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A day before Apple's quarterly results land, Tim Cook will also have to deal with the some unwelcome stats on iOS smartphone market share, showing that the iPhone still trails Android in all markets but the US and Japan. The US remains Apple's global heartland, and Christmas sales stats from consumer group Kantar World Panel …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I have yet to buy anything from android...

    Why does the market continue to measure Android OS to iPhone.

    Each manufacturer needs to be broken out - regardless of OS adoption -

    Samsung/Android work differently and as they add features will continue to be segmented from the rest of the android market. Same for Googorola, HTC.

    If everyone manufacturer ran the same exact code from android, with the same interface, same patch/applications etc then you could lump them all in one -

    As it is - each release is different -

    What is the market share -

    Samsung/Andriod

    HTC/Android

    Motorola/Android

    to

    Apple iPhone/iOS

    etc.

    1. ThomH

      Re: I have yet to buy anything from android...

      In a lot of press it's because the press releases make that comparison, and the press releases more often make that comparison because — as you imply — there's more people that want to make their camp look larger. It's also a much easier narrative.

      The technical press probably do it entirely because firms that chose to support Android devices on their infrastructure really don't care whether there's TouchWiz or whatever on top or not, and people who make money through applications similarly either put resources into iOS or put them into Android. Writing an Android application for a Samsung phone is no different from writing one for an HTC phone.

      I guess the main people that really want a firm-by-firm breakdown are investors, which are the exception.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Apple and Android email problems?

    I'm reading reports of email problems with both Apple phones and pads. Her new mini ipad lost all her emails on Friday and the pad will now not let her delete items. Fortunately her laptop had backup copies, but I've never experienced this sort of problem with other OSs in the last ten tears. However, the same problems now seem to appearing on Android phones. Anyone know why phone makers can't get email consistently right? Haven't seen this problem reported on Windows phones yet. Blackberry?

    1. jai

      Re: Apple and Android email problems?

      PEBKAC?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Apple and Android email problems?

      Because it usually isn't the phone, it's the network.

      BB have had issues with BIS, but Playbook email is pretty good. The UI is not as good as webOS, the orphan child gold standard for email, but BB handling of filters and attachments is excellent, and I can type easily on the PB keyboard with 2 thumbs.

      I'm waiting for BB10 because I suspect it will be the arthropod's limb flexure points for messaging, but at the end of the day it will still depend on server and connection.

  3. nimbo

    Really?

    Except you don't "buy" an android. It just happens to be the crappy OS that comes with a bunch of smartphones made by dozens of manufacturers.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Really?

      "Except you don't "buy" an android. It just happens to be the crappy OS that comes with a bunch of smartphones made by dozens of manufacturers."

      Except you don't "buy" Windows. It just happens to be the crappy OS that comes with a bunch of PCs made by dozens of manufacturers.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You chose iOS you end up with android on cheap ass freebie phones where users buy apps / media and often don't even have data tariffs.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I chose Symbian/UIQ and ended up with android because they stopped making the one I wanted.

  5. Roland6 Silver badge

    It was always going to happen...

    History tells us that when someone has a highly profitable monopoly brought about by being a first mover and having a compelling proposition - it is inevitable that others will follow and take market share. The only question is just how fast this occurs.

  6. Phormic

    So in the US, the iPhone captures 63% of smart phone sales at Verizon, 77% at Sprint and over 80% at AT&T.

    I don't know much longer the iPhone can "hang on" for. It's getting desperate.

    1. Darryl

      You know that the world extends beyond the shores and borders of the US, right?

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge
        Stop

        @ Darryl - the world has shores? What, you mean apart from Lake Michigan, Lake Erie and Lake Huron? Are those Canucks up to something again? Next thing you'll be telling me is that the world is round and millions of years old!

      2. Phormic

        I'm well aware of that and indeed, I reside beyond those shores. I'm merely amused how the Reg colours (see the spelling there) their story titles to please the preferences of their target audience.

        Anyway, Apple's financials are out tomorrow so we'll see how desperately they're "hanging on" in the face of the unstoppable bone crushing market dominance, that is the relentless Android juggernaut, that's sweeping all before it.

        1. Philip Lewis
          Coat

          It is widely purported that "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit". I disagree wholeheartedly!

  7. heyrick Silver badge

    I'm writing this on my NEW Android phone

    Why Android? I know how it works and feels. I have an app that automatically saves install packages to these card (useful to revert when devs decide to take out all the good stuff to justify a paid version), and it also means purring my core apps on to another phone is draggy-droppy and then just working my way down the list.

    The phone? Sony Xperia U with a freaky coloured bar thing. Not perfect, but pretty impressive for €39, and I have a form to fill in to get €30 refunded. So on a basic contract a dual-core HD capable phone with a, frankly, lovely display will have cost me €9 with a fairly basic contract. Need I say more?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I'm writing this on my NEW Android phone

      Strangely Apple do not have to give money back coupons - wonder why? Friend went to buy an iPhone adn they had sold out (although were expecting them in within days) - so I'd say demand is still probably high. Pre-Xmas they were selling everything they could actually make - they found production of the new models had some issues but remember they are just a single manufacturer.

      1. vic 4
        Trollface

        Re: Strangely Apple do not have to give money back coupons - wonder why

        Because to the people who buy them it would cheapen the image?

  8. nanchatte
    Happy

    Optional

    Every year, someone says Apple should make a cheaper iphone...

    I, personally don't think they need to - they might to temporarily appease shareholders- but they don't have to per se. This article quite rightly points out that older models mostly fill that gap...

    I'd wager that Apple, being Apple has actually done some some pretty spiffy Excel jiggery pokery (sorry, I'm not in planning) to determine that the costs in terms of R&D, testing, software compatibility complexity increases and perhaps most importantly, the more nebulously defined "brand dilution" by introducing something plasticky, would not be offset by gains in profit margins (forget unit sales figures)...

    Let's face it, keeping older models on the market allows them the luxury of clearing old stock at greater than cost price! i.e. Apple literally has a couple of years to shift leftover stock first to the lower shelves, then low/end retailers and finally overseas to less affluent markets, where the 3GS is still available.

    And all of this while still making a profit of every device sold!

    I'm sure (but have no proof, TBH) that other companies would love to be able to offload ancient, (by mobile standards) unsold stock, but instead they make a multitude of different handsets, each with separate inventory / models / options and have to keep these separate stocks available and recall them from the channel if unsold.

    I still believe it is this almost Orwellian simplicity that is a pillar of Apple's strength, and every additional model, every additional go-faster-stripe dilutes this advantage.

    In the end, I personally think they just need to stay focussed and up the ante on their main iPhone, which is still doing remarkably well by anyone's standards, and catch up with (or keep ahead of, depending on where you sit) the increasingly aggressive competition.

    1. Philip Lewis
      Go

      Re: Optional

      I might add that the 3GS is a fine phone, runs iOS6 (minus some newer apps) and does so as fast or faster than iOS5 (thanks to browser software update). The phone may not be bleeding edge, but for the masses with less to spend, the 3GS does provide the same Apple user experience at a fraction of the cost of the latest and greatest iPhone5. Apple don't need a low cost model because they already have the 3GS and 4(S).

      There is a lot to be said for Apple's approach.

      I gave my 3GS to my gf quite recently, and she is well pleased as a significant upgrade from the 2G she had (which still works just fine, but won't run a few of the apps she wants to use - another story).

      I have a company iPhone5 sitting in a drawer unopened and unused. I prefer my N9 these days.

      Tonight, Apple will announce their actual sales figures, rather than the pseudo numbers Samsung and other companies like to trot out. I predict Apple will have sold a gazillion iPhone5s and that the journalists and analysts who have been collectively wetting themselves in glee over the "failure" of the iPhone5 and falling over each other to publish unsubstantiated guesswork as news will be made to look like the uninformed dorks that they are. I further predict that Apple will be substantially richer than they were at the end of the last quarter.

      I might be wrong, we will all know tonight.

      philip

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Optional

        I just bought more AAPL - so many people are talking them down it's actually a great buying opportunity.

        "Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful."

        I actually believe the analysts are happily talking the stock down while others are picking it up cheap - it's about $500/share at the moment and I would be surprised if it did not top $700 by summer - some analysts are setting target prices up to and over $1000.

        If you look at the real profits they are making and the PE ratio they look cheap to me - they have seen their market share fall but that's pretty obvious as more people enter the market and sell cheap stuff at zero margins - as long as plenty of people are still buying Apple why should they really care. BMW do not sell as many cars as Ford but there is still a market for both.

  9. Silverburn

    Missing "heartland"

    fanboi/fandroid bickering aside, it should be noted that there is one bastion missing from Apple's heartlands - Switzerland. Apple have got it completely stitched up here - phones, tablets and the desktop.

    The only one making any real inroads here is Samsung, with the S3, Note and Note 2. Even the Apple-loving Swiss know the feeble upgrade that is the iphone 5 is not worth the upgrade cost - lots of people here staying on 4/4S's or jumping the fence to samsung - the bigger screen and "something different" being the main reasons in my informal survey (ie I asked people in the office).

    You'll note I make no reference to iOS or Android in post - because Joe Public buy phones, not OS'es.

  10. JibberJabberBadger

    What's it worth?

    I haven't had time to dig yet, so does anyone know how much profit Apple and Google make from their "phone businesses"? My point is, yes, Android may be winning in terms of OS market share globaaly, but are they making much money from it?

    Yes, I know it's a long term game for them, but Apple are famous for wanting to make lots of money from a small market share, something they seem to do quite well.

    As a disclaimer, I've owned Apple related products for about 15 years, non-Apple gear for 25, am writing this on a windows laptop and the last device of any sort I bought was a Nexus 10...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      That's the real question, isn't it?

      Who cares how many units were shipped - we want to know how much cash was spent by real people on each model/os combination and how much profit was made. Also: how compelling are these phones? Once people are tired of their HTC, do they buy another HTC, or do they switch to another android phone, or even an iPhone? Same for Samsung?

  11. adnim

    I bought an Android

    Until a few days ago I only ever owned simple phones; voice and text. The last one had WAP (no comment)

    Having used Android and iOS on the phones of friends, I wasn't particularly impressed with either.

    They are consumer operating systems for mobile devices. Both are locked down, both are restrictive and both monitor the user (anonymously as stated by both Apple and Google or otherwise). Neither allow fine grain control over what hardware/data an application can access or transmit. Basically one does not own an Android or Apple phone, or tablet for that matter. One uses a device that is really owned, as in the sense pwned by Apple or Google.

    I have been in IT for over 20 years and at various times responsible for the security of networks and servers.

    Why would I use such a device? Why would any IT security professional use such a device? Why would anyone with a clue use such a device? A device that is partly under the control of a third party. A device which is basically controlled and monitored by a global corporation.

    I can understand the average consumer being drawn to the convenience and feature list of both iOS and Android, they are wonderful consumer toys. Yet how many consumers realise that once they start using the OS they have become an Apple or Google product and asset?

    I bought a HTC Wildfire for £30. It now has Cyanogen mod 7 as its OS.

    I have replaced the hosts file. I have installed a terminal emulator and sshd.

    I can edit every single file on the device and do whatever I want with it.

    It's just like having small Linux PC in my pocket, it makes a damn fine audio media player too.

    I could have bricked it had I made a mistake, but that was a risk I was prepared to take in order to have a phone which I fully owned and controlled.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I bought an Android

      Well done Mr. 0.0001% of the population.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I bought an Android

      Mr security expert, every time you make a call, something (so it follows, someone) knows where you are. Have you audited very line of code running on the device? Maybe something skips your hosts file, maybe there are some hard-wired ip addresses in there pointing to servers just waiting to slurp your credit card details.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I bought an Android

        If security is one of your prime concerns you would NOT be buying Android and certainly not installing 3rd party 'custom' ROMs - barmy.

      2. adnim
        Meh

        Re: I bought an Android

        I have no control over the phone hardware. I have no control over the tracking of the phone radio nor do I have control of the firmware in the radio module. I am not a security expert as you sarcastically presumed Mr Coward. Yet I still know the limits of my knowledge and control over the device.

        I have managed without mobile Internet access since I was born I really don't need it now. I might want it on occasion but this does not justify the security risk of using the phone radio for data comms. There are plenty of free wifi or cheap wifi hotpots should Internet access be important when not at home.

        I don't have to audit every line of code, it is audited by the community. This doesn't mean the software is perfect or totally secure. however, the fact that every line of code can be scrutinised by anybody instills more confidence in me than any closed source system.

        I have control of the ROM and the software installed on the device. I can proxy through Honeywall should I suspect the ROM or any installed software and monitor IP comms.

        I shrug at the downvotes...The device is far more secure now than it was on the original ROM and is quite probably far more secure than any shipped Android based or iOS based device.

        Do I trust it 100%? I probably trust it less than you trust your device.

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          1. adnim
            Meh

            Re: Oh Mr Adnim...

            If you wish to interpret my words that way so be it. However I would have actually used the word expert would that have been what I meant. I was implying experience not expertise.

            I don't mind admitting that I am more a Jack of all trades than a master of one.

            Now we have got past your misunderstanding, rather than critise people like you, I would prefer to hear your comment on the actual topic at hand. Your opinion on my level of expertise and what you read into my words is irrelevant.

  12. Longrod_von_Hugendong
    FAIL

    my next phone...

    is probably not going to be an iPhone, after seeing how my wifes 10 week old iPhone 5 is damaging. For a £500 phone its crap, Apple says - nothing we can do, its still working. I will be glad when Tim cook gets booted, Apple is going down the pan since Steve left us.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: my next phone...

      Damaging - I dropped mine from head height onto a solid paved surface - minor scratch (I was actually expecting much worse). Maybe you should invest in a case like most iPhone (and non-iPhone users I know) - wish I had at that time!

      My wife's iPhone 4 bangs around in her handbag - she has a case but 'forgets' to use it - considering all that it's still in great shape.

      What do you expect - try dropping a Galaxy S3 or Note 2 from head height - I would expect it to fare no better.

      1. Silverburn
        Coat

        Re: my next phone...

        Normally, people just hang up by pressing the button after they take it away from their head. Dropping it onto the floor seems a little extreme.

  13. D@v3
    FAIL

    "showing that the iPhone still trails Android"

    This isn't really surprising when you consider that "the iPhone" is one of at most 4 handsets, (3gs, 4, 4s, 5) with only one of them being current, most at the same or very similar price points.

    Against "Android" which will currently have (probably) hundreds of handsets available, across dozens of manufacturers many of which will have (at least) one 'current' (hight end) handset, all selling at vastly different prices from <£100 to >£500.

    Trying to compare sales figures from one OS, made by one hardware manufacture, to another OS made by dozens, just isn't going to match up.

    The closest analogy I can come up with (and I'm only doing this because everyone loves car analogies) is trying to compare Mazerati sales (2 models, high price) with Ford sales (dozens of cars, different styles {small cars, big cars, vans...} each car often having different spec/price points) Of course Ford / Android are going to come out on top.

  14. feanor

    Listening to Apple fans talk about people who choose to use Android is like listening to homophobes talk about gay people. "Uuuurgh! You made a choice that I don't even understand as a choice. Choosing different from everyone else is so alien to my mentality that rather than try to understand your choice I'm going to hate and revile it, you and everything about you so that I can defend my shaken reality"

    Its just a bloody phone. Some people buy out of habit, some because its cheap, some because its convenient, some because they carefully considered the options. Android is causing more people to choose it for all of these reasons. Deal with it. And grow up.

    1. Silverburn

      You do realise that your quoted statement can be recited - word for word - by the fandroids as well?

      Fanboi-ism of any kind is toxic to any reasoned argument.

      1. feanor

        I can only say that in my experience that isn't true. Android owners seem to have specific reasons for not wanting an iPhone. iPhone users tend to just look at you as if you had asked a blindingly stupid question.

  15. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge
    FAIL

    Android must be failing

    because I've replaced my Android (HTC Sensation) with a Nokia running Symbian.

    People will buy and use what suits them best. Note the use of the word THEM.

    most of the people I work with have iPhones and they don't gripe about some missing feature. I griped about my Android because there was no way to remove the Facebook and Twatter apps. In the end I tried to replace the standard rom with a cyanogen build and bricked it totally. Meh.

    Then I looked at what I used the phone for and you know what, I didn't use all that many 'smartphone' features on a regular basis hence my selection of a pretty old (by modern standards and *boi ratings) phone. It works for me

    Well, the only thing missing is a dual sim. But for some reason even Samsung thinks that the UK does not need a dual sim phone whereas if you go to the City Mall in Amman, the Samsug Dual Sim phones are advertised everywhere (Pah)

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