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Apple has slapped an extra 64GB - and a $100 price increase - on its fondleslab range to create the 128GB iPad. An announcement today from Cupertino confirms the device's existence after references to the hardware were found in the newly released iOS 6.1. The new iPad will be available from US Apple stores, the company's website …

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Re: I thought you would be

Taking notes is not media consumption you muppet. It's creation. As is using the mind mapping software and word processor, both of which I use frequently instead of taking the heavy laptop and power supply especially when I need to be mobile within the office so can't stay plugged in.

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Re: I thought you would be

@Mr_Bungle yes I go to meetings, give presentations and input data to create a report. My last report is 87 pages and cost the company I produced it for £50k. Many people will read this report as it will be used for their IT strategy over the next 5 years as well as being used for budget planning. Maybe in your world there is nobody writing things worth reading but that doesn't mean that nobody does, try thinking outside your little box and someday somebody might want to read your stuff too.

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I have always thought of iPads as the Fisher Price Activity Centre of computing devices.

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Re: Re-ThornH - @G R Goslin

The hilarious thing is that while all these armchair experts are prognosticating how an iPad couldn't possibly run a modern CAD package or render AUTOCAD files, Autodesk have gone out and written a version that runs on iPads, iPhones and Android devices that lets you share, view and edit files with desktop systems. No one is suggesting that the iPad will replace full CAD workstations, but its a perfectly viable tool for taking drawings out into the field and making minor changes.

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An iPad might be the modern equivalent of the back of a fag packet, but back when I worked in metal bashing, just about all my employer's products started off as rough sketches on the back of a fag packet, either in a meeting room with our customers, or on the shop floor to fix a production cock-up. Being able to easily transfer sketches from fag packet to CADDS would have been Quite Handy.

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Re: Tablets are serious computing devices... @AC Vin Diesel is still a kind-of actor....

By precisely the same standard a iPad is a 'kind' of computer.

best of luck transporting your 450 passengers 5000 miles across the atlantic in cessna 152 with 2 seats and a range of 800 miles.

while you're doing that i'll be doing cad on this here iPad

the point is that we are talking about cad here - not just surfing the web and reading e-mail, which is indeed all that 98% of the worlds computers need to do. But that does not apply to CAD users.

And as for computers more than 5 years old, well i havent seen a serious CAD operator use a machine from 2007 since about 2009, so yes, pretty much any machine more than 5 years old is in the same box as an iPad - thats the one labeled 'crap not suitable for CAD.'

Wait til an array of iPads crops up on a list of the top 100 supers then i'll take it seriously (but i aint holding my breath)

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While the Casna might not have transatlantic range it will certainly let you ferry passengers who arrived on such a flight to their intended destination.

Similarly you can do all the heavy work on a full desktop workstation, but such a device isn't practical to take on site or down to the factory floor where the people who are actually building your fantastic design want to see what they are supposed to be making and enter minor corrections when things don't quite fit.

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Re: Tablets are serious computing devices... @AC

....as tablets can do at least 90% of what people use computers for......

Well, as around 50% of what I use computers for involves typing on a keyboard and requires a couple of full screen displays in front of me so I can both see WTF I'm doing and look at more than one thing at a time, in my case I have to call bullshit on that.

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Re: I thought you would be

@Lusty

Using an iPad in a meeting to take notes, or whatever is a perfecty valid use for an iPad - nobody said it wasn't. But doing 'serious work' on a computer does not equate to 'serious computing'. Do you thing sending an important corporate e-mail is serious computing as well? Well it isn't - if it was then my phone is a 'serious computing' device too. I think you may be confused as to what serious computing is - anwer - something that requires a serious piece of kit - and not an electronic journal.

PS. I can also take notes on my phone.

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Ironically you're right

Because what Apple really mean when they say you can do CAD on it is that some shithead salesman can come around to your house and show you mock up's of the new kitchen, extension, loft conversion etc in a SIM's kind of environment on their crappy iPad.

What they don't mean is that you can design anything of any real value that you can then send of to a fabrication plant and expect to get a working copy back ... or build a real building from etc.

Only when the Surface Pro comes out will Tablets will be serious computing devices with the required input devices to ensure accuracy and speed ... until then they are all little more than toys.

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Re: I thought you would be

Lol, I like the way you gave yourself away.

"data input while interviewing users about how they use their computers" come back when you have a real job.

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Re: I thought you would be

@AC, no the comment about serious computing device was as opposed to it being a toy computing device so was not referring to compute power. In this case, I am not confused about what serious computing is, it's anything that is not done for fun, and therefore anything work related fits the bill.

As to the other meaning, no an iPad is not a serious compute module, but then neither is your average office desktop capable of "serious compute" and even CAD these days often offloads the complex rendering bits to proper systems in the computer room rather than keep upgrading the endpoints. Serious CAD users don't give a flying fig what their endpoint is because it's only in charge of the input and display.

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Re: I thought you would be

I do have a real job, I'm a technical architect and interviewing users is a part of finding out how a company works. I don't work directly for the client and so don't necessarily know their business. Part of my job involves recommending endpoints for different user types (hint, there are more than one!) and other parts of my job involve recommending storage solutions, servers, management etc. In terms of endpoint recommendations, it's mainly fat desktop if we can get away with it, with management services to deploy them and the apps. I also sometimes recommend session visualisation or VDI where appropriate, but when I find users who spend a lot of time on trains commuting who don't need to write huge documents or source code (and there are a lot of people like this) then I often get them to try a tablet to see how it may complement what they do. You'd be amazed how many people, not just at board level, really value what these devices can offer once they realise it doesn't have to be a laptop replacement. Most geeks don't realise that it's not an either or choice and so they see tablet as a failure, but anyone who has invested some time in using one for business finds that they can and do add value and the pricetag is actually quite low for what they offer.

I like the way you gave yourself away too by the way. Anonymous Coward, come back when you get a job.

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Re: Ironically you're right

Supercilious something or other: I think rather a lot of people would benefit from the mock-up of their proposed new kitchen, extension etc. and I would call that a serious use of a tablet computer for something of serious value, or do yo live in a discarded cardboard box? In fact, many modern kitchen designs, once approved via an iPad or similar, probably do go, in effect, to a "fabrication plant" (workshop in English? Or factory?) to be tailored, prepared for delivery and fitting. I know a company supplying carpets to businesses with individual designs on them. They found it rather valuable when they gave all their chaps iPads and you may be surprised on how many of their carpets you have placed your feet.

It is just amazing how many snobbish little Luddites reveal themselves on these web pages. Catch up: it's 2013. Computing is changing and you had better keep up or move to something else. If youi really think only your version is valid, please get out of this profession. You are giving the rest of us a bad name as inflexible nerds who are not really very bright or practical.

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The only tablet

That requires a mortgage

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Re: The only tablet

Pauper.

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Re: The only tablet

You don't need to take out a loan to buy the thing - that would be very silly! If you aint got the readies for one, do the sensible thing and do not eat for a couple of years!

You will be both slimmer and have an iPad - Double the coolness!

You need to start thinking smart son, maybe even think different, if you want to be an iPad user!

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Re: The only tablet

Isn't choice a good thing? if someone really wants 128GB and has the money then let them buy it.

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Re: The only tablet

> Isn't choice a good thing? if someone really wants 128GB and has the money then let them buy it.

I would rather just plug a thumb drive into my phone.

...and I'm still waiting on something to top my Archos. It has 512GB.

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Re: The only tablet

Perhaps Apple could patent my new invention?

You see, what if there was a small hole in the side where a small plastic card about the size of your thumbnail could be inserted. This card could internally contain some solid state memory where files could be stored and read.

The customer could simply purchase such plastic cards with their desired capacity. They could call it a micro SD card.

Ahh, don't tell those folk at Samsung who definitely have no similar offering.

Furthermore, transferring large files could be done at over 40MB/s. Actually scrap that last point. I see no issues transferring 100 GB over Wi-Fi.

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Re: The only tablet.....

this here, whachercallit?? iMicro iSiD iCard...

how round are the corners?

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Otherwise the specs for the 9.7-inch tablet and its Retina screen remain the same

I wouldn't be so sure. They already released iPad4 without really telling anyone which practically doubled the performance. So this might indicate another refresh, which seems to be the plan rather than announcing new versions every time.

It's a lot of cash, but are there many 128Gb tablets out there?

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Re: Otherwise the specs for the 9.7-inch tablet and its Retina screen remain the same

Yep, any 64GB Samsung Tablet that has a card slot can take the 64GB micro SD card.

:)

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Re: Otherwise the specs for the 9.7-inch tablet and its Retina screen remain the same

= none

And even then it's not running iOS - I value security.

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Re: the iPad 4

So wait, would this be "The New iPad" or "The New New iPad" or "The New New New iPad" then?

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Re: Otherwise the specs for the 9.7-inch tablet and its Retina screen remain the same

@JDX - yes, undoubtedly some other stuff will have been updated to make room for the memory if nothing else.

It's still an eye-watering price, presumably to wave in the face of Windows Surface Pro waverers, in which case it's a good ploy: get the real thing.

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Re: Otherwise the specs for the 9.7-inch tablet and its Retina screen remain the same

Quite a few now we have the x86 tablets, and some have even more than that too. (Although admittedly, they also cost more than the low end tablets.)

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Re: Otherwise the specs for the 9.7-inch tablet and its Retina screen remain the same

Well the surface pro comes in a 128GB version. I expect the reason Apple released the update now was so that when the surface pro launches they can claim to be have been the first to implement such a wonderful "innovation" as 128GB of storage.

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@eSeM

Avoiding the question? No doubt we'll suddenly see a wave of Android 128Gb models because the average buyer will NEVER buy a SD card.

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Re: Otherwise the specs for the 9.7-inch tablet and its Retina screen remain the same

Thing is though that with the iPad you'll get to use most of the 128GB (and likewise with an Android tablet when fitted with that amount of storage). With the Surface a great chunk will be taken up with system stuff.

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customer: This entry-level iPad looks nice. How much to add another 16GB storage?

apple: $100

customer: And what about another 32GB on top of that?

apple: $100 more

customer: Suppos'n I want 64GB more after that?

apple: $100 more

Makes sense to me

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you got it wrong...

If you already own the $699 64Gb one, to upgrade to 128Gb costs you $799 or $929, not bad for 64Gb of extra storage... personally I'll just buy a few 64Gb usb drives for £30 each. Unlimited storage.... now why don't Apple think of that?

Yes, I know you can offload your ancient 64Gb iPad to some hard up wannabe fanboi for $xxx blah blah blah TCO blah blah... value for money blah blah. If you still think buying a complete new iPad is value for money compared to a £30 usb drive, you're a fool.

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Re: you got it wrong...

You know that funny word, "portable"? Do you understand "lightweight"? People looking for the kind of thing that is hardly bigger than an A4 block of paper are not interested in carrying around separate disc drives or swapping in and out SD cards and, news for you, a £30 USB drive is cheap for a reason - not because it is extra durable or reliable, especially when being carried around.

Even at home or in an office, most of us get pissed off with finding shelf or desk space for a myriad extra drives, cables, power supplies ....

Those days are gone, hence for most of the world, laptops ar replacing desktops with all the space they require unless you really need a vast amount of power for some specialised or badly written application. Wireless is replacing ethernet cables, ultrabooks are even replacing laptops. Come out of your cave and look around at how the rest of the world has evolved.

Lots of people have realised that throwing money at the problem can work out cheaper than making do and certainly make life pleasanter and, throwing enough at the right time can even be cheaper in the medium to long run.

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FAIL

How much?????

Come on, they're taking the piss.

Apple prices for flash memory makes Sony look reasonable.

When will people realise they're being right royally screwed?

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Re: How much?????

Don't want it? Then don't buy it!

Simples!

At no point do I ever remember Apple marching people into their shops and forcing people to buy their products at gunpoint.

Maybe, just maybe, people (and I mean REAL, NORMAL people, not us geeks), actually, you know, like their products and ease of use????

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Re: How much?????

@AC 18:14 Three friends of mine all dropped Apple devices for Android or Windows machines. I know no one who went from Android to Apple without their workplace picking up the tab (Pun intended).

Apple is like a stadium that bars you from bringing in your own food and drink then hoses you with $7 hot dogs.

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Re: How much?????

Android is like a stadium that lets you bring your own food and drink but infects it with a virus (malware).

Funny as I know people who have done the opposite - even some who took their Android tablets back after Christmas and bought an iPad Mini.

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Re: How much?????

"Three friends of mine all dropped Apple devices for Android or Windows machines..."

Everybody I ever knew, plus all the people in the pub at the moment, AND their friends, all spontaneously dropped their Android devices this afternoon and went out to buy iPads. See, this is conclusive proof that Android is shit, Apple rule the orchard and 94.7% of commentard statistics are made up on the spot.

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Re: How much?????

@djstardust they are taking the piss but in their defence they do use custom designed 3d chippery for the flash which will cost more than usual. It may not be a great defence but it is a defence :)

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Re: How much?????

Apple users have been screwed so many times it's become a way of life.

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Re: How much?????

Must be a different three people from the ones I know who went the other way. Oh well. My sample is more representative than yours.

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For $899 I can get this with 750 GB, i7 CPU and full keyboard.

http://www.techxtend.com/PPI_US/Product.aspx?sku=ZHI%20PF6566&source=WEBGSHOP

Edit: Oops. Just realized I can get my education discount on this as well. Looks like another $100 off.

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Not as portable though eh? You'd also be forever carrying the charger about with you too whereas the iPad lasts over a day in office usage.

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You want portable?

How about an ultrabook? A quick look at John Lewis (not a massively cheap outlet) will flog you a HP Envy Touchsmart i5 box with 8GB ram, 500GB HDD and a 32GB SSD for £800 all in. Go for a tailend Windows 7 ultrabook from an Amazon/eBay disposal store and you'd get an even better bargain.

Hell, a MacBook Air isn't much pricier than one of these iPads.

I like the iPad, but not at these prices.

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Re: You want portable?

> Hell, a MacBook Air isn't much pricier than one of these iPads.

That was a thought that struck me when buying the iPad1.

The tricked out tablet is not that much cheaper than an actual Mac.

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Re: You want portable?

Ultrabooks don't have the same great battery life. They may be better than laptops but not as good as an iPad. Also, laptops of any kind (including netbooks) are not as nice to use on the train and tube and therefore are not as portable. They also take considerably longer to start up, reducing casual usage to pretty much zero. The iPad can be turned on for a quick use then switched off again. To achieve this with a laptop it must stay in standby which uses power and warms my bag, even with Windows 8 on a decent laptop.

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Re: You want portable?

And the 11" air is very attractive and seems to please those I know who got one.

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And how many Android pads of reasonable spec could you get with that? And how many SD cards?

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iCloud??

"Phil Schiller suggested iPad owners could use the extra space on their tablets to store all their work and media without needing "their old PCs”."

I thought that's what the iCloud was for

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