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The smaller the creature and the faster its metabolic rate, the slower it perceives time, say a group of researchers from Ireland and the UK. "Animals smaller than us see the world in slo-mo," study leader Andrew Jackson from Trinity College Dublin told The Telegraph. "It seems to be almost a fact of life." Jackson and his …

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  1. Charles 9

    I'd always figured the big reason small animals perceived faster was simply because their nervous systems have less distance to travel. Barring everything else, neural impulses still travel at some fraction of the speed of light, and inter-synapse chemical reactions should still propagate at the same speed regardless of species, so all speeds being equal, it's quicker to navigate a two-inch brain than a ten-inch one.

  2. leeCh
    Paris Hilton

    Found the IT angle.

    <quote>As another of Jackson's colleagues put it, "Flies might not be deep thinkers, but they can make good decisions very quickly." </quote>

    Maybe we've been looking at this quantum computer thing all wrong. We need networked fly brains instead.

    Paris - because it seems that flies can make better decisions, faster.

  3. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    IT Angle

    Good question. Is the fly architecture "better" or is there just less of it?

    Because AFAIK most of the animal kingdom (ourselves included) uses pretty much the same chemicals to do the same jobs

    OTOH if the chemicals/cell membranes/whatever in the fly are faster that opens up some interesting ideas for human regeneration and anti aging treatment.

    But my bet is it's just because the critters are smaller.

  4. Novex
    Boffin

    While I'm not a scientist, I do think that visualizing the idea as 'slow motion' is wrong. I think it's more like a difference in frame or sample rates.

    At about 24fps, we humans see no flicker in a series of related images (aka a film ;) ) but a 12fps we can see the flicker. The slower the fps, the more we miss from the time between frames. Flies (and by extension most if not all creatures smaller than us) perceive and process 'images' so fast that they 'know' far more about what's going on in their immediate surroundings, such that they are able to get out of the way of that moving hand.

    This also might explain why as children we don't hear or see adults moving in slow motion but they do seem to take such a long time to get things done, while as adults children always seem to be rushing around and getting bored when there's not much happening.

    1. Anonymous Coward
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      24fps *is* visibly jerky to humans; Cinema just covers it up

      "At about 24fps, we humans see no flicker in a series of related images (aka a film ;) ) but a 12fps we can see the flicker."

      Actually 24 to 30 fps *can* look jerky. This is partly covered up in cinema films by using a slower exposure time for each frame. The rule of thumb (AFAIK) is that recommended shutter speed per frame is half the frame rate. (*) Therefore, for 24 fps film, it would normally be around 1/48 second; enough to *blur* fast moving objects. This blurring is, ironically, intentional- it has the visual effect of smoothing the jerky motion. (**)

      I have a DSLR that does video, but in bright conditions produces unpleasantly jerky results. This is because it automatically sets a much faster shutter speed to get the correct exposure, but doesn't account for the above. (If you look at each frame, there is virtually no blurring). If you can con it into using a slower shutter speed, the footage looks better.

      Similarly, the reason why computer games apparently look bad at frame rates acceptable for film- 24 to 30 fps- is because they don't render motion blur. (Don't quote me on that though, I haven't personally been into games since the mid-90s).

      (*) See the following for more information:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_disc_shutter

      (**) Even so, you may still notice juddering on cinematic pans if you pay attention; you're probably just used to it. Cinema and film footage tends to use focus and depth-of-field to (e.g.) throw moving backgrounds out of focus on fast-moving pans. Traditional pre-digital video- AFAIK- generally has more depth of field and most cheap video productions can't afford to employ people to control focus, but they get away with it because video has a higher effective frame (or field) rate.

  5. AndrueC Silver badge

    "We humans, for example, have a CFFF of around 60Hz when young and healthy".

    Hmmm. After sharing a house with a budgerigar for nearly ten years I'm pretty sure he was somewhat smaller than me. He breathed faster than me when resting and being a bird suggests to me that his metabolism was bound to be faster. So how does that fit in with the study that found that the CFFF for a Budgerigar is 40 to 75Hz.?

    As for seeing the world in slow motion...hmm. I had several near misses when he chose to set off at the same time I did (he was flocking stupid sometimes :) ) so although his flying skills were good I don't think he was seeing me move in slow motion.

  6. king of foo

    that explains why my work xp boot time

    Feels like longer than my speccy took to load treasure island dizzy...

    No, wait, it DOES take longer!

  7. chiller

    So do small headed people have quicker reactions?

    "HEY PEA HEAD!!"

    **Smack**

    Didn't see that coming.

    1. breakfast Silver badge

      It would be interesting to research that, actually.

      It certainly seems as though big horses react way slower than small ones to most rider cues, but they all react pretty fast if they perceive peril of some kind.

  8. Crisp

    Small children are always in a hurry

    That's because when you're 5, everything is awesome! You'd be in a hurry too if the entire world was full of really cool stuff you'd never seen before.

  9. Solly

    It's always seemed obvious that animals with smaller bodies would have faster reaction times as the lengths of nerves connecting their muscles to their grey matter would be significantly shorter. It kinda follows that their perception of time would scale accordingly.

    As for kids, well I think some of it is relative to experience, if you're a day old newborn, then another 24 hours would seem like a long time. Whereas if your 40 years old - a day is ever shrinking sliver of your collective experience hence the old adage "The years just flash by when you get to my age"

    1. AndrueC Silver badge
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      As for kids, well I think some of it is relative to experience

      My theory is that we sense time passing according to the extent of changes within our brain. The higher the rate of new links forming the faster we think time is passing. That would explain why time appears to slow if you are sitting with nothing to do and why it appears to accelerate when you are busy.

      As regards age relate changes to the perception of time I think that children, being new to the world, experience more rapid and extensive mental changes. As an adult the number of truly new and unique experiences you have per day is a lot lower.

      Whatever the cause it is definitely true that time overall seems to pass quicker as you age. As another commentard wrote: Summer holidays used to last ages as did lunch times when I was a child. To me, now, at age 46 I barely notice days passing and even a week doesn't seem to register. A year is no big deal either.

  10. Parax

    Time Perception.

    It's obvious, time is relative to experience.

    When you are young time takes forever, because to a five year old a year is 20% of a lifetime.

    When you are old time flies by because to a 50 year old a year is 2% of a lifetime.

    Simply put, the 1%'s fly by the 10%'s take ages.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      There is something else nobody has mentioned yet : obligations.

      Children have none. Having nothing to do, they have all the time in the world (well, in the day) to think of something to do and act on it.

      Adults have things to do. Be it work, repairs, shopping or whatever, a vast majority of our day is spent dealing with stuff even if we'd rather be doing something else. All that occupation certainly counts for some of that "time flies by" feeling we have, because we can measure our day by the stuff we did (or failed to finish).

      That said, I do agree children always run to get places. Always.

      1. breakfast Silver badge

        Also because we have fewer novel experiences- driving a new route or to a new destination always seems to take ages the first time we do it. I think this is why holidays have so much experiential value- being in a new place and doing new things lays down many more memories than being in the same place doing much the same thing most of the time.

        It seems plausible to me that people who seek out novelty most of their lives may well have experientially longer lives than those who have fitted largely into the same activities and the same rhythms.

    2. Charles 9

      Re: Time Perception.

      Something has occurred to me: something related to the perception of time.

      Perhaps our perception of time can be affected by state of consciousness, too. I once recall a few mornings when I was groggy, having just gotten up, and happened to look at the wristwatch I had at the time. I could've sworn I was seeing the seconds tick by pretty quickly, but by the time I was fully awake, things seemed to be normal again. Now, I knew time hadn't sped up while I slept, so I wondered if grogginess caused us to perceive time differently as well. Have there been experiments into the perception of time in differing states of consciousness?

  11. kryptonaut

    Songbirds

    I've recorded songbirds and played them back at quarter-speed or slower - the amount of detail present in the song is incredible, far more than can be perceived (at least by me) listening at normal speed. I can't imagine the birds would bother with the detail if they couldn't hear it, so it seems clear to me that songbirds at least must experience the world at a different rate from humans.

    And this clip of fighting goldfinches from BBC Autumnwatch http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00v0v4l (skip to about 1:20) shows that they must have vastly faster reaction times than we do.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Animals with faster reaction times than us lumbering humans are rather common. Felines, from the lowly cat to the majestic lion, have reactions that are seven times faster than ours.

      You know about the laser trick for cats ? Shine a laser point on the ground and watch it go nuts trying to follow it (best results with young cats - older ones get bored quick). While you laugh, notice how the cat easily follows every jitter of the point with its head, even if it can't quite follow the movement of your hand as fast as you can wiggle it.

      Yeah, you might have guessed that I love cats.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Killing flies ...

    once heard from a colleague that flies take off backwards, so the best way to kill one is position yourself to clap your hands behind one ....

    1. Charles 9

      Re: Killing flies ...

      Experience tells me they do go forward but can react to the air from your hand. I've found better success with a cupped hand. The wind forces are different, so the fly can't detect it as easily, plus it can catch the fly in a trap if they think the cup is safe (it isn't; when you slam down, you make a shockwave in the air trapped by your hand; said shockwave can be surprisingly effective on the fly even if you don't directly smash it). I've had some success swatting houseflies bare-handed this way. Also, try tensioning your arm so that you slam down as quickly as possible when you release.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Time flies like an arrow.

    Fruit flies like a banana.

    1. Rukario

      Looks like a fish, moves like a fish.

      Steers like a cow.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    For killing flies.....

    nothing beats a cheapo "electric tennis racquet" from your local pound shop.

    The mesh means no "bow wave" of air for the fly to detect, and the high voltage across it ensures a satisfying *ZAP* to confirm the kill, usually followed by a barely-audible "dying Meschershmitt" sound as it goes down.

    1. Charles 9

      Re: For killing flies.....

      I've seen them. They're really popular in Southeast Asia. Clear your room of skeeters and get some exercise at the same time. They're actually available in America, too, though I disagree with the prices.

      1. kryptonaut

        Re: For killing flies.....

        They give you quite a zap if you stick your finger in them, and there's a singed smell in the air afterwards.

        I know... but you have to try these things.

    2. Jay 2
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      Re: For killing flies.....

      I haven't seen them much over here (not that I've been looking), but when on holiday in South Africa a few years ago I became very proficient in smash-zapping flies. Also when they were at rest on a surface I learnt that if you v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y moved the racquet toward them and then as late as possible made the swipe then you'd usually get them as they attempted taking off.

      One thing to note is not everything in the air is a fly and some wasps down there don't die when swiped, they just get very angry (like HULK angry)...

  15. phil dude
    Happy

    some biology, physics and....

    To kill a fly, bring your hands from either side to a spot about 4-5 cm above the fly. Flies jump up when they take off, and into your mitts. This from some Horizon episode...

    Dara O'Briains Science Club S2E5 "Size Matters" deals with some of the physics of small things.

    P.

  16. heyrick Silver badge

    We move in slow motion for bugs?

    Anybody else reminded of the recent animated film "Epic"?

  17. cortland

    Similar to polticians then

    "Flies might not be deep thinkers, but they can make good decisions very quickly."

    Only . . . the politicians make BAD ones.

    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/l/leontrotsk154768.html

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