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‘Anonymous’ hacks Oz Uni’s email to protest bulk iPad buy

Email servers at the University of Western Sydney, which last year announced it would hand iPads to all staff and over 10,000 incoming students, have been hacked by someone using the name ‘Anonymous’. The University is known to use Microsoft’s live@edu hosted email service. The attacker has used the University’s servers to send …

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Angel

"Pencil and paper? No Spam either."

Sir, I submit that you have never had someone else doodle in your margins.

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Re: What's the alternative?

And has anyone yet mentioned the extraordinary iTunesU content stream produced by the world's leading universities? An unparallelled resource directly available on an iPad. I don't think there is any Android resource anywhere that even comes within a billion lightyears of it.

Honestly, you apple-haters should really just .... oh go away :)

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Re: "Pencil and paper? No Spam either."

> Sir, I submit that you have never had someone else doodle in your margins.

What I keep in my margins is my own affair, Sir.

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Re: What's the alternative?

> My text books don't run out of batteries either.

Good point. I have some that have been in standby mode for 30 years, never recharged, but still worked when I used them.

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Re: What's the alternative?

So the Universities support Apple by spending god-knows-how-much on ipads, because they support Apple by only creating content for the minority of Apple users? That's a circular argument.

It's all part of the same problem - why isn't that available for everyone, whether using a more popular platform like Android or Windows, or just something different like Linux (or indeed OS X!)

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Re: What's the alternative?

"I would be interested to see the average test scores of the pupils there pre and post the iFlood."

The tests have show that their angry birds scores were significantly higher after...

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Re: What's the alternative?

Quote: I would be interested to see the average test scores of the pupils there pre and post the iFlood.

Oh please, we all know their results will be better this time round. That's an inevitable consequence of lowering the test standards.

Anonymous Coward

Let me guess - the solution is open source right?

Let me guess - the rant suggested that the university go with an open source solution right?

WTF?

Re: Let me guess - the solution is open source right?

itunes U is genius - anybody posting against ipad here tried it? you can even get a lot of free courses from other renowned universities.

besides offering hosting of the content for itunes U, this content is not locked on Apple, you can view it on Android too with TunesViewer (only view no full interaction like itunes U).

but hey, if you spend your time kicking down others' sand castles, you probably don't take advantage of superior knowledge (to be found in Universities). bloody anon bullies/terrorists.

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Re: Let me guess - the solution is open source right?

If it can be used on Android, then the argument for using ipads in the first place is void.

(And I've love to check it out, but oh wait, like most people I have a laptop. Even if it's not DRM-locked, that doesn't make it easy for most people - why cater for the minority first?)

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The message the hackers sent was spot on! Apple is a locked down NIGHTMARE. And using a MS server to send email is just asking to be hacked.

University DOUBLE FAIL!

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Apple is a locked down NIGHTMARE

Apart from it's not, when it comes to educational material. Cumbersome? Yes. Counter-intuiative? Yes. Locked down? No - most education material is DRM-free.

And using a MS server to send email is just asking to be hacked.

Which is why all those corps with exchange have already been hacked...oh wait.

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Apple is a locked down NIGHTMARE. And using a MS server to send email is just asking to be hacked.

Damn, I cleaned out my "ignore" settings after testing. Thanks for the reminder why I was looking at that feature.

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UWS

Unsafe Windows Setup

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Re: UWS

Probably just had the admin credentials on a Post-It like everywhere else that's not worth hacking.

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Disgruntled student?

I reckon.

Perhaps he was hoping for something a bit more Androidy.

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So as I suspected...

..Anonymous are a bunch of "Windows Kiddies"..

My advice to any University is to supply Windows 8 fondleslabs, that way Windomynous will be at peace...

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Sigh...

I can't agree with the decision to buy iPADs, but seriously: Protecting people's free speech on the internet by selectively taking out the systems of people whose use of free speech you disagree with is not legitimate protest.

Anonymous Coward

he has a point

I don't bemoan the fact that they gave out iPad's, I do bemoan the fact that uneducated marketing tools got to call the shots on IT purchases and strategy.

I ran an InfoSec team within one of the worlds largest banks and had to constantly deal with the fallout from marketing departments doing dumb shit like this.

Everyone else in the company has to go through an exhaustive justification and requirements process to put anything in place, yet these asshats some how chase the latest shiny shit with no justification whatsoever. Oh and guess who cleans up the mess they leave.

If people weren't such gullible morons these people would be out of a job.

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Re: he has a point

"I ran an InfoSec team within one of the worlds largest banks and had to constantly deal with the fallout from marketing departments doing dumb shit like this."

The problem is sometimes IT departments do not always know what the customer (their users) want - they have their own agenda and likes / dislikes.

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Re: he has a point

And you know it was only the marketing department who had any input to this, not the academic faculty because?

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Re: he has a point

Total cost of ownership is an easy sum to arrive at.

Purchase price + support costs.

Not to mention the choice of device or computer must run the software you want to use.

This is where Windows nearly always wins. The purchase price of a Windows computer is more or less the same as one with Linux pre-loaded. But the support costs are cheaper for Windows compared to Linux. Windows runs all the commercial software people want to use. The alternatives just don't cut it.

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Meh

Most likely an Apple marketing ploy with freebies and discounts

Many equipment and software builders has 'education' plans whereby they offer discounts to schools and students.

They should check the Uni's purchasing staff and the Presidents office, as well as their children, to see if they got free handouts.

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Re: Most likely an Apple marketing ploy with freebies and discounts

Every company does it, Microsoft used to do it when Gates donated licences and computers to education establishments.

Linux vendors are too small to do the same.

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Anon don't make actually bother making a rational case for which tablet to use instead... for textbooks, only the the Nexus 10 springs to mind, though f you took a hit on screen res, a Galaxy Note could be handy for annotations and presentations.

A quick web search reveals the existence of the Kuno, an Android tab aimed specifically at the education market (and only sold in bulk to schools, it seems), but with a 9.7”: 1024x768 16:9 screen. Not ideal. However, it is designed to managed centrally.

http://www.mykuno.com/index.html

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Best alternative is a Chromebook

Cheaper, great battery life and actually more usable in classes in that you can type much faster than tap.

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Re: Best alternative is a Chromebook

ditto an Apple eMate 300! (Joking!)

A 1997 Apple Newton PDA with keyboard in a pre-iMac translucent clamshell, for schools only. Only saw one, my Design and Technology teacher had one to play with in an all Mac school - though a room adjoining the workshop in which we used drawing boards is now full of Windows SolidWorks workstations

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Re: Best alternative is a Chromebook

iPads can use any bluetooth keyboard you check at it. So really a void case to start with. However, I do feel that Anon need to stop treating these smaller issues with such brute force. If the said 'anon' person went to the University, wouldn't of it been more effective to voice a petition?

At primary and secondary school level, I can see where iPads or such tablets can be effective at engaging learning. University though? Most students made the choice to go and shouldn't need engaging. Ultrabooks or 13" laptops should do the trick to facilitate learning. Even giving each student a voice recorder each to record lessons would be more effective than a tablet.

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Re: Best alternative is a Chromebook

Great idea. 200 students in a single room, all using laptops which require always-on internet. No problems there at all for the WiFi.

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Re: Best alternative is a Chromebook

Why on earth would any establishment give their students a SpyBook? "All your data are belong to us" - Google.

Just give em a normal laptop.

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Re: Best alternative is a Chromebook

And an ipad is different because? Laptops and their OSs are typically far better at coping in offline circumstances, than oversized phones that are called tablets, due to their history.

Meh

I think the funniest thing is the idea that a university is spending their own money to provide students with something for free.

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Apple is a locked down NIGHTMARE

And that's the big reason to use them, right there. No hacking. No viruses. No malware inserted along with your memory card... the iPad is PERFECT for the consumption of content: podcasts, videos, iTunesU, textbooks, magazines, flyers, info sheets, assignments, in short the endless list of required reading in one handly little package, all safe and sound with every wireless sync. And presumably backed up with the perfect warranty: corporate applecare - oh is it broken madam? Here, have a new one. No waiting, no fuss, just here you go, as you were.

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Re: Apple is a locked down NIGHTMARE

Unless the ipads are completely locked down it will be possible to download malware floating around in the app store. Plus lets not forget the story about schools in America which give students laptops then randomly took photos of them using the webcam.

A properly configured playbook would have all the same advantages. ipads are very poor value for money. This is probably to be cool and attract students or it's someone's pet project.

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Re: Apple is a locked down NIGHTMARE

Not to mention all the textbooks:

http://www.apple.com/education/ibooks-textbooks/

Which is obviously a big plus. Where's the same for Google huh?

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Re: Apple is a locked down NIGHTMARE

I don't speak Apple, but I presume by "applecare" you mean the insurance that people pay extra for, which is available for many devices. (What is it with Apple fans thinking that something is special just because it has a trademark? You're like the people who complain other devices don't have "Retina". Most people don't even talk in trademarks all the time.) And no actually, they don't always replace it, as I know from my own experience.

Meanwhile, repairing something that isn't working is your standard rights under standard warranty, guaranteed by law! No wonder Apple make so much profit, when you hand money over for things like this.

(And being locked down doesn't imply more secure. It just means Apple get to ban competing products or things like emulators, as well as make it so you can't program using it directly, and even have to buy a special Apple computer to do so.)

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Pretty good deal for Apple

University purchases IPads for students from Apple. -> students pay increased tuition for the equipment.

Students buy into iTunes environment -> not going to give up investment in music etc after graduation eh?

$profit$

Really nothing different than what Apple was doing in the 90's with schools, just with iPads now. Don't really agree with the mandatory part of it with the Uni, but that's how it goes sometimes.

That being said, we did it a little differently, my son started college last fall and we set him up with a car (to get there), a bike & bike car rack (for getting around once at school), an HP Win7 gaming-capable laptop (for real work too lol), and a Kindle 3 (some school books that are available, mostly for all the required reading - the kindle is light, battery lasts forever, and is better suited for extensive reading).

;)

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Re: Pretty good deal for Apple

Have you not seen the interactive textbooks for the iPad then?

There's not really any equivalent for any other tablet.

Cheapest way to get textbooks too apparently:

http://www.cultofmac.com/185222/why-your-ipad-is-almost-always-the-cheapest-way-to-get-your-textbooks-back-to-school/

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Perhaps the University decided to invest in a closed and locked down ios system after experimenting with a free open and wild email system from Microsoft?

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Most expensive to maintain? how did they come to that conclusion?

Surely Android is more expensive given it is a harder platform to lock down. Students would brick them and nothing costs more than an inoperable device.

Supporting iPads is cheaper too, there's only one interface to learn, there's only a few models out there.

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If the University *bought* the devices, then they would be able to choose which devices to buy (and hence support).

And ipads can be hacked too, and indeed have to be, for basic functionality, that Just Works OOTB on other platforms, hence there is a greater risk of that, if anything.

Not that I would agree with all this for an Android tablet either, it's just that it would make a pleasant surprise for it to not being Apple getting free money and marketing for a change.

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More

...ASSnonymous to do the perp walk, soon. Fools never learn, they just go to jail.

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I'm thinking of going to Uni to do a Masters in XXX

Uni 1's XXX course has a domestic and also overseas residential components, and costs many $$ more than Uni 2's XXX offering.

I personally can't see the value in these portions of the offering, so I will likely pursue option 2.

My point? Simple. I'm not going to hack Uni 1 in "protest" because I dont like their offering. They make it clear from the start where your fees are going, I am going to choose the offering which suits me. It really should not be that difficult. "Anonymous" or those who purport to be associated with them can GGF just because someone offers a product that gets them in a tiff (although I am happy for them to continue their crusades against kiddie porn and the like).

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basic functionality, that Just Works OOTB on other platforms

Yup. So all those iPad users with no technical knowhow whatsoever are hacking their iPads just to be able to use them?

Come on, pull the other one.

There's so much anti-ipad stuff in these comments that i seriously believe that none of the the posters have been anywhere near one for longer than a 10 minute play in PC World.

At the end of this month The BETT is on at the EXCEL. Apple will be there in the guise of its education suppliers.

Just sit and watch how Apple have developed classroom. lecture room, interactive workbook and data storage scenarios that answer nearly every point made above. Also the costs are much lower than presumed.

My other half is a teacher and child psychotherapist. She works in a number of schools and generally carries a laptop and a large amount of paper around with her in a wheelie-case.

Shortly after the start of the current school year she came home and the first thing she said (to my great suprise) was "I'm going to get an ipad." When asked why, she listed a whole load of issues that were getting her down using the laptop in the various schools, the IT infrastructure in the various school and lots of little niggles to do with working space, time, moving around and a few others I can't remember now.

Next morning she bought a base model ipad 3, installed Pages, Dropbox (and iPlayer and Skype). I haven't seen the laptop since. She does all her record keeping, note taking, report writing and email on the iPad. All her files are up in the cloud (suitably anonmysed as required by the BACP) and the iPad has never been physically connected to a computer at all. She has had no need for memory cards or any of the other 'add-ons' that are deemed to be so essential in order to do 'real work'.

The only time she uses her desktop Mac now is when writing letters.

There's someone with no technical knowhow at all who has not 'had to hack' her iPad to get any functionality at all. To use a rather hackneyed phrase now - it just worked.

Mushroom

Privacy nightmare

I imagine that the Uni would technically be the owners of said iPads. So how long until they start demanding that the students offer up all their relevant passwords (e-mail, dropbox, apple ID) as they will be expected to support the students and their fondleslabs with the software they need on it.

And then subsequently, how long until the Uni uses picture/video evidence recorded on said Pad showing students taking illegals substances to suspend/expel them?

Or, if you prefer, how long until a Uni tech person gets done for taking copies of someones naked pictures off their pad or for installing software that lets them remotely view the iPads video (installed only on female students tabs natch).

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Irony

Anyone else see the irony in someone hacking into a Microsoft product to complain that Apple products aren't very good?

Re: Irony

No.

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Why is it so bad?

It probably was a marketing decision to select ipads, as it is UWS is not often the first choice for university selection in Sydney so they were looking to get a minor advantage so they can increase their enrolment numbers. Ipads are certainly still popular and it is often the cost factor that has some (not all) people selecting other tablets so it was a prime choice.

They are very intuitive to use, I often see many non technical users easily start using ipads with no training. Even my mother, who is practically computer illiterate, uses one with no problems. Ipads are relatively easy to support, at worst you can wipe the thing if it plays up, although normally a restart (like with most tech devices) works to fix a large number of problems people encounter.

No doubt it was an expensive purchase to buy that many units, but given the number of ipads involved, the Uni would hopefully have negotiated the cost down to well below retail. They probably could have saved more if they went with another product but they went with a relatively well known brand which is quite common for people to do.

Given that UWS caters to a large number of students from a lower socioeconomic background, it would certainly help students to be able to purchase digital textbooks to keep costs down. It also provides them with a device that can be used for further online research (I assume the Uni provides a decent wireless network now) without having to wait on shared computers to become available (often a problem at the end of semesters during exam times). The lack of keyboards is certainly going to make using ipads to write major assignments less appealing, but at the same time, who would want to sit in a lecture where 50+ students are furiously clattering away on keyboards?

There are certainly many options to choose from when it comes to tablet or even laptop devices, each with their own strengths and weaknesses, and the Uni chose one. No doubt if another product was selected there would be fanbois for other products up in arms over the choice. In the end, the Uni is copping flak for giving something to students that they can use in their academic life. Those bastards...

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