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Think Windows 8 isn't performing as well as Microsoft expected? Think again! The software giant says sales of its new OS are chugging along quite nicely, thank you very much, in much the same fashion as Windows 7 before it. Speaking at the J.P. Morgan Tech Forum at CES 2013 on Tuesday, Tami Reller, one of the two newly minted …

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"At that rate, it will take Microsoft nearly 67 years to match the 40 billion apps"

That paragraph almost, but not quite, gives the impression that MS should be within handshake distance of matching Apple's download figures already. As a matter of interest how quickly do you think that MS should be able to catch up? Just so that we can see what your bench-mark of "success" would be.

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Re: "At that rate, it will take Microsoft nearly 67 years to match the 40 billion apps"

That 67 years quote smacks of desperation of the author to find any way to pander to the "windows is doomed, doomed I tell you" bunch. When the next point is added to the curve will we hear the number of app downloads within five years will exceed the number of protons in the universe or some such twaddle.

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Re: "At that rate, it will take Microsoft nearly 67 years to match the 40 billion apps"

It's not a like for like match anyway.

Given that it's a comparison with a newly released store which has limited devices attached (one desktop, 2 phones and some tablets), against a 6 year old store, that has had 6 iterations of the OS (I think, iOS is v6 now IIRC); 6 iterations of phones (which no doubt some of those users will have upgraded and downloaded the same app on their new device); numerous variations of iPod; 4 iPads - and do Macs use the Store now too? IDK.

The only real comparison will be a few years down the line, when some meaningful statistics can be garnered - and where are the stats for the Play store on Android? Surely they are of relevance in all this as well.

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@EvilGav 1 RE:"It's not a like for like match anyway." No it is not, however I see that a ........

...............seriously sad person downvoted you for pointing out that which was clearly the case. Some saddos clearly do not like tackling facts. Upvote delivered in an attempt to even up the behaviour of the knobheads.

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Oh for heaven's sake. I'm thoroughly sick and tired of this constant refusal to accept the blindingly obvious.

As I pretty much stated before Windows 8 launched, it will sell "in the millions".

Wait! What's this? It HAS sold in the millions! Colour me 'effing surprised. The media, nay, the vast majority of the MS bashers on here just don't want to accept it do they? They're happy in their Google-y world where everyone uses open source and Microsoft are about to go bankrupt. Reality check - Google may have the mobile and search space, but they've a long, LONG way to go before they are a credible threat to Microsoft's dominance on the desktop, and a lot of people out there need to accept that and get on with it.

Are there 60 million people out there actively using Windows 8? Probably not (though the figure won't be far behind that). Does Microsoft care? Of course not! They've made a sale - 60 million of them, and they will continue to make sales in their millions for the rest of this year and beyond! It's a cold hard fact that seem to have escaped the anti-MS brigade out there. Windows 8 is a SUCCESS - it's a success now, it will be a further success in the future; it is inescapable and inevitable.

There's nothing more that needs to be said.

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The problem for Windows releases

I am by no means a Microsoft shill, if there was a Linux desktop that met me needs I would be using it.

In the past I begrudgingly ran Windows 7, far too many applications I need are dependant on Windows and the firm I work for is a Windows shop, back to front.

Windows 8 was one of the first Windows releases I was keen on.

First of all it is far more secure than any other consumer operating system today. To get equivelant protection on a Linux desktop you would need to be running grsec or something similar. I know this is hard to stomach for the Linux community, but MS have really lifted their game when it comes to security.

Second, on a non-touch device, the metro ui is not as much of a hassle as journalists would have you believe. On a touch device, it is beautiful and elegant. From a desktop perspective, its just a full screen start menu. If you want your regularly used applications to be accessabel immediately from the legacy UI, you just pin them to the task bar. Journalists have a knack for taking something so small and turning it into a world ending revelation.

Which brings me to my point, I think the biggest problem faced by Microsoft (or any large vendor really), is that we now have a new class of technical journalist. These are people who do not have a background in programming or system administsration. They are pure journalists writing for the masses.

To a journalist which will get more reads?:

1 - A fantatsic release form Microsoft, bringing together two different UI pradigms into one cohesive operating system

2 - A dismal release, grandma's, grandpa's and students alike, baffled by vomit interface spawned by satan himself

Thats what it comes down to, these career journo's are not interested in the art or science of computing. They will do whatever turns them a dollar. And what turns them a dollar is page views and clicks.

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Re: The problem for Windows releases

So you're not bothered by the lack of POP3 support in the mail client? Or other 'improvements'?

MS has always been a temple of mediocrity. Win 8 carries on that proud tradition.

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Re: The problem for Windows releases

"So you're not bothered by the lack of POP3 support in the mail client"

No and it's not like you can't download another mail client is it?

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Re: The problem for Windows releases

POP3, wtf? use IMAP and be normal man!

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Re: not bothered by the lack of POP3 support in the mail client

"The" mail client? It's Windows - you have plenty of Mail clients to choose from!

Windows 7 didn't have any Mail client at all - you had to download one!

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Keep the shareholders happy with some spin.

The reality is,

PC is on the decline, Windows 8 is not selling well, and has poor reception from home and business customers, Windows Phone is an even bigger disaster zone than it was last year (and even Nokia now have a plan B), Windows RT is dead, Surface is not selling, Xbox has been end of life for 3 years and most gamers are hacked of with Microsoft's double dip pricing and will be going elsewhere next gen. Office is losing home users hand over fist to the free suites, and businesses aren't upgrading either.

Not looking too rosy at Microsoft...

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Re: Keep the shareholders happy with some spin.

Just writing down things you want to be true, doesn't make them true.

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Hmmm. Propoganda figures me thinks.

5 of those are my ruddy machine having to be reformatted and reregistered because it is a steaming pile of dog turd.

Reasons for hating it were not limited to ill thought out partition manager that made my HDD and MBR and thus the 3tb became 2tb and 890GB of lost data area. Despite being told to use my SSD and not the HDD. When will they just nick the partition manager from linux, that works. 90% of the market and they can't write a decent parition manager.

The whole UI is just pants, to open control panel you search in the metro and it opens in the taskbar version, the new icons only stretch to the basic apps, they don't cover the admin apps, when you turn them on they look god awful.

A 24inch monitor and no touch screen means a lot more mouse dragging to get to any of the corners (I don't do shortcuts as I didn't know they existed as the windows tutorial just says use the corners and I shouldn't have to use google to use a UI)

BSOD in the first 3 hours because it didn't like me copying files from a server etc. I am glad the reg hack likes it but for me, well 3 days and MS answers telling me the fix for my licence being unusable because a reformat isn't an upgrade, but to fix it I have to rebuy a copy of windows 7. I decided to stick with windows 7.

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Re: Hmmm. Propoganda figures me thinks.

I've seen all these symptoms before.

They happened when somebody tried a cheap Win8 upgrade over a pirated copy of Win7.

Oh dear. Playing tricksy games, were we?

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Your analysis labours the point about Windows 8 shipments to the channel. But that would have been true for Windows 7. So Microsoft appear to be comparing like with like and that's a good thing. If Windows 7 shipments were considered good and those of Windows 8 are the same what, really, is your point?

I'm staggered that there are as many as 100 million downloads from the Microsoft store and your cynicism here is a non-sequiter. If you are an Apple user you have no choice but to use the AppStore. If you are a Windows user, why would you use the Microsoft store at all? Windows 8 is Windows and any app you used to use will work perfectly well - admittedly not as a live tile. I assume the majority of those 100 million must, in fact, be by users of full Windows 8 not RT or Phone. Unless Microsoft are being very quiet about sales there can't be enough users to reach even 100 million.

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Are you trying to say that OSX DESKTOP users are forced to use the "app store"? This is either colossal ignorance or simple disinformation. I never use Apples OSX app store.

If not why are you comparing Windows desktop to iOS mobile?

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Multitouch effect

Despite the 2011 announcement of Windows 8 and information available to OEMs around 2 years ago, it seems manufacturing has been caught on the hop with a shortage of multitouch parts. We already see this in the shops as most of the PCs on sale remain Windows 7 class hardware which must be affecting sales (I'm personally in the wait for new models mode so long as my existing kit holds out).

Shortages are expected to continue through 2013, keeping higher prices of Ultrabook (which is now mandating multitouch for new systems) and budget systems lacking the new functionality. This situation will get worse if Apple backtrack on their previous statements on MacBook and touch with their Q3 Haswell refreshes. So very early days to gauge consumer interest in the new devices and form factors for Windows 8 irrespective of sales levels.

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Well deuh!

The one and ONLY reason why Window 8 is selling "as well as" Windows 7 is ... you can't buy a computer without it!

I would be willing to bet anything that if the still gave consumers a choice... Windows 7 would outsell Window8 3 to 1...

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60 million copies, but at what price?

This article fails to point out that Windows 8 can be purchased for as little as £29 whereas Windows 7 was significantly more. The revenues generated for MS on Windows 8 sales are likely to be considerably down on Windows 7 sales. Microsoft will no doubt be hoping to claw back this revenue from the commissions gained from its app store and in-line advertising. I can see MS blocking (or making it very difficult) to install third party applications not purchased through the app store.

IMO this release of Windows is a very self-serving, syndical, anti competitive move by Microsoft. They are looking to lock in users and lock out competitors. But hey, at least the performance monitor looks good!

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Re: 60 million copies, but at what price?

Well, it's actually £25 for Win 8 from MS, but I digress.

Windows 7 had a similar introductory price for the first 2 or 3 months after it was launched - around £39 IIRC or around half the price it would be once the offer ended.

There was also a deal to get Win 8 for a mere £15, if you had recently bought a Win 7 machine you could use the serial code to get an additional £10 off (given how much the channel has declined in the last couple of years, it isn't entirely surprising that this hasn't bolstered sales significantly).

If any company was in a position where 5-10% (60 million of 670 million) of their customers had switched to the latest, paid for, version within 3 months of release - i'm pretty sure they'd be delighted.

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Doubt it includes volume licensing with software assurance

Else everyone who had SA for Windows 7 - which (a) you need for Enterprise Edition, which you need to get BitLocker and (b) is mandatory if you want an Enterprise Agreement or an Enterprise Subscription Agreement - will have been counted as having bought a Windows 8 license.

That would be an awful lot more than 60 million VL Windows 8 licenses.

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Running since launch on main desktop, no major probs

Been running on my main desktop, basic Fujitsu with Windows 7 32-bit pro, upgraded without issue since release date. Revise a few windows shortcut keys, setup a free Hotmail account and away you go.

I do not see the big issue, plus a friend of mine who bought a new laptop with Windows 8 (in his fifties that is not a techno head) adapted to the OS quiet well and was impressed with the way the Hotmail account linked to his Lumia 610 (basic phone I know) brought in all his contacts, calendar and mail all by supplying logon credentials, no need to search for POP3 settings and the like, with the whole ecosystem joined up, it works really well.

Ok metro can be annoying sometimes, however with a large monitor it gives a lovely browsing, app store experience.

Add in the low upgrade price, plus the speed of Windows 8 and it almost never crashes; this is no Vista OS its just their is a good few tech industry individuals with a Microsoft grudge.

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"Here at El Reg, we suspect that Microsoft's 60 million number also includes many licenses that have been sold to enterprise customers through Redmond's Volume Licensing program."

Enterprise customers can also use a Windows 8 license to run say Windows 7. The license allows for that. SO an enterprise that needed more Windows 7 installs wouldn't buy licenses for Windows 7 but for Windows 8. Does Microsoft even still sell Windows 7 licenses?

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