Who's using 'password' as a password? TOO MANY OF YOU
A study to find the top 25 leaked passwords of 2012 has revealed too many people are still using "password", "123456" and "12345678" for their login credentials. The table was compiled from plain-text passwords and weak unsalted password hashes lifted from compromised databases and dumped online by Anonymous hacktivists and …
Re: WTF?!!!
Look at the user name on those two posts... I think he LARTed himself.
Conflicting Reports
I was once the victim of a hacked PC, and someone made off with all my passwords (yes, I'd been lazily storing them in the browser, reusing them etc.) and so I created a little tool to generate strong password from more memorable phrases. I published this tool as a web site for anyone to use and according to Google Analytics I've seen a 20% rise in use over the last couple of months.
http://www.deadboltpasswordgenerator.com/
But then I guess a rise from eight to ten visitors per day may not be that significant ...
http://xkcd.com/936/
So the ultimate password is obviously :
welcomeletmeinkeepoutjesusninjatrustno1password1qwerty123456mustang
Ashley & Michael
presumably these are names of people's kids or SO's?
surprising that so many people have a kid or other half names Ashley that the name outranks Jesus
Re: Ashley & Michael
Really? I've met a few people called Ashley but none called Jesus. Maybe it depends on where in the world you are.
¡Hola!
No doubt, you are correct. It depends on where in the world you are.
If something has to be secure, I favour random hexadecimal characters, if there are enough of them - although of course that could still give you "12345678".
Re: Ashley & Michael
As a book of Christmas cartoons I had some years ago put it, "Jesus? Why would you want to give him a Puerto Rican name?"
Re: ¡Hola!
Random hex is fine, as long as you remember it effectively shortens your password by at least 2 bits per char.
Re: Ashley & Michael
> "Jesus? Why would you want to give him a Puerto Rican name?"
So nobody would know he was Jewish?
Okay, I'll cop to it.
Yeah I've used at least one of those passwords on a throwaway site where I don't actually care all that much about whether or not someone hacks it.
Sites that I care about get different levels of attention depending on the level of caring.
Sites I sorta care about but need easily remembered passwords get passwords with root pieces and salt.
Sites that I really care about because they have financials get randomly generated passcodes. What really sucks is that sometimes when I use randomly generated passwords with full complexity, they still don't meet site rules for password generation. Which means the sites are actually less secure than the password I generated for it.
Sites that refuse random passwords
You give as your password 200 base64 characters representing 1200 bits taken from a hardware random number generator and the nincompoop site tells you: this password is not "strong" enough because it contains more than two occurrences of the character 'w'. Somebody please stab the programmer in the face.
This is victim blaming!
Instead of telling people to not using dumb passwords, like "password". You should tell crackers not to crack.
Re: This is victim blaming!
Yeah, and instead of telling people to lock their doors, you should tell people not to enter other people's houses and take their stuff!
Re: This is victim blaming!
...and tell thieves not to steal, and rapists not to rape, and killers not to kill. Unfortunately, the real world has a propensity to ignore the proprieties. So people should still be prepared to defend themselves, be educated about the dangers of weak passwords, and the consequences of the potential identity theft that can result. That's not victim blaming, it's victim empowerment. Because identity theft is catastrophic and life-changing.
I've spoken with someone it's happened to, and having your identity stolen destroys your life. This person lost his job, faced charges including extortion, money laundering, attempting to import illegal weapons among others, which took him years to be acquitted of; he had to sell his house to pay the court and lawyer costs, and had to move cities because of the offences he'd been charged with. All because someone cracked an account and stole his credit card details and contact info.
It happens. So it's important that people be aware of the issues and take reasonable steps to protect themselves. It's just common sense.
Re: This is victim blaming!
Er . . . we DO tell people not to enter other people's houses and take their stuff, don't we? Or did I misunderstand what "laws" are?
:-D
Re: This is victim blaming!
"Er . . . we DO tell people not to enter other people's houses and take their stuff, don't we?"
That's my point. Even though people are told not to do something, doesn't mean nobody will. So we lock our doors.
Just as we tell people not to hack into another person's accounts, but we should still use strong passwords.
Re: This is victim blaming!
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I have absolutely no idea if you are doing this on purpose
1....2....3....4....5
That's the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JNGI1dI-e8
Re: 1....2....3....4....5
That's incredible, I've got the same combination on my luggage.
Kudos.
Interestingly, I've had the same password with slight variations on a theme for 14 years now. Nothing has been hacked as a result of that password.
I'm trendy!!!!
Wait 'till I tell the missus!
New entry at no. 25... just about all my trivial passwords (including, until moments ago, El Reg) are "password1". I wonder what proportion of the occurrences which brought it into the chart are the half a billion of so places I've used it. Nice to be "ahead of the curve" for a change :D
Must say, the desperate cry of exasperation behind No. 21 certainly struck a chord. Or were "Christian Mingle" and Conservapedia among the hacked sites contributing data?
Monkey?
Why on earth is monkey so popular? Are they reshowing the old TV series or something?
Re: Monkey?
An infinite number of them hitting keyboards at random will be able, eventually, to crack any password.
Re: Monkey?
>Why on earth is monkey so popular? Are they reshowing the old TV series or something?
Possibly Damon Albarn's stage adaptation is responsible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey:_Journey_to_the_West
Doubting the accuracy of this list
I have three reasons for doubting the accuracy of this list:
1. I don't believe "shadow" is really a popular password. I rather suspect this is a dummy value meaning that the password is not, in fact, stored.
2. There are too few obscenities in the list. I don't think I'm alone in using obvious sexual obscenities when I am forced to create an account and have no interest in its security.
3. There are too few changes in the list. They claim that the top six are unchanged (as a set) since last year. If the new list were really derived from new data I'd expect to see a lot more random variation even if the underlying popularity of the passwords were unchanged.
The golden rule of passwords is to assume that they can be seen by anybody ...
until we have an ISO approved standard for database and system design for holding and authenticating user details.
Personally, I can't big up LastPass enough (not just because it's free). It's password generator means a unique complex password for every site I use. The only way it could be improved (and for all I know this feature exists in the paid for version) would be to expire passwords every <x> days and nudge you to change it on the relevant site.
Re: The golden rule of passwords is to assume that they can be seen by anybody ...
"Personally, I can't big up LastPass enough (not just because it's free)."
The problem I have with LastPass is the catastrophic single point of failure. I'm sure they work hard to avoid that (it is after all their entire business), but it still feels kind of uncomfortable.
Re: The golden rule of passwords is to assume that they can be seen by anybody ...
Not sure what you mean ...
Password vault can be stored locally and backed up. I've been able to use LP even when the website has been down (or uncontactable).
Re: The golden rule of passwords is to assume that they can be seen by anybody ...
But all secure site like theregister asterisk out your passwords if you type them out in posts:
********
See?
Re: The golden rule of passwords is to assume that they can be seen by anybody ...
> But all secure site like theregister asterisk out your passwords if you type them out in posts:
> walkers1
> See?
I guess that only works on Internet Explorer.
Re: The golden rule of passwords is to assume that they can be seen by anybody ...
@JimmyPage - I think what he is getting at is that if your single LastPass vault password is cracked, then the attacker has access to ALL your passwords in one hit. I do use LastPass myself, with a suitably secure password, but it is a good idea to be aware of this one particular weakness.
Re: The golden rule of passwords is to assume that they can be seen by anybody ...
Ah, fair point, but having read their spec, it's as secure as it could be given life itself.
As I said, the vault is only one element of password security. Regular changing of passwords is essential too.
To be honest, there are several trivial things that could be done to greatly improve online security. My suggestion would simply be an SMS and/or email every time your credit/debit card is used, or a payment goes from your account. I'd guess that would cut fraud by 90% ? But then the banks would be liable for more than they are now, so that's never happen.
Is it Verified by Visa?
That has a very specific 8-12 characters for the password.
Every single time I am forced to re-generate a password because I can't remember the last one and therefore have to enter all my identifying information in all over again. I'm assuming other people write them down and keep them with the credit card.
Way to increase security.
Re-generating a password
When I am forced to re-generate a password because I forgot my old one, the web site invariably tells me that I cannot use this password, because it is the same as the old one.
The IT crowd
I'm currenlty dealing with an outsourced IT service group.
The password policy is age (max 35 days), complexity (chars & numbers but no specials), length (min 8 max 12), history (not one of the previous 24). However, they don't operate a single sign on, so there are multiple domains and systems, each using different account name, details and passwords.
Because of this, they get a very large number of support requests for unlocking accounts / resetting passwords. They have a user accessible password reset tool; but it only works part of the time due to network issues. They also insist that if they have to unlock an account, they also have to reset the password every time.
All of this causes them a bit of hassle; whenever they have to unlock an account or reset a password, they always change it to abcd1234. Then they stop you from changing your password for 24 hours.
Re: The IT crowd
Wow. That's an impressive mix of really good security and really horrible security. Very schizophrenic.
Re: The IT crowd
This sounds like it was specified by one person over a period of time
"damnit, we aren't complying with the thign that s called OWASP, whatever that thing is"
"damnit, users are complaining that they can't reset their passwords"
"damnit, why are password resets taking so long"
etc
Maybe we should use passwords that sound like mildly embarrassing admissions. If my password was "Iamsobloodylonely" (for example) I would hesitate before writing it down or reusing it on multiple logins.
Where's the 'Lightbulb' icon?
True... not sure how many guys would have a post-it stuck on their monitor with 'IHaveASmallPenis' scrawled on it.
> If my password was "Iamsobloodylonely" (for example) I would hesitate before writing it down or reusing it on multiple logins.
I dunno, I'm rather found of the Louis Prima* version ("Just a Gigolo"):
"iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii'm so sad and lone--------------ly!"
*King Louie from Disney's The Jungle Book.
I'd lose track typing it in - I mean, was that 49 or 50 'i's? 14 or 15 '-'s?
On some of the old terminals...
can't recall exactly which now, I think they were SunSPARCs or SGIs... our sysadmin insisted that people use, in their passwords, one of the additional function keys which were ranged down the left of the keyboard. It made it impossible to log in casually from anywhere other than in the computer room which housed the workstations themselves!
Re: On some of the old terminals...
As long as it wasn't Stop+A.
Password generartion is quite interesting.
You want flexibility in it to cope with all the stupid options people insist your password complies with. (case important/irrelevant numbers allowed/not allowed repeated digits etc).
I think people would like to be able to pronounce it in their home language as well. I think this is probably the toughest problem, especially if you want to avoid real words in that language.
Some kind of soundex algorithm in reverse?
But seriously WTF with "password" after decades of warnings? sure for disposables but not long term.
My personal suggestion is (any) obscenity and the words "thieving" "lying" "cheating""parasites" mixed up with any random digits are quite good choices for any utility, credit card or telephone accounts
Re: WTF with "password" after decades of warnings?
If you are only 10 years old, you probably haven't had *any* warnings. Certainly not from anyone you can be bothered to listen to. A lot of social networking websites probably have a disproportionately large number of users who see "password protection" as the thing that stops them from getting onto the site to post selfies to their friends.
The difference is what was secured by these passwords.
A personal email account you get receipts etc. emailed to? Yes, that's an error to choose a weak password.
A throwaway Yahoo account because you were forced to sign up to it by product X? Who cares?
An eHarmony account that you really don't care about people hacking and only set up for a laugh? Again, who cares?
Anyone with a brain has a set of different passwords for various things. My father's Windows Login password (which, incidentally, is totally unnecessary as it does nothing and the admin account is open if you know the double-Ctrl-Alt-Delete trick or use Safe Mode or whatever) is such a password. But his banking one is secure. His password to the account on the website he signed up to one to buy a bit from his car (but stores no credit card details)? That's different again and though not "secure" is probably not guessable even if you know him. His password for the christmas giftlist document that I share with him? Incredibly insecure but stops him clicking on it and accidentally showing mum what he got for Christmas. This is a man that has trouble turning a computer on and takes an hour to install a simple program because he reads every line of text on the screen (not the license agreements, all the surrounding "Click next to proceed with installation" etc. gumpfh) and can't see what he's supposed to press next.
The security of passwords is general is (like all statistics) meaningless without context. I have and use a number of insecure passwords for things I don't care about and don't WANT to use my secure passwords on (because if they are compromised, then they might be able to do some damage elsewhere). And my secure passwords (of which I have many levels but sometimes re-use things for passwords of the same "level"), are all unguessable. I have a very good memory for passwords, but I'm not going to make unique ones for everything I do because I will spend my LIFE logging on, and will end up having to put them all in one place which is inherently less secure than re-using passwords for similar levels of access (i.e. if you compromise, say, my forum account, yes you could probably use it on some other forums I frequent, but none of them will give you more access to information than the account password originally compromised, or any other forum account I use).
As an extreme example, the password for my banking is some incredibly secure thing and used only for banking purposes in combination with a OTK device. I have a password that I only use for Government Gateway services even though I haven't really used those in years now. I have a password for anything that involves financial matters no related to my bank (e.g. pre-paid credit cards, etc.). The password for any site that stores my credit card information is different but on the same level of security and sometimes shared between partner sites. Additionally, I have a one-off sign-up password for sites I've never used before but which want my credit card information stored. I can cancel a rogue card transaction from them and know who it was, but I can't suffer a password leak that might affect other sites I visit if they are clever and try to reuse / guess my details elsewhere to gain more access.
I have a password for accounts of value even if they have no credit card information associated (e.g. Steam). I have a password for anything that stores personal information on me but which doesn't store payment information or isn't payment related. I have a password for sites that I need to log into but which I wouldn't care about someone accessing as me (e.g. forums, etc.), and I have a password that I use to get past anything that demands one for no real reason.
Each password (and sometimes there are three-four passwords for each level depending on the security of the level) is different and all but the very lowest levels are secure passwords. I can also tell, by the very service that the website is trying to offer me, what the password for a site I hardly visit but have an account for is likely to be (and unlikely to take more than a couple of guesses and thus unlikely to be "locked out"), and even a compromise of one site's password that's advertised with full details all over the world will ever let you into an account with more "power" or containing more information than the compromised site. And I have to remember only 10 passwords, which is way within the realm of sanity, and because they can be remembered, I never have to write them down.
And my Yahoo password for an old Geocities account I had years ago which was forcibly upgraded to Yahoo? That's probably not that important to me because all it lets you do is log into Yahoo Search as me (and I haven't used Yahoo search since the Geocities days!). Dating sites? They would end up in the last category (i.e. I have to have a password, but don't particularly care about what it is). LinkedIn? I signed up to it once to talk to an old friend, didn't even put my name on the account. A quick login suggests that's also in the last category. Last.fm? If I had an account for it, it would also be the last one.
So it's really bad to try to take away anything new from this article. People choose rubbish passwords when they are asked for a password to protect rubbish. This is like having 1234 on the combination to keep your wheelie bin shut so it doesn't bang in the wind, who cares? But your bike probably has a half-decent combination on it and a better lock.
Now do a survey of the passwords people use on Amazon or Steam or their bank and see how different the results are.
Quote "A throwaway Yahoo account because you were forced to sign up to it by product X? Who cares?
An eHarmony account that you really don't care about people hacking and only set up for a laugh? Again, who cares?"
The people who get spammed when your weak user credentials are abused and used to send messages to other members or send emails?
I'd care about eHarmony being hacked. (Not that I actually use it, maybe I should.) I'd need a photo and enough real info that it runs a risk of identifying me. Plus payment info if I wanted to contact anyone.
