the NSA and all the other alphabet agencies which be involved in any and all types of malicious and nefarious, self centred and inequitably advantageous and perversely lucrative and corrupt and oppressive shenanigans have completed destroyed the US cloud business and the internet for themselves [ which is the far worse present situation which they can enjoy and continue to play in whenever really stupidly led in intelligence fields that work with REST* in Play Pauses which deliver supplies of/for Core Ore Source CodeXSSXXXX for Novel Noble Event Calendaring/Hedged Derivative FuTuring]

The much better situation is/are the new networks which are creating new worlds which leave those dumb agencies behind and to themselves with their failing and flailing and wailing partners facing a thick and impenetrable prison type wall.

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