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Windows Server 2012 kicks ass: discuss
A little experiment from us: we are rounding up comments on a couple of articles - and turning them into articles. Some might call this stretching the material - social media types might call it amplification. But we think that not all of our commentards are mad - and many have very interesting insights to share. Yesterday we …
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Re: Madness with Windows supporters
"Unix servers experienced a revenue decline of 14.2% year over year "
Yes but Linux != Unix !
Re: Madness with Windows supporters
Chuckle! Don't fret too much - it's obvious that Microsoft are spending an awful lot of money for paid trolls on El-reg! If their products were so good they wouldn't need to do this. Also - ever wondered why they are so greedy and need to put their prices up?
Re: Madness with Windows supporters
Yes they moved to Linux... in 2007. They moved back to Windows.
Stop using slashdot as a source.
Re: Madness with Windows supporters
NYSE Trading Platform
"Unparalleled Price-Performance
The Universal Trading Platform for International Markets runs on commodity
Linux hardware and standards-based communication protocols."
http://nysetechnologies.nyx.com/sites/technologies.nyx.com/files/L5756_NYSE%20Tech%20UTP_IM_OST_100105b.pdf
Re: Re: Madness with Windows supporters
The statement that Microsoft pays some commentards to troll on their behalf is... very silly.
To sum up
Windows Server can do some cool things Linux can't do easily.
Linux can so some cool things that Windows Server can't do easily.
Vive la difference!
HP G8 2012 server vs. P4 Linux server, fail!
A headhunter client of mine uses an app that stores all resumes in one folder for indexing, and pulls them up from there after searching. He's been a client of mine since the mid-90's on NetWare. He has 40,000 Word, txt and PDF files in there. Went to Windoze early 2000's with Win2k3. Windows server fell on its face. Tuned file system dropping 8.3 support, increased MFT size, etc. Opening folder went from 1:15 to 45 seconds. Pathetic. Placed files on old PC running Linux and Samba share, folder opens in 5 seconds. New HP G8 server with Windows 2012 server. Same thing...Old P4 PC with 512MB of RAM, 40-pin IDE drive, runs circles around new HP G8 with Windows 2012. Windows servers can not even perform the most basic of file server anywhere near other OS's. Fail. We won't even go in to Exchange vs. Kerio or Zimbra on Linux where 100GB of mail can be managed, searched, etc on an old P4 PC faster than a new G8 server from HP running Windows. Comments? I can be reached at microsoft.kiss@my-anus.com, yes that is my email address.
Re: HP G8 2012 server vs. P4 Linux server, fail!
Thats just bullshit. Server 2012 is the fastest NFS and SMB server that there is:
http://tech4b.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/mellanox-releases-infiniband-benchmark.html#!/2012/06/mellanox-releases-infiniband-benchmark.html
We have some folders that have over a million files in on NTFS / Windows Server.
linux choice list
I owe an apology to readers of The Register in my last comments on article about “Windows Server 2012 kicks ass”, which came across as incoherent and convoluted.
This was a result of my extreme frustration with several obviously Microsoft partisan commenters, responded to my comment with totally illogical , devious and flat out technically false statements that would turn any calm person blue.
In my initial comment, I indicated that the entities listed below had selected Enterprise Linux over “any” iteration of Microsoft Windows - from 2003 through 2008/2008R2 to 2012 for very high priority major projects and/or for their general Operation System (OS) infrastructure as well.
Not one of the dissenters challenged these entities as their reasons for choice of Linux or *BSD/UNIX over Windows OS, or could they, only rushing to attack me personally as a “UNIX Zealot”. Shooting the messenger without addressing the message seems to be a serious affliction in the American society.
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Criteria most always cited included by those in list - Reliability, Flexibility, Performance, Scalability, Security and to to a much less degree better Return on Investment (ROI)/Total cost of Ownership, or some combination thereof.
IBM - Watson Super computer – winner of the Jeopardy Game Ultimate Challenge
Z-series Mainframe Computers
PowerLinux and Power 7 Servers
Cisco - “Unified Computing” Servers, plus all medium and some higher range Routers
NASA - Mars Curiosity Mars Mission, costing over $400 million, as well previous Mars and Last Mon rover Missions.
Stock Exchanges - NASDAQ, NY Stock Exchange, Chicago Mercantile Exchange, London Stock exchange, Singapore Exchange, National Stock Exchange of India, Deutsche Borse, Tokyo Stock Exchange and others. The London Stock Exchange made unflattering statements after several very high profile failures of Microsoft technologies (and OS) in 2010.
Top500 - The top 500 most powerful Supercomputers in existence, of which approximately 94% run Linux or UNIX/BSD.
Cern - World renown Swiss Particle Physics Laboratory that recently discovered the “Higgs Boson” or “God Particle”.
Amazon - All of Amazon On-line Services infrastructure and EC2 Cloud Services. Windows customer cloud services are run in Virtualization.
Facebook - The entire foundation of Facebook technology is Linux OS based.
Netflix - FreeBSD based appliances stream millions of movies to customers per week.
Google - The entire infrastructure of Google is Linux OS based.
Oracle - Runs Solaris and their own “Unbreakable Linux” for the entire company.
Yahoo - Yahoo has for many years run it's network on FreeBSD and Linux OS.
Twitter - The complete back end operation of Twitter is Linux OS based.
Linked-In - Similar arrangement as Twitter above.
US Dept. of Energy
National Research Laboratories - Oakridge National Labs, Lawrence Livermore and others.
Airlines - Virgin Atlantic, Singapore Airlines, Lufthansa, others.
Boeing - Linux and UNIX for advanced Aircraft design and development.
Animation studious - Pixar, Disney Studios, Industrial Light & Magic, DreamWorks and others.
Most all of the Animation movies since Toy Story were created with Linux design and rendering.
US Dept. of Defense & DARPA - weapons design and testing, Naval vessels, Artillary. Satellite and Space equipment and technology, Cyber Security.
A portion of the many dozens, even hundreds of companies relying on Linux OS for major projects and in many cases all of their infrastructure: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
There are probably two hundred plus more bug guys and many hundreds of small entities that could be mentioned.
They all can't be wrong
top 500
94% run Linux or UNIX/BSD
it follows that about 6% of them run Windows HPC. Doesn't seem to be true, since as of summer 2012 it was only 2 machines, .4%. There might also be some mixed systems.
Re: linux choice list
Well most of your list are .COM entities, and Microsoft have historically not been great in the webserver space. (I understand that has changed in Server 2012, but it's early days yet.)
And another large set are calc farms - again another niche market where linux has historically been popular - primarily due to the toolset availability on Open Source platforms.
Relatively few of your examples are for standard enterprise server use - where Windows has a growing and much larger market share than Linux.
One of your statements is definately wrong "US Dept. of Defense & DARPA - weapons design and testing, Naval vessels, Artillary. Satellite and Space equipment and technology, Cyber Security." - actually they mostly use Windows - as do the UK military - especially for Command and Control and other critical systems - such as the well known 'Windows for Warships' - where Linux was evaluated and specifically rejected for security and cost reasons.
If I were to give a similar list i would simply say "Everyone Else".
What about HOME users??
Windows HOME Server cost only £40. They expect me to upgrade to this!?
technical knowledge and clarity
Note to Microsoft know-nothings
The New York Stck Exchange and "all" the other major stock exchanges in USA and Internationally run on Linux.
Quote:
"The conversion to Linux followed the acquisition of the Euronext exchange in 2007, and the open source operating system is now powering the NYSE's mission-critical trading systems."
See here:
"http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/02/01/windows_server_2012_reader_reaction/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/238068/how_linux_mastered_wall_street.html
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/new-york-stock-exchange-moves-to-linux.html
http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/news/1254860/NYSE-undertakes-IBM-mainframe-migration-to-Unix-and-Linux
This information is for the moro that thinks the word SQL stands for Microsoft SQLServer, thus N Stock exchane runs on Windows (sic)
It stands for "Structured Query Language" that was developed by IBM and is a sandard in all SQL databases, not just Microsoft's "rip off" from Sybase.
Re: technical knowledge and clarity
Posted: 11/29/2010
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Direct Edge Stock Exchange Chooses Windows over Linux; Reduces Latency by 83 Percent
Among stock exchanges, low latency—the speed at which a stock trade can be processed—is supreme. Direct Edge wanted to reduce the already low latency of its system, while supporting vastly larger trading volumes. It accomplished those goals and more by rejecting Linux or UNIX choices, instead building its new exchange on technology from Microsoft and Informatica. Since deploying Windows Server 2008 R2, Microsoft SQL Server 2008, and Informatica Ultra Messaging, Direct Edge has reduced latency by 83 percent, to just 340 microseconds, enabling a 580 percent increase in throughput, and it envisions further cuts in latency. Uptime is 100 percent to date. Since implementation, the company’s market share has increased based in part on its choice of platform. A 50 percent reduction in time to market meant a savings of U.S.$14 million in reduced operational costs. And a 25 percent smaller hardware footprint saved another $1 million.
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Re: technical knowledge and clarity
NASDAQ, which became the world’s first electronic stock market in 1971, and remains the largest U.S. electronic stock market, is constantly looking for more-efficient ways to serve its members. As the organization prepared to retire its aging large mainframe computers, it deployed Microsoft® SQL Server™ 2005 on two 4-node clusters to support its Market Data Dissemination System (MDDS). Every trade that is processed in the NASDAQ marketplace goes through the MDDS system, with SQL Server 2005 handling some 5,000 transactions per second at market open. SQL Server 2005 simultaneously handles about 100,000 queries a day, using SQL Server 2005 Snapshot Isolation to support real-time queries against the data without slowing the database. NASDAQ is enjoying a lower total cost of ownership compared to the large mainframe computer system that the SQL Server 2005 deployment has replaced.
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