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Everyone's been waiting for a game-changing Apple TV product to come riding over the hill, but it could be Microsoft that captures the internet TV market first. In the Xbox, Microsoft already has a popular internet box that people plug into the sitting room TV. Now Microsoft is ramping up the TV and video content available on …

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Re: Well I Like It :D

At the moment I have a Radeon 5750 and some variant of AMD quad core phenom II. I'm pretty sure I can upgrade the GPU significantly before I hit the motherboard limit. I'm really not interested in spending £1500 on three high-end graphics cards in an SLI set-up, so I can get at least one fairly beefy upgrade out of this machine for not much of an outlay. £100-ish will buy me a GPU that, to use a time-honoured phrase, pisses on just about any current games console from a positively stratospheric height.

To be honest though, the current set-up gives the PS3 a good enough kicking as-is. Helps that I can turn the largely useless FSAA off too.

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Heavy user of video on Live here

I use my Live Gold account far more for video/music than I do for gaming - the LoveFilm, 4oD and VIVO apps in particular. I've got a PS3 and when I've used 4oD or iPlayer on there it's been rubbish to be honest - it seems to be that they just use a lightly modified version of the web page which feels very clunky. My BD player (Sony) has Lovefilm and it's not a patch on the XBOX version - it's far,far harder to navigate. I don't have it any more but when I had a SkyPlayer subscription

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Hit submit too early!

I was going to say that when I had skyplayer it worked very well on the XBOX - it was so slick it was easy to forget you were watching through a console at all :)

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Its taken this long for MS to look at XBMC?!

I modded an original Xbox not to play games but to run XBMC. When the 360 came out and it wasn't as easy to do this (and Windows Media Centre is so poor and the 360 is so Damn NOISY!) I carried on using the old Xbox until I bought an Acer Revo and installed XBMC on top of W7- and haven't looked back, its a great solution for streaming TV and media.

I don't understand why anyone would want to use a noisy, clunky, unreliable console and pay for the privilege of accessing other subscription services. Acer Revo + XBMC wins!

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It means that the Xbox does pretty much everything an Apple TV can do,.

As can any other console. Or a Roku, which had the lions share of the internet TV streamer market last time I checked. Or internet TV streamers made by RCA, Sony, or any of a dozen other companies. Or, if you really want to get fancy, one of those nifty Android TV boxes that have access to the entire library of Android apps.

Apple TV is really not the device you should be using as your measuring stick for internet TV devices.

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Paid online subscription

Would this be the same Xbox Live membership where they keep charging your card, even though the card expired 3 months ago, and you cancelled the membership 6 months ago?

My credit card company got snotty until I mentioned they let MSFT charge a card that was over 3 months expired, and what might the banking regulators think, and they quickly backed down.

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Re: Paid online subscription

I suspect the "banking regulators" won't say much if you gave the authorisation for a recurring subscription (which you did). Given that a CCA outlives the physical card and expiry dates are irrelevant to this, they'll not care.

I believe the rules on this have/are about to change, but the existing agreement would have allowed this.

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I could buy an XBox to watch movies, or

I could buy one of these for $67, and download HD movies from the Android Playstore:

http://goo.gl/LLkjA

Specs:

* Rockchip 3066 Android 4.1 1.6GHz Cortex-A9

* Quad Core GPU

* 3D Graphical processor

* 1GB DDR3 4GB/8GB ROM high capacity memory.

* WIFI 802.1b/g/n Wireless

* Support the latest HTML5,Flash11,etc.network standard.

* More than 600,000 Google Play apps and games

* Extension ports support 2.4GHz wireless mouse, wireless keyboard with touchpad etc

* micro-SD slot

* storage memory up to 32GB

Better specs, less money.

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Just wait for the VALVe Steam Box

Nuff said.

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A £40 per year Xbox live membership is miles better value than £11 for sky multiroom. My stepson still plays all the games he used to and for the same amount of time, but now he also watchers an hour or so of Sky which over a week easily clocks up more hours than gaming. No other subscription required as we already have Sky and Sky Go is free. Even better is that his dad has the sky sports package, so he can switch accounts when a football match is on he wants to watch (which seems to be every match) and I get to watch the rugby :-)

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Jailbroken apple tv2 is the best device out there right now. I have a piss3, obnox360 to compare to. No contest it wipes the floor with them. Just need firecore and xmbc or plex or what u like. millions of channels, some pirate for free.

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Jailbroken apple tv2 is the best device out there right now.

If you're going to go that route just get a Roku and be done with it. Why the heck would you pay twice as much for an Apple TV and then have to jailbreak it to get the same functionality?

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Microsoft has been trying to do TV for almost 20 years

Remember when they bought WebTV back in the mid 90s? They did media editions of Windows even back in the XP days, have done two versions of XBox, partnered with cable companies to put some of their software into set top cable boxes and where has it got them? Yes, people are using their XBox as a set top box. Something PS3 owners have been doing since day one thanks to taking the risk of being forward thinking and including a Blu Ray drive built in, so it's not exactly earth shattering.

This is like the situation with tablets, which they had been messing around with for a similarly long time (remember Windows for Pen Computing back in the 3.x days?) They never got any traction, then Apple showed them how to do it, and Google and their OEM partners showed them how to do it cheap. They're left looking like fools trying to play catch up.

Nobody knows what Apple is cooking up, and there are no guarantees it will be successful, but if it is, Microsoft will again be left looking stupid as they do an about face and follow Apple, but once again being 2-3 years too late will mean that Apple and Google own the market, and Microsoft is left fighting for scraps.

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Internet TV is hard

If you have a $console plugged into your TV, why not plug the RF signal in and process it there?

Its fine for free-to-air - you could host a cleaned up EPG in the cloud - which would be worth paying for in Australia at least.

The problem is that it all becomes difficult when you get cable and satellite involved. Those companies are rather protective of their STB's because they (over) charge for additional features.

I suspect that xbox's success is due to the fact that it is also useful for games. Setting up a video distribution network sounds complicated and ATV is expensive just so you can sit in a different room, but having a second xbox for multiplayer games, that sounds sensible and you can probably get one cheap second-hand.

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Gold is good. Price of a good coffee once a month. More apps and choice - nice

Works well for us in our house. Xbox's in the lads bedrooms, 1 in the lounge with Kinect. Gold family pass. £1.4 per person on gold. I couldn't have afforded that with steam and 3 pc's to buy and maintain. Sure, AV/updates/software install isn't rocket science, but I can forget that on xbox.

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Australia

In other words, still nothing much available on Xbox in Aus. Same as PS3 in Aus.

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It seems odd that many here quibble.....

.....about paying a subscription for Gold, which to me as an Xbox owner (Forza for me, Lego games for the boy) is worth it to know there is a dedicated set of servers offering a faster and more stable experience than the free version of a competitor. While the worst thing for an Xbox user is the RROD, the PS3 has the 'We didn't think you would want it reading BD disks after 6 months so fork out £120 to sort it' and the inevitable 'Your brand new game needs an update, at our download speeds you won't be playing today'

Based on the majority of posts I take it most of you use TalkTalk 8MB cack broadband or similar? Never used an ISP offering ADSL2 or fibre connections? You know, paying a premium for something that the cheap service does as well?

The catch up apps on Xbox are generally a lot easier to use than their web equivalents and have time spent on reworking them for the device they live on instead of half-assed web pages. iPlayer on xbox trounces the PC version.

And for comparison with the PS3, MS have added services for free since launch whereas Sony releases good devices and removes services over its lifetime (Original PSP, fantastic when launched, neutered with every update and of course PS3 other OS)

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how about you don't advertise for crapple in a single article? there was no need to mention the fuckers here.

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I pay £39.99 for XBOX gold, and £35 for PS+. Guess that makes me a fool. Although personally I like to have all features available, I use Live when gaming so to me there is no extra cost when watching something on Crackle. Other than an app that works better for me than the Android equivalent.

I appreciate you get a bit more with Sony PS+, like some free games for PS3 and my Vita. But there are so many freetards that the PS+ setup isn't as good as it could be if say they had the same setup in place as Microsoft with a large loyal buy in.

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