Register readers mostly too ashamed to cop to hideous hoard horrors
We're very, very disappointed that Reg readers did not answer our call for the hoardiest human to come forward and present photographic evidence of their obsession with hanging onto every last bit of crap. Despite many horror stories - including tales of small children buried under defunct computer kit landslides, and fire …
Re: Gaius's room looks quite well organized
s/works/worse/
Doesn't this bronze badge come with a "show what I meant, not what I typed" function yet?
But it's like selling your children
I do remember selling a computer once.
An Amstrad 6128.
Other than that I still have all the computers I have bought or built starting from a Sinclair Spectrum from 1984.
As I live on my own there is no-one to nag me about clearing them out and as I haven't moved house in over 30 years that spur to disposal is missing as well.
I do actually use some of the older stuff from time to time. Getting some software to run is a lot easier when everything is of the same vintage i.e. getting stuff from the 1990s going is easier on an AMD K6 with a 3dfx Voodoo 2 card and so on.
So keep hold of that stash, it MAY well come in handy one day.
I wanted to participate
but everything I have is essential. I could not bear to part with my 8 inch floppy disks with CP/M and MS Fortran, my RCA vacuum tube manual, my original copy of "The C Programming Language" by K&R (the one without function prototypes), my complete collection of first year university lecture notes or the wall I made out of BYTE magazines.
retro-computing
Gaius's 4 Beebs and A1200 might fetch a bob or two on the retro-computing market.
Re: retro-computing
Company I work for had a Beeb to flog. Now, despite being born in 1985, I saw what looked like a SCSI cable hanging out of it and thought "Domesday Project". I was right, and said Beeb went for over £200.
Wishing Shed
I have a shed just like that garage, occasionally I need something and think "I've got one of those in the shed".
I open the door, take one look and wish I could find (or even get to if it is visible at the back) what it is I'm looking for.
Then I close the door and find something else to do.
I must get another shed and this one I promise I will keep tidy :)
The problem with garages..
Is what to do with them when they're full.
I have a single garage (and 2 garden sheds) filled with several Volkswagens, in component form, in cardboard boxes - tenuous IT angle, but there is a custom ECU in there somewhere that I built. After several wet summers and less than effective damp-proofing, the boxes are reverting to pulp, and their contents slowly re-arranging themselves.
To combat this I 'acquired' about 60metres of freestanding shelving which, in it's disassembled form filled the remaining free space in the garage. I now have no space to assemble the shelves.
Re: The problem with garages..
You're not too bad yet. My stepfather has 2 MG's in various states of disrepair in his garage, and... An airplane. Not to mention a trailer in the backyard (used to haul the airplane) that is packed full of things that HE CAN'T PART WITH, and the kicker: he built a basement to hold all of his model train (and other) stuff.
Bought the house next door, demolished it, and built an extension with a basement that could house a bowling alley. And the basement is nearly full. That's my yardstick for hoarding. Oh, and there's a museum of ramshackle computer equipment around the compound.
So if you need a dot matrix printer... He has 2. And reams of paper.
Re: The problem with garages..
Petr0lhead
The problem with garages..
Is what to do with them when they're full.
Oh bro, your not thinking big enough. It's simple, Forget the Garage, go to the lumber yard, buy 2 * 6's and 4 * 12 Flooring sheets J79's? I forget the term, I know it when I see it, a compressed product used for roofing. Then don't forget the metal joist holders, tape measure, hammer, nails, skilsaw, maybe some big SPIKE NAILS 12 " and some bolts (for structure) Now get up in the rafters, measure 16" - 24" on center, and get busy, inspect first-don't nail a 12" nail through a wiring bundle!! Oh yeah you need a ladder Sorry add it to the list. Maybe add beer and pizza to the list too for rounding the whole thing out. It will COST LESS than storage.
Alternatively, if you have someone who's a military dorm clean freak, add some carpet and a few electrical outlets (mains) , a flatscreen, a futon style mattress (forget frames, box springs, and headboards), and they can live up there.
Or they can live up there and you slowly add more dusty plastic stuff until they logically must leave.
If you can't do the house, expand the ROOF or Rafters of the garage. If you got big money, cut the roof off and build a second floor. Look up and find where the space is. Always stack things straight and level and to the roof, they use less space that way. I know a guy ran a CB shop out of a bedroom, from floor to ceiling wall after wall of CB radios, one table in the middle of the room.
Re: The problem with garages..
I would quite like to stuff my garage full of "might be useful one day" bits & pieces. Unfortunately my garage is already full of my mate's kit car.
He has a lovely double garage of his own, stuffed with 2 more kit cars & large numbers of assorted parts. He also has 2 more in his garden, plus one on his driveway - the only one that actually runs, so I am storing the overflow. My garage is quire large, which is good because another mate moved away & I have a load of HER stuff filling in the gaps round the car; anyone want an old 32 inch CRT TV?
At my last house I had 2 of the things in my single garage; as those were 2 seater sporty things so low slung, he rigged up a giant stand so they were sort of double decked.
It's stressful to keep that much junk
I had a garage as bad as that, and it was a constant background worry knowing that l'd have to deal with it some day (or my loved ones if I'd perished first). It took several weekends of trips to the local tip before I finally ended up with a single row of boxes at the back of a now useful space. Mainly Christmas decos and some childhood stuff to hang onto for the pleasure of nostalgia, and stuff that really is useful once in a while but not often enough to be worth bringing into the house.
I finally realised that the stuff that 'might be useful one day' hadn't been used for years, and is the kind of stuff that can be bought for peanuts in a poundland. And the stuff that 'might be worth something one day' really won't be. Take a look on eBay for what it's really worth.
It's worth far more to have the space and tidyness, and knowing that if you ever need to move house, it won't be anywhere near as stressful as it would have been. And I'd hate to leave that mess behind for my beloveds to deal with, if I get run over by a bus, virus, mutation, or vein blockage.
Re: It's stressful to keep that much junk
i admire your courage, i agree with the sentiment but don't have it in my to follow your example.
I believe its the buddhists that say that possessions weigh down the soul.
Just take photos
Take some pics of the junk you can't bear to part with, because most of the pleasure you get from it is just seeing it and having it remind you of bygone days. These days a 'photo' costs nothing but a MegaByte or two of diskspace, so it's almost free. You don't really need the physical item in your hand half the time. You can still tell the grandchildren "this is what gramps used to use when I was your age" by showing them the photo - as if they'd really care :)
I have a no junk policy
well. maybe a bit of old hardware, oh and some redundant software, and then there's those iOmega zip disks.....
I was expecting someone would have a selection of 1980's minicomputers
so didn't bother to submit my collection of 1990-onward PC junk. It would make a good pile, if it wasn't scattered all over the house. I think perhaps this weekend's mission should be to sort out just what there is that might still get used, which probably shouldn't include things like ISDN modems and SparQ drives. eBay? Or maybe I should just build a shed.
Another El Reg opportunity - a clearing house
I'm sure we've all got piles of shit that in the right circumstances could be useful to someone else for the price of collection or postage.
I've got a pile of AGP graphics cards, a couple of PCI-E, a box full of old memory 128K to 1G, several sound cards plus a load of other stuff.
In my minds-eye there's a school somewhere that could upgrade their old computers, more memory, better graphics, sound. Then there's all those leads, ethernet cables...
Of course it might just be better to grow up and throw it away.
Just admit it Reg...
You guys are just jealous that you don't have a huge collection of old awesomeness to boast with ;-)
It's all fun and games until....
...you find yourself in a position with a two year old Dell Precision tower, running Windows 7 64bit, and the on-board video gets zapped due to an electrical storm from hell that blew up the solar panels on the roof, killed a router, UPS, and printer. Just buy another PCI-e video card and move on right? Oh Noooes! Dell neglected to solder in the PCI-e slot, you can see where it *should* have been, but Dell saved 10 cents. Two PCI slots only.
Do you realize how difficult it is to find a PCI video card that works with Win7Pro? I finally found an old Trident in a box I haven't looked in ages at.
Moral of the story is that sometimes it's not a bad thing to keep your parts around.
;)
Re: It's all fun and games until....
if thats not a sign from above about buying a Dell then i don't know what is....
Just junked a load of old pc's and associated kit felt weird but then reliased that even the oldest of my (3-5 year old) laptops would out power it so why keep them "just in case". same with old CRT tv's if our (only) tv went i could easily survive on the other digital kit so why am i hanging on to those two hulking monsters
Re: It's all fun and games until....
Sometimes the client knows best, no matter how many times he bashes his head into the wall with Dell Support. Maybe he likes the sound, I don't know. I just get paid to correct the shortcomings.
Sigh....
This is just a Rise of the Machines waiting to happen
These hordes are like stockpiles of raw terminator materials.
clean house, boring life more like
after spending most of the day in corporate IT, I've got better things to do than spend all my time tidying
No pictures, but...
My stash includes two Electrons I've never used (got a Beeb), an 8" drive that nothing interfaces to, an Apple-branded Miniscribe 20MiB SCSI harddisc that is the slowest thing ever built. Somewhere I have a Umatic tape that I have no idea what to play it on or what's on it (maybe a lost episode of Dr Who?). BBC micro printer cables? Got plenty. There's a big box full of "obsolete stuff" in the corner of the room, with other things scattered around - like a Beeb with half its ICs missing. I can't get rid of the board because the day I do will be the day the 74LS1234 blows up in the main Beeb and this part just won't exist any longer. Or some obscure PAL or ULA will need to be unsoldered and transferred across, so it is useful (even though I've not powered up the actual Beeb in years because it's so much simpler to run an emulator...).
All of this, and can I find a USB lead with the right sort of connection when I need to? Can I heck... <sigh>
Clearly a fellow old-school electronic musician
You can never have too many old Atari STs. You know, just incase.
It may have been a decade since I last felt the need to turn one on and create a vast spider web of midi cables, but one of these days....
auction!
I see some good stuff there, BBC Micro, a new-case C64, is that a MicroVitec monitor I spy?
All highly collectable and selling on auction sites quite well.
You know you have a problem when...
For me the tipping point was reached when I started looking at my stuff and thinking "Even if I'm never going to use that keyboard/power supply/battery pack/STB/monitor ever again, I might be able to disassemble it and use the bits". Equally, "It's broken beyond repair, but I could probably fish a working capacitor out of it. And that backplane support bracket looks useful".
That's when I knew it'd gone too far.
Re: You know you have a problem when...
That's not too far at all: it sounds about right to me!
i mean, capacitors are expensive things, and sometimes you need a piece of metal of just the size of a backplane support.
I resemble that remark...
In the last two house moves I've taken van loads of collected crap to the tip. Including random power supplies that I had no idea what they powered, an ISDN router - I've never had an ISDN line, at least 6 dead or semi-dead PCs, and ancient graphics and other cards.
I'm down to one crate of random junk now, but I do have a box full of old mobile phones. I keep telling myself they are classics and will be worth money one day...
I have only needed one thing (can't remember what it was now) that I kept "just in case" for years and binned, and I could now do with the KVM switch I threw out. I am finally using the media centre remote control I bought on a whim about 5 years go though.
I can give up any time I want..
Actually things aren't too bad. I'm considering chucking the 5.25 inch drives and stopped buying anything that's old, slow, noisy and power hungry. I was tempted by some Sun Blade systems, but unless you buy a PGX card their graphics card isn't supported by anything useful including later versions of Solaris! The old sparcstation is up in the loft and the O2 boxes might join them if I can't find a way to quiten them down..
emulation is also great, and stops me buying original kit when the performance is good enough
Re: I can give up any time I want..
You think your O2 is loud? I own an Octane.
Must not throw old computer kit away...
... at least that's what I keep telling myself.
I occasionally have to have a clear out and get rid of the old kit that hasn't been used in years. Either that or the wife get's all upperty.
Trouble is I have been given an Amstrad PC 1512 with a shed loads of 5.25" Public Domain discs. I decided to archive the lot of them to zip files to preserve the software. I can't interface the Amstrad to the network (it would probably be more trouble doing than it's worth) and I can't find my stash of 1.2mb 5.25" floppy drives. I kept a computer to hook them upto that could connect to the network but after turning the house, loft and garage upside down I can only guess that they went in one of the periodic clearouts. Damn!
It's getting harder and harder to preserve old data these days as storage systems become defunct. This is what I keep explaining to the missus.
So if anybody out there has any old 1.2mb 5.25" floppy drives that they can bare to part with then let me know...
Re: Must not throw old computer kit away...
if you can find one that old, you may be able to connect an old 3.5" Fdd, (the 720K ones, NOT the 1.44Mb ones as the interface changed slightly)
Alternatively, you may want to try a null modem cable to another PC (Although serial ports are starting to become an extinct species) (I remember laplink years ago, do they still make that?)
I seem to remember i managed to get Minix on to a 1640 not too many years ago, Cant remember how i did it though. I suspect i may have put the hard drive card into a 486 that was obsolete enough to still have 16 bit slots and with a bios still able to understand 8 bit hard drive controllers.
Re: Must not throw old computer kit away...
Now there's a thought. I still have a laplink cable and the softwarre should be easy to find if I dont have it. I could rig up an old laptop that I have and copy the data over that way. It would just be a bit slower than I would like and thereare about 300-400 discs to go thorugh.
I'll still keep my eyes open for an old 1.2mb floppy drive. May take a trip down the tip and talk to the guys who run it to see if I can have any drive I find in the electronics/electrical bins.
Re: Must not throw old computer kit away...
"So if anybody out there has any old 1.2mb 5.25" floppy drives that they can bare to part with then let me know..."
Hmm - think I have a spare one ...but will a modern PC bios recognise a 5.25 floppy?
Re: Must not throw old computer kit away...
I do have one here - Chinon FZ-506 Rev A.. Will have to see if it still works. Realistically I'll never use it again - I have lots of 3.5" disks but practically no 5.25". I also have one of these lovely pieces of kit : http://www.lotharek.pl/product.php?pid=42 - never have a floppy fail again..
I suppose I should think of junking the 486DX2-66 with 20MB RAM too. It made a decent uTorrent box with NT4 and large IDE drivers, but the check time when transfers went wrong were excruciatingly long..
Re: Must not throw old computer kit away...
I have kept an older PC that has a bios that can use the old 1.2mb drives.
Re: Must not throw old computer kit away...
@BinkyTheMagicPaperclip - If the drive does work then let me know on 'thedysk at gmail dot com'
A spreading european problem perhaps?
In San Francisco they are just signed off to start building 20' * 20' (5 meters) "sustainable" (puke/vomit) homes, I see the problem is you don't build big enough homes to hold your property. If all you want is an empty home with flower vase and shaving bowl on the dresser, and a netbook stuffed behind the toilet.
There's nothing wrong with hording this stuff. I have boxes and boxes of MFM, and other vertical rack server sheet after sheet of golden memory chips. I'm not recycling, I'm SELLING them. Especially with the monetary systems so corrupt, you may be LIVING on that stuff, or bartering, soon enough. And look the first picture has a canoe, I have a RAFT! I live in a flood zone, coincidence? There's nothing abnormal here for an inventor, hacker, electronics tech. Sure those keyboards are big but hey you might need an i8048 one day! whip out the propane torch tap tap on the floor and boom instant steaming hot electronics parts delivery.
(note to the young: If your doing more than one board, be sure to ventilate the lead solder and green circuit board to black charred remains smoke, I don't care about safety glasses and hot solder, you need to get some in your eye at least once)
Somewhere in there..
Somewhere in the collection of PC parts and bits from the years, including 1MB simms, I know there is a VGA cable just like the one I just had to buy. If only I could find it...
"Give yourself permission to throw things away"
"Kind and resourceful people see potential value in every cracked and crazy thing.
"Throwing it out may be a waste, but if you can't find and use things in the mess, they are already lost to you.
"On top of that is buildings and space you cannot use, clarity and beauty lost, wasted.
"Its already wasted. You are only gaining by letting it go.
[Cecilia Macaulay, "How to create beauty - lessons from a Japanese Farmhouse makeover"]
Cable hell
Each time I dispose of an old SCSI or Parallel cable, another two spring into existence to take its place. I've just given up now and made them a home.
That's what happens...
...when you try to use magic to make the cables tidy themselves up. You are the apprentice, the sorcerer is the Unix guru in the basement office (no windows of any sort, obviously).
Mind you, whilst the cables magically replicate, SCSI termination blocks disappear into dust without any help whatsoever.
Same problem here with flat panels
Specifically, keeping them "just in case" the panels can one day be used for something, the lack of a working inverter/controller board being a major headache and most of the time they have serious damage/bad lines/etc.
Make a video wall with them and Raspberry Pi Model A's maybe?
Same with old power supply boards, most of the time the optos can be reused but the capacitors are usually worthless and wound components aren't worth much these days unless you are making voltage converters.
The only exception was the >50 ferrite toroids rescued from a box of wiring which along with the 34063 based phone charger carcass pile are being repurposed into power supplies for bicycle lights.
Update of old joke...
Once upon a time, there was a beautiful princess and a handsome prince. The prince asked the princess for her hand in marriage, and she said no. So instead of wasting his time on a quest to change her mind, he spent the rest of his life riding motorcycles; dating girls half his age; drinking as much whisky as he liked; [accumulating all the technological junk that he liked]; and generally having a great time --- and he lived happily ever after.
Can NOT throw it away, it's ILLEGAL to throw it away!
I have a garage full of clutter, and half of it is old computer equipment which is clearly out of date, needs to be thrown away, and ... it's ILLEGAL to throw it away! It can only be disposed of at certain licensed locations, with pre-registration, a few times a year. Next date coming up is in June. Probably it'll be on a weekend like this past year, when I'm busy with another project and can't make it.
So actually, here in the United States, this is a problem created by regulation.
Total bugbear of mine - keeping endless piles of crap. Ending up with 99percent of it totally useless, but robbing you of so much space. Is it really worth not having a backbedroom and having a living room that looks like the set of "steptoe and son" so that just ONCE in 20 years you might have that piece of kit you really need in a box somewhere... that you just can't find... so you go out and buy a new one. Then find the old one a week later... When you REALLY don't need it since you now have a newer one, but now you know where it is you keep it as a "spare".... Usually you waste so much time looking for the one you know you've got somewhere (and pray still works!) it would have been quicker just to go out and buy a new one that you KNOW still works!
All that said. Yup. I do it, too.
