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Cupertino’s prudery has struck again, after photography market 500px’s app was pulled from the AppStore over its depiction of nudity. According to the company’s COO Evgeny Tchebotarev, the app disappeared at around 1am (US Eastern time) on January 22. The million-download app has reportedly been spiked because it allows users …

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Re: It Depends On How Big You Are...

I still had to scroll down and click twice to see them...several times.

All I need is the coat...

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"That's not art"

Did Apple really say that?

I'm not sure of the point at which art shades into pornography - to be literal, pornography is pictures of, or writing about, prostitutes - but I wouldn't expect the staff of Apple to be the ones to make the distinction.

Botticelli's Birth of Venus is a good example. According to some reports the lady in the centre of the picture was a notorious prostitute, in which case it's pornography. But according to others, Botticelli was a very moral and respectable artist who would never have used such a subject; in which case it's art.

There are clearly cases where Apple's policy needs to be in quantum superposition, and only when you look at the picture does it fall into one state or the other. (On visits to the Uffizi, I've always felt it was art).

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Re: "That's not art"

In the 1970s South Africa had a government rule for distinguishing pictures of art from obscenity in the book trade. The art pictures were in hardback books - the obscene ones were in softback books.

The public library in Pretoria had a full set of the Time-Life books on photography. Pictures of naked people had neat triangles cut out to remove the breasts and pubes.

There was an infamous poster of a silhouetted couple facing each other on a beach at sunset. The poster was periodically banned - then unbanned. It all hinged on whether the censor thought the woman's outline showed she was not wearing her bikini top. The publishers were delighted - and not just with the publicity. Every time it was banned then it was illegal to possess a copy bought previously - and buyers were supposed to destroy them.

One evening my boss took me to a drive-in - along with his pre-teen children. The film had been censored to remove a brief shot of a woman's breasts - but otherwise was uncut for "General" viewing. The film? "Dirty Harry".

It was a society of violence, personal guns, and corruption in public office. Yet prudish to the point of some public swimming pools having an enforced rule of half a metre separation between men and women in the water.

The liberal Jo'burg Morning Star newspaper was delighted to quote an offended minister of the NGK church - "If God had intended for us to walk about without any clothes - then we would have been born naked".

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Re: "That's not art"

You missed the bit, pointed out to me with much amusement by an ANC supporter in 1980, that unmarried Zulu women often go around bare breasted. But they were Africans, so it didn't matter.

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Re: "That's not art"

"If God had intended for us to walk about without any clothes - then we would have been born naked".

Gone straight on my list of top 10 quotes. Have an up-vote for your trouble sir

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Re: "That's not art"

Not that I trust the internet, but apparently that's a Mark Twain:

"If God had meant for us to be naked, we'd have been born that way."

http://quotations.about.com/od/marktwainquotes/a/twainreligion.htm

(A new favourite for me too...)

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Re: "That's not art"

"But they were Africans, so it didn't matter."

I seem to remember a visiting Zulu dance troupe in London having to cover their breasts for fear of offending an English audience?

However the young women's bikinis on Durban beach were just a few pieces of string with hardly enough cloth for a pocket handkerchief.

A 1972 telephone directory was recalled because someone objected to a Kodak advert with a picture of a woman in a bikini - not one of the skimpy ones either.

It was said that the Afrikaans families kept their daughters under strict control until they were 18 - and then wondered why they quickly became pregnant afterwards. On the other hand English-South African mothers were reputed to put the Pill in their teenage daughters' breakfast cereal. They didn't condone the swinging-60s culture - but wanted to play safe.

Tom Sharpe's South African novels summed up the 1960/70s atmosphere very well - and aren't as exaggerated as people might think. See "Riotous Assembly" and "Indecent Exposure".

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Re: Prudish yanks

The USA has also been exporting its prudish attitudes. In the 1970s Sweden was a fairly free of such attitudes. My friends report that in the last twenty years they have seen an increase in self-censorship because of USA criticisms trying to make them feel guilty.

The UK government agencies have also imbibed from the same poisoned chalice.

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Chalice with the palace? Heard it got broken, so now take the flagon with the dragon...

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RE: Victorians

Where do you think they got it ?

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"Where do you think they got it ?"

There was a programme on BBC Four last week about the use of the fig leaf in sculpture. The Victorian prudish attitude seems to have been a middle-class thing - reacting against the excesses of the court of William IV (The Prince Regent). In private Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were anything but prudes - but they maintained a facade that was aimed at averting further public criticism of the Royal Family.

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Yeah yeah. Wake me up when the BBC shows a pair of tits before 9pm*, then we can talk about those prudish Americans.

* Ant and Dec don't count

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@Eddie

"* Ant and Dec don't count"

Oh yes they do - all the way up to 11 (well, 10 1/2 actually) - if they keep their hands in their pockets

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Oh, the irony!

The pic Register choosed to lure us breast possesed to read this article is a painting by Adolf Ulrik Wertmüller.

Danae and the golden rain. The golden rain in this case is the semen of Zeus which produced the hero Perseus.The painting has been hanging on a wall at the National Museum of Art in Stockholm since I was a toddler. It hasn't twisted my mind. Not a lot. ;-)

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Re: Oh, the irony!

But...the rediscovery of classical antiquity was all about art, and nothing at all to do with providing an excuse for rich patrons to hang up pictures of young ladies who had forgotten to get dressed before leaving the house.

Mrs. Disraeli to a hostess: "I find our bedroom contains an obscene painting. I have been up all night preventing Disraeli from looking at it". How, was not specified.

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The real obscenity

Hey, you need a credit card dregistered so your kiddy can use kiddy apps which encourage said kiddy to buy lots of things without parent's knowledge and this can't be disabled.

And no parental control over this.

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Re: The real obscenity

The parental control is not being stupid enough to give a 7 year old spendaholic your Apple ID password.

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What is it with Americans hating naked people?

Their priorities are totally screwed!

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But I thought it was OK as long as there are urns, or cherubs in the picture?

Shows it must be art, dunnit?

That's what Sgt Colon told me

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Re: But I thought it was OK as long as there are urns, or cherubs in the picture?

All it needed was a title that made a reference to the classical world, particularly mythology. Still happens today.

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Re: But I thought it was OK as long as there are urns, or cherubs in the picture?

>All it needed was a title that made a reference to the classical world

The Rape of the Sabine Women by Rubens?

(Okayokay, I know that in this context 'rape' means 'abduction', as in the word 'rapacious'. )

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Re: But I thought it was OK as long as there are urns, or cherubs in the picture?

The ancient Greek/Roman myths were full of abductions and rapes - so plenty to choose from. To name a few there are paintings/sculptures of the abductions of Polyxena, Europa, Proserpine, Ganymede - then the more literal rapes like Danae, Leda, Ganymede.

One Victorian sculptor went too far. He painted his female nude sculpture in natural flesh colours - which is what the Greeks had also done originally. This caused Establishment outrage as it removed the "safe" distance of one merely admiring a white marble statue.

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Wait, what?

The Daily Mail... sorry BBC have sexed up the report as a child pr0n app.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21160812

At his rate, by the end of the day, I think this lone app may actually be responsible for 9/11

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BBC Link

Aunty headlines this as being pulled due to "complaints over possible child pornography" - Not any actual such content then - just that there may be, sometime, somewhere, somehow, perhaps...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21160812

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Patience, lads! The wall is crumbling!

Yerright! The USA has been in the grip of religious prudes for decades. Thankfully, their odious grip is slipping daily. It's pretty easy to generate a transient storm of strident parents if a nipple shows on TV, but they lack the power to legislate their oppression anymore.

Here in my home state we've recently managed to pass Sunday alcohol sales in spite of their pious bleating, and even managed to overturn an ancient anti-sodomy law. It's pretty sad we ever had those laws, but it's PROGRESS to beat them back!

Apple is simply being a wimp. It's going to take Apple a while to shake off the many stupid policies imposed by Jobs, this is one of them. Gee, wonder if having the dead Steve Jobs deciding what you can do with an I-phone is holding back international sales?

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Re: Patience, lads! The wall is crumbling!

That's right, you asked for it, remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over

-Heavenly Bank Account by Frank Zappa

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Fart? OK. Art? Not OK.

And the stupidity of protecting "children" from breasts, but serving them graphic or implied violence.

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