Dead Steve Jobs 'made Tim Cook sue Samsung' from beyond the grave
Apple co-founder Steve Jobs pressured his lieutenants into suing rival Samsung even though they didn't think it was a very good idea, sources have claimed. Tim Cook, who was promoted from COO to CEO of Apple following the death of Jobs, never wanted to sue Samsung because Apple was snapping up the South Koreans' chips for …
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Re: Appel one..
Funny that, my daughter had a 3GS and had no end of problems with it, so when her contract came up went for an S2. Her first comments were that it was "very different" but within weeks she was sayinng (and still says, "It's the best phone I've ever had".
On the strength of her comments I got an S3 when it came out, and yes, it's the best phone I've ever had. And I remember Samsung as a mobile phone upstart being beaten in all areas, except price, by Nokia.
Finally a work collegue recently swapped from iPhone 4 to Galaxy SIII and he rates it as miles better than the iPhone.
Note to Apple, get back to innovating, it's where you were best, litigating only makes you look foolish
Re: Appel one..
The reason that I bought an SII was that it WAS NOT an iPhone. I would never mistake one for an iPhone, but you could easily mistake the Huawei for an SII with textured back, 'power bulge' etc
I was one of about 7 men in the Viva Forever audience on Saturday (with daughters, don't ask) and apart from one Storm II all the women there had iPhones.....
Re: Appel one..
I read once that 60% of women in Japan own at least one LV bag.
Casual empiricism during a trip there some years ago suggested that this statistic might actually be tru.
Re: Appel one..
Blatant? It looked nothing like an Apple iPhone.
Re: Appel one..
"go the way of the RAZOR"
Electric, safety, feminine... what kind of razor are you talking about?
Re: Appel one..
This is one of the most bizarrely irrational comments I've seen in a while.
But where do I get a S3 with a packet of crisps?
Meanwhile, my experience is that the Note II is cleaning up on the "cachet" stuff right now.
Is it just me
Surely history teaches us that people copying each other to some extent is good? People borrowing ideas and improving on stuff is what keeps the world going.
Should Apple not have been allowed to build a computer and monitor all within a single enclosure because Commodore had done it with the Pet?*
Seems to be that there needs to be some leeway.
* I know other designs happened before the Pet but its a well known model so I guess good for an example.
Re: Is it just me
If anything was ever in need of rounded corners, it was the Commodore PET.
pin the tail on....
While Apple may have won a case against Samsung in the US ( for now, ymmv with appeals) , globally the same tactic has failed monumentally, as the same vein of reasoning regarding "look and feel" and alleged confusion of us poor punters has been tossed out of court rather unilaterally. There's some minor voctories on either side of the fence, but most of those regard actual features, and damages rewarded are effectively small change.
Meanwhile the whole patent war has caused some people in rather influential places to have a good hard look at the whole patent business at the core of this war, and how it affects the global and local economies, and as a consequence attracted the attention of politicos and tax revenue services on some rather fancy corporate finance tricks.
PR-wise the whole thing is a disaster for Apple, as inevitably the stories of this litigation percolate down to the Hoi-Polloi, who may be easily confused when it comes to rectangles with round corners (according to Apple) but who tend to be damn good at spotting a bully, and react accordingly.
It's nice to see how Apple now try to do the " Wasn't Me! " routine, and try to pin the whole thing on someone who is dead and buried.
The one thing about nuclear warfare is that you cannot contain it. Direct damage may be localised, but the fallout gets *everywhere*. Seems they forgot that one in Cupertino.
Icon because obviousness is obvious.
Re: pin the tail on....
It's nice to see how Apple now try to do the " Wasn't Me! " routine, and try to pin the whole thing on someone who is dead and buried.
That's risky. I know there's a principle that you can't libel the dead, but if there's anyone capable of sueing from beyond the grave......
All empires eventuall fail...
Apple are on the down-slope. Samsung are on the up-slope. Just recently got a Samsung S3 'phone. What a machine. Even the Apple fan in my office was blown away by it. Now that St. Jobs has passed (RIP) it's down down down for Apple. Sure it'll take a while, but I think Jobs was a one-off, and Apple needed him.
Re: All empires eventuall fail...
Apple are on the down-slope. Samsung are on the up-slope
So you mean that it's plain sailing for Apple and that it's going to be tough going for Samsung? I'd have thought the opposite....
the pair of firms would be better off burying the blunt hatchet
Better if the USPO cleaned up it's action and stopped patenting wet dreams that will never come true.
More proof that Jobs was using a publicly owned company contrary to the shareholders interests. Now Cook should hope no one starts a Class Action.
Re: the pair of firms would be better off burying the blunt hatchet
>More proof that Jobs was using a publicly owned company contrary to the shareholders interests.
I think that any proof would be better expressed in numbers. Profit? Apple doing okay. Share value? Very difficult to prove that it isn't as high as it could have been, or to prove causation after it has been filtered through the market- which is based on risks, projections, analysis and gut-feelings.
If you bought your shares in Apple when they were still on the ascendant, you should be happy. If you bought them afterwards, without looking at the company and Mr Jobs, tough titty. The whole basis of shares gaining value is that you are being rewarded for assuming some risk.
Epic Fail
Apple have actually shot themselves in both feet with this ridiculous legal venture. For the record, Jobs did not invent the phone, the computer, the mobile phone, the WIMP, the rectangle with rounded corners, the Apple logo or anything else of note. He merely packaged other people's innovations in a beautiful manner, and took all the credit.
The iPhone is desperately in need of a design refresh, and should have had one for the iPhone 5, instead of making do with a stretched version of the previous model. Unfortunately, having sued everyone who makes anything that looks remotely like a phone, there's nothing they can make that won't get them sued in return (which they could probably afford), and banned from importing into the US, which they cannot afford.
Re: Epic Fail
"...having sued everyone who makes anything that looks remotely like a phone,"
Aside from Samsung, who else has been on the end of a registered design (aka design patent) suit?
Re: Epic Fail
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-vs-htc-a-patent-breakdown/
Which one of these is related to the registered design (aka design patents) of the iPhone?
or is there some other case?
(Reposted in correct thread)
Re: Epic Fail
Up-voted purely for referencing WIMP.
You ol' codger, you!
Burying the hatchet
..is something Samsung would be happy to do.
Because the aggressor in all of this, unsurprisingly, has consistently been Apple.
Wait until the appeal of the decision and also of these ridiculous "patents".
We'll see who owes who what.
The problem Apple has now.....
...is that they have painted themselves into a corner design wise.
If they design anything with the slightest hint of any other manufacturers previous design then they are in for even more legal battles.
So they either just keep reconstituting their current design or they come up with something totally un-phone like.
Re: The problem Apple has now.....
Hmm, something unphonelike. Maybe if they had a triumvirate design team of MC Escher, Salvador Dali and Dr Seuss. Of course all of them being dead kinda stops that.
Re: The problem Apple has now.....
Salvidor Dali doing design?
It worked for Chupa Chups:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupa_Chups#Marketing
(One of the craziest films never filmed was to be an adaptation of Dune, with Salvador Dali as the Emporer, music by Pink Floyd, concept art by H.R Giger and spacecraft by Chris Foss, cast including Mick Jagger, Orson Welles and David Carradine)
I think goths would like a Giger-designed phone (would work in reinforced resin materials), I wouldn't mind a Chris Foss designed phone- though to be honest some HTCs begin to resemble his work once the anodising has chipped off them.
Re: The problem Apple has now.....
Now Un Chein Andalou eye phone would get noticed!
Re: MC Escher, Salvador Dali and Dr Seuss
Steve is dead too, he might be working with them on just such a project...
The only real winners are....
the lawyers.
All the lawyers involved are smiling.....all the way to the bank.
Perhaps Steve is still haunting Tim in a white polo neck (see Randall & Hopkirk) and all Tim does is relay instructions at board meetings.
Mine's white.
If the pressure to sue came from Steve Jobs why has Apple not settled with Samsung and put the case to bed?
This all out patent war has completely turned me off to Apple products. To me, Apple is turning a lot of potential customers off by their insane greed. They, rather than develop innovative new products, are trying to increase their market share by having Apple products being the only smartphone/tablet that you can buy. On the other side of the coin, by their 200 percent profit margin on Iphone 5 16 gig, they managed to accumulate a record bank account which they refuse to share with their investors! Add to that, those stupid patents that they are using in their patent war such as a rectangle with rounded corners, a general shape of an apple leaf or just swiping a touch screen shows an incredible lack of innovation and makes me wonder if some of that cash hoard has been used to bribe patent officials into accepting stupidity as a patent from Apple.
Thing is, had Steve Jobs been at Sansung, I'm sure the first thing he would have done when presented with a lawsuit is stop supplying parts.
(And I'm an Apple customer)
It wasn't about the money for a Jobs. I think he just wanted recognition that his designs have been ripped off.
Im not convinced
"It wasn't about the money for a Jobs. I think he just wanted recognition that his designs have been ripped off."
But they wernt were they?, have you ever met anyone who confused an iphone with any other phone?, i havnt.
Apple pinched quite a few things from Android as well (pull down notifications etc). Being inspired, improving upon and studying other companies ideas is how inovation works, Apple should know, they copied a lot of their ideas from other sources. Imagine if ford had patented a 4 wheel vehicle powered by an engine and stopped anyone else developing or selling one. Ford would be very, very rich and we would probably still be starting the thing with a crankhandle.
And why didnt Cook stop with the sueing and the rounded corner patenting if he wasnt sure about it?, did Jobs threaten to come back in a white sheet and haunt him if he did?
Re: Im not convinced
"But they wernt were they?, have you ever met anyone who confused an iphone with any other phone?"
That's an enormously succinct way of putting it. And very true. We can bitch and moan on both sides with "it looks like an iPhone/no it doesn't", but ultimately we - the informed users - are never going to mix the two up in either form or function, which clearly makes a lie of much of the litigation.
Re: Im not convinced
>but ultimately we - the informed users - are never going to mix the two up in either form or function
I'm not sure if you actually had to use the word 'informed'. From the court proceedings it seemed that the people who were actually sold something that 'looked like an iphone' and worked similarly to an iPhone, knew they weren't being offerred an iPhone but brought it because of what the salesman said in response to their query.
Re: Im not convinced
"I'm not sure if you actually had to use the word 'informed'. From the court proceedings it seemed that the people who were actually sold something that 'looked like an iphone' and worked similarly to an iPhone, knew they weren't being offerred an iPhone but brought it because of what the salesman said in response to their query."
I did, because the (UK) law does indeed suppose that the buyer isn't a monkey and that the typical man-in-the-street who buys a smartphone for £400 has at least a vague idea what he's looking at. This way re-iterated heavily by Judge Baylis in the UK hearing, who repeatedly told both parties that they were being ass-hats when they supposed that a customer would not -for example- turn the sodding thing over and look at the other side and see they were different.
Common Law is very much pitched at 'the man in the street', and such a person is generally assumed by the law to be smarter than some lawyers like to pretend them to be when building cases.
SamEsung
Samsung have been copying designs and interfaces for years now, they have ZERO innovation, seriously the only reason this is the first most people have heard of it is because Apple have the clout to stick it to them.
Did Samsung ripoff Nokia too???????
it looks like Samsung hasn't just been allegedly(-prevent libel) ripping off Apple either. Check this story out... http://nokiapoweruser.com/2013/02/14/did-samsung-lift-bendable-screen-tech-from-nokias-component-orders-nokia-rumored-to-dump-samsung-as-supplier/
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