Titsup Windows Phone 8 orders user to cram 'boot disc' in mobe
A Windows Phone 8-using wag claims he provoked his Microsoft handset into asking for an installation DISC - with a boot manager error message familiar to anyone who's wrestled with Windows NT. The offending boot screen At least it didn't do a blue screen of death The error is by no means standard and - we're told - only …
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Re: It's so retro, It'll be chic
Sorry, but I'm not sure where they put the ANY key on those phones.
Re: It's so retro, It'll be chic
Remind me again which One was the Any Key?
Re: It's so retro, It'll be chic
> Remind me again which One was the Any Key?
Duh! Its the on next to the Other Key ...
Hopefully someone will hack it so it displays a proper blue BSOD. Come on MS! Where is the gut wrenching, oh shit when I have not saved my work kind of BSOD?
I thought fake BSOD apps were 20% of the Windows Phone Store?
BSOD
I had a photograph of a Windows 98 BSOD as the screensaver image on an old Sony-Ericsson phone.
My girlfriend at the time really thought she'd crashed my phone!
installation disc?
ITYM boot from a crappy "recovery partition". I'm trying to fix a relative's laptop with hard drive problems, but if I end up having to reformat or replace the drive, we will have NO LEGITIMATE WAY to reinstall the OS that he paid for! MS should be legally required to supply whatever you need to reinstall paid-for software from scratch.
Re: installation disc?
So he did not make the "recovery discs" most laptops ask you to make? That is much safer than a recovery partition (in case the hard drive goes titsup). Machines with windows pre-installed often come with a product code on the underside of the machine. Could this be used to get a reinstallation disk from MS (not likely I guess, but perhaps worth a shot)?
Re: installation disc?
If the laptop runs Windows 7 you just need a windows disc and you can reinstall using the product key on the bottom of the computer. Microsoft removed the requirement to match up discs and product keys in Windows 7.
Re: installation disc?
The OEM Windows key is usually on the PC case. In my experience of secondhand laptops - the OEM MS Office keys are never(?) attached to the PC case. If you do a key retrieval in order to reinstall - then the value that is found is often a generic key for that supplier. Trying to use that key causes the installation to fail "piracy" checks.
Microsoft removed the requirement to match up discs and product keys in Windows 7
No, they removed that in Vista already. Any Vista DVD can be used to re-install with an OEM product key, and even cross upgrades (32bit to 64bit or vice versa) are allowed as the key does not resolve the word length.
Re: installation disc?
lol piracy checks how quaint. I always use the same code and it never fails haha.
Re: installation disc?
If you have a major brand machine that came with a Vista or 7 sticker it is quite easy to abuse the OEM activation process to get Ultimate at no extra cost, with no mods and no keys that aren't generic.
Re: installation disc?
If the laptop runs Windows 7 you just need a windows disc and you can reinstall using the product key on the bottom of the computer. Microsoft removed the requirement to match up discs and product keys in Windows 7.
That's encouraging, but where do I get a legitimate Windows 7 disc?
Re: installation disc?
Try this link :-)
You can download the ISOs from Digital River, you just need a legit key to be able to use them and they aren't limited to just Dell machines. If you Google it you can find out all sorts about reinstalling Windows with a manufacturer key and certificate, it's a great way of doing a clean install of Windows without all the extra stuff that the manufacturers install.
Rob
Re: installation disc?
Erm....
Some folks are not using a PC....using their 'phone to do all they need. What now?
Re: installation disc?
So he did not make the "recovery discs" most laptops ask you to make?
I'll ask. I'm hoping it doesn't get to that. Will those reinstall the complete OS on a clean hard drive?
Re: installation disc?
If your talking about the Recovery CDs I needed to recently needed to Recover my old Acer Travelmate 2000, cunningly labeled as "Recovery Disk 1 of 2" and "Recovery Disk 2 of 2" ... which fell over when it asked me to insert the "Next" Recovery CD after restoring 90% from Disks 1 and 2 ....
Lol.
Its not that he is messing, it is that the code is still from NT, shows windows can't code anything anymore without relying on bygone code that is, at it's core, now unstable in the world of hacking and viruses.
Then again tesco tills and cash points run on windows (I have seen the windows error reporting screens), that is more worrying than a phone OS I will never go near.
Re: bygone code that is, at it's core, now unstable
Of course, all the old instructions that computers used to use are now unstable. We have new instructions for new code that are much more robust.
If you were to take a modern os, hack around with an image of it and try and run it there is no way you could reproduce this sort of problem.
When oh when will we get an answer to the problem of code degrading over time?
Re: Lol.
Err... It shows nothing of the sort, it shows that the same Kernel is being used for all Windows devices.
In other news, there's still a "Is printer on fire?" error in UNIX.
Re: Lol.
Crap troll. When Linux is used people are building on a legacy. When NT is used it's "can't be bothered to write a new OS".
People who don't know the first thing about programming probably shouldn't weigh in on subjects they are embarrassingly ignorant of, especially when they are fans of a 25-year-old OS.
Re: bygone code that is, at it's core, now unstable
Of course, all the old instructions that computers used to use are now unstable. We have new instructions for new code that are much more robust.
and the datasheets for old microprocessors are not there so much as to tell you how the things worked, but to wedge under the dodgy leg on their opcode tables.
Re: Lol.
What part of 'complete rewrite' for Vista/7/8 did I not understand?
Re: Lol.
One code to rule them all. Will suggest some code cleaning, hard work as nobody knows what that old code does anymore.
Re: Lol.
The part where a complete re-write of code to perform the same specified operations can be totally new, but still appear from it's inputs and outputs to be the same, but faster or to have had bugs fixed.
Here is how it works: Senior guy specifies how the code is to work, junior guy codes it up. Other senior guys aren't happy with the code, so a different junior guy re-writes it from scratch, but it still carries out the same task. Yes, part of my job is specifying code for junior guys to write.
Re: Lol.Here is how it works...
You certaiinly don't work for Microsoft, then.
Re: Lol.
The part in which "complete rewrite" was an entirely made up pipe dream of people without much of a clue. Microsoft themselves have never made any such statement, in fact they've been very clear that all modern versions of Windows are built upon the foundations of NT.
Re: Lol.
"Then again tesco tills and cash points run on windows (I have seen the windows error reporting screens), that is more worrying than a phone OS I will never go near."
Heh, i managed to crash one of those back to the xp desktop, complete with windows error message. I kept jabbing the touchscreen until it froze playing a continual loop of the "please place item in the bagging area" sound at quite a volume. The assistant didnt see the funny side as she didnt know how to reboot it and had to put up with the sound for about 5 minutes until a tech arrived and sorted it out. She got really pissed off, probably not helped by me laughing.
I do wonder how secure these things are to tampering. Could a keylogger be installed by a corrupt employee to pinch cc details and pin numbers? I would like to think the payment side was isolated from the crashy insecure windows bit and i prey to god they are not internet connected in any shape or form.
Now we know why they called it "Windows 8" and had that colour scheme!
Seems utterly reasonable.....
This is classic Microsoft ingenuity and efficiency - sharing bootloader code is eminently sensible. What else would you expect from the company who produced the fearsome Windows 8? Freetards need not reply - go back to recompiling your kernel in a cave linux boy.
"A Windows Phone 8-using wag claims he"...
Wife and girlfriend = he?
Demonstrates that Windows NT code still lurks under the surface of Windows Phone 8
That's the whole POINT of W8 that it is built on a proper PC kernel for the first time, not a crippled CE/mobile OS like WP 7.5.
Re: Demonstrates that Windows NT code still lurks under the surface of Windows Phone 8
Exactly, which was the whole point of not being able to use any of the underlying CE APIs in WP7, as they were all going to get thrown out when WP was switched over to the NT based kernel. This isn't news.
Re: Demonstrates that Windows NT code still lurks under the surface of Windows Phone 8
That's the whole POINT of W8 that it is built on a crippled PC kernel for the first time, not a crippled CE/mobile OS like WP 7.5.
FTFY.
Don't care.
If I was buying a phone with my own money I'd probably go for a Lumia 920. Bored of iPhones and it's got a good camera and looks nice.
People really get too heated about all this. It's only a phone.
Lurking? Really? Is this news?
"graphically demonstrates that Windows NT code still lurks under the surface of Windows Phone 8"?! how is it lurking? Isnt the idea of WP8 vs Windows 8 to bring about some kind of code parity between the two platforms? You make it sound like some kind of conspiracy that with some mucking about with the firmware that this device can be made to "reveal" what we all already knew?! "Popping the bonnet of my 2007 Ford Focus ST revealed a Volvo engine lurking underneath"... its not a conspiracy!!
Re: Lurking? Really? Is this news?
You are hilariously reading too much into one word.
C.
Re: Lurking? Really? Is this news?
lurking present participle of lurk (Verb)
Verb
1) Be or remain hidden so as to wait in ambush for someone or something: "a killer lurked in the darkness".
2) (of an unpleasant quality) Be present in a latent or barely discernible state, although still presenting a threat.
The poster of this article chose the word, not me. Sorry for actually knowing what it means without requiring a definition. The story is interesting and amusing but ultimately worded in such a way that the people who've hacked their phones into displaying this error message have uncovered something microsoft would rather have kept secret. This kind of laziness can lead to all sorts of histrionic over-reactions if enough people jump on the bandwagon.
Re: Re: Lurking? Really? Is this news?
"Be or remain hidden so as to wait in ambush for someone or something"
Yes, I guess an operating system kernel that is out of sight and only visibly strikes when something's gone wrong isn't lurking at all.
C.
Re: Lurking? Really? Is this news?
So in your expert opinion the kernel of an operating system only does something when something goes wrong? Do you actually know what a kernel is or have you some strange delusion about a world war 2 battle field with a call for charge happening squared at hapless users?
So they didnt remove some text from functionality that while essential to the OS is never going to be seen by the end user in a real life scenario that doesnt involve modifiying the device in some way. Demonstrate to me that this can commonly occur on joe bloggs phone and you have a story worthy of the kind of ridiculous uneducated responses that this story is already generating.
Re: Re: Lurking? Really? Is this news?
"Do you actually know what a kernel is"
Yeah, I wrote one.
"Demonstrate to me that this can commonly occur on joe bloggs phone"
That's not the point of the story as plainly pointed out.
C.
graphically demonstrates that Windows NT code still lurks under the surface of Windows Phone 8.
This is a surprise? I thought that was the point of modern WP?
That is no NT error message
This is not a WindowsNT specific error message, it comes up on Windows 2000, XP and Vista (haven't tried W7 and W8) as well if the startup fixer assistant can't be launched.
The other clues that this is not a relict from WindowsNT 4.0 should be the path of the missing files (which is 'Windows', not 'Winnt' as it was the default under NT) and the fact that it refers to an EFI boot loader (which doesn't exist for WindowsNT).
Re: That is no NT error message
Win 2000, XP, 2003, 2008, 7 and 8, WP7 and WinRT are all Windows NT.
The specification of the path only goes to show that %systemroot% has been set to "\windows\" rather than "c:\winnt"
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