Coffee next on climate chopping-block
“Climate deniers,” just go and fetch yourself a coffee and ignore this story. For the rest of us, the news is dire: according to a study by the Royal Botanic Gardens at Kew, wild Arabica could be on the climate change hit list. OK, deep breaths: the cultivated stuff will still be out there. Maybe: according to the study, the …
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Re: Why do eco-catatrophists always assume the planet is so fragile ?
> moving property isn't possible.
Don't need to move it, just form a company based on it and sell the shares to suckers. Then buy other property somewhere else. Think of it as a form of teleportation...
Re: Why do eco-catatrophists always assume the planet is so fragile ?
You assume that we all just sit here and let the sea levels flood the most expensive real estate in the world.
Re: Why do eco-catatrophists always assume the planet is so fragile ?
...because their income depends on persuading people that this is the case.
In the early 1970s their income depended on persuading people that the population was growing out of control. By the late 70s/early 80s their income came from pretending that chemicals were going to wipe out all birds and insects. During the 1990s there was a short 'nuclear winter' scare, and then they latched onto the 'Global Warming' scam, which has been hugely successful - paying the green industry billions of our money, and bringing several nations' energy industries to the brink of collapse.
I can't see why these parasites are not crushed once and for all. As the science around modeled global warming catastrophe collapses, they are already looking for new fields to infect...
Re: Why do eco-catatrophists always assume the planet is so fragile ?
I think you'll find it's denialists who assume that. Is it not they who assume the medieval warm period was so much hotter than today? Well they can't have it both ways, if it was that hot the climate sensitivity must be much higher than current estimates. LOL
Re: Why do eco-catatrophists always assume the planet is so fragile ?
That has to be one of the most retarded comments I've ever seen.
I mean really, I know you climate catastrophists are not playing with a full deck and all but you really need to go bone up on the concept of cause and effect.
Just for the record, the fact that climate is proven to be naturally variable (the MWP) is not evidence that the climate is fragile, in fact it proves exactly the opposite,
Re: Why do eco-catatrophists always assume the planet is so fragile ?
Did you mention a downside, hang on, I'll read it again....
Re: Why do eco-catatrophists always assume the planet is so fragile ?
Ah - excuse me. NYC was just flooded. One can imagine it happening again, except three feet (1m) deeper. Bad for the locals, and certainly a waste of money. But we shall survive.
What's really daft is that a reported 250,000 cars were flooded. Strange...
It's funny, isn't it?
Humanity is, more and more, ignoring religion. But it seems that we, as a species, need to irrationally have something to be very, very afraid of, and are thus inventing things to take religion's place. I wonder why that is? Must be a "survival of the species" thingie ...
OMFG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, THEREFORE MY SHAMANS MUST BE RIGHT AND I MUST FEAR IT!!!!!!1one!!!111one!!!!
The mind absolutely boggles.
Re: It's funny, isn't it?
Maybe we have been fed so much nonsense about gods, and told so many fairy tails, for so long, that we are all now somehow dependent upon a degree of superstition in our lives?
Re: It's funny, isn't it?
Actually, its probably the opposite.
Of course shamanism brings fear - as far as I can tell, the "pagan" religions are all about trying to manipulate, bribe or appease the gods or spirits, one of the main appeals of Christianity in Africa is the freedom from fear of evil spirits.
Christianity takes a long view and says death isn't the end. Not only that, its says no-one is good enough to please the deity, but that's ok, because the deity is willing to take the punishment instead for being evil in our place, if you want him to. Its the whole, "for god so loved the world," thing and "let not your hearts be troubled..."
Atheists on the other hand, have no hope of a better life after death, so they are justifiably averse to having anything impact their lives here and now. If this is all they've got before they sink once again into nothingness, it isn't surprising they get agitated about possible bad environment effects. They have no god who has declared that he's going to fix the mess we've made of this world and bring it back to the perfection he originally built for us.
Who has the most cause to be afraid?
Re: It's funny, isn't it?
Your kidding right? You equate the folk behind climate scaremongering with Atheists?
You do realise that most Atheists are people with a scientific mind and who because of this like to look at the evidence on both sides. As such ALL of the Atheists that I know fall into the Climate Skeptic or Undecided camps. They are not the ones scaremongering.
Next you will be telling us that all bankers must be atheists because religious folk would never act immorally...
Re: It's funny, isn't it?
Speaking with my Christian hat on for a moment, it annoys me the number of times people invoke God as a justification for whatever bit of pseudo-scientific nonsense they're foisting on the general population (in turn to justify raising taxes and throwing more money at international NGOs who exist only to, er, justify their existence apparently).
But then I always believed God was a libertarian so I'm probably somewhat atypical. :D
Stupidity isn't limited to any particular social group - nor is wisdom and intelligence, before anyone decides to claim that group X is dumb because they do or do not believe in hypothetical concept Y.
I'm going to have some coffee.
Will this see the end of 'Java'?
Ok, Coat, gone with the dregs of some nice Columbian in the pocket (Coffee you numbskulls)
{but it had to be said...}
Re: Will this see the end of 'Java'?
So the next programming fad will be Chai?
Shoot the messenger
Well, if Orlowski and his pals at the GWPF succeed in shutting down the BBC for daring to report the facts about climate change, the risk to coffee will disappear!
Re: Shoot the messenger
BBC reported facts ? I thought that was one of its problems. Lost a manager recently over a failure to report facts, didn't it? And BBC managment won't say who their climate experts are. Makes one a bit suspicious, unless one is a True Believer.
Re: Shoot the messenger
The GWPF argue that they cannot reveal their donors because it would put them at risk, but if the BBC revealed these names, the GWPF would be all over them like a rash, with FOI demands. Hypocritical, or what!
Re: Shoot the messenger
At a risk of going horrendously off topic I note that two weeks ago the BBC was (IMHO wrongly) castigated *for not* broadcasting a programme because they didn't have robust evidence that all the allegations in it were true. This week they're being (IMHO rightly) castigated *for* broadcasting a programme in which they didn't have robust evidence that the allegations in it were true.
People need to accept that criminal investigation is not and cannot be an exact science. If you never want an innocent person to be damaged then a hell of a lot of guilty people are going to get away with it, or alternatively if you never want a guilty person to get away you are going to convict a hell of a load of innocents.
Robusta, Chicory anyone?
The prospect of drinking Robusta your whole life isn't terribly attractive ;-)
Or worse, chicory.
the globalists plan to cut off coffee supplies
and starve the libertarians out under pretenses of going to environmental re-education camps.
Not in my lifetime
True or false, I won't be around long enough to see this scenario play out. If it is true, I hope it also happens to coca and opium.
Vending machines
Coffee will never run out.. vending machines and Starbucks have been artificially creating the stuff for decades. At the back of every store and machine I fully expect to find Eddy the shipboard computer creating a substance almost, but not quite, entirely unlike coffee.
Nooooo
*Clings onto his Costa branded coffee tin*
*holds onto his beloved starbucks and Arabica java's*
Criminal!!!
chickory dickery
Once upon a time, it was quite legal to blend low grade coffee with chickory. It not only tasted disgusting (a bit like freeze dried granule zombie coffee), but turned out to be quite hazardous to health. If you're going to drink coffee for the hit, giving it fancy names and throwing milk at it will only hasten the demise of the Arabica bean. Robusta is the low altitude variety that just gives you a sticky taste in the throat instead of the gorgeous crystal meth Arabica tilt, and a desire to pop open the Gold Blend and stirr in some sodium aluminosilicate and hot water and have another cup and another until you take on the appearance of a lizard creature. (it sez here)
PANIC???
For all the people who are worried about all the "maybe's" in your article, have no fear! We in Canada will plant all the coffee, palm, coconut, banana's in our vast arctic. While many out there are running around pointing fingers and playing "Chicken Little" about the issue and who is to blame; the intelligent people out there have been preparing for the new world we (well our grandchildren) will be living in! Why are so many people surprised about this fact? When I was a child, I was taught that the dinosaurs roamed a hot, moist paradise here in Canada, as well as around the world! Then a comet/asteroid crashed into this tropical rain forest and started an ice-age. So much for the dinosaurs! But luckily, the earth has been warming up ever since! So what's the fuss about? Let's get at it; start figuring out what the issues are (the real issues, not who's to blame) and what do we need to do as a species to survive! The great thing about humans is that we are the best species at adapting to change! We are one of the few that can modify (to some extent, we're not Gods!) our enviroment. So, no more fear-mongering, blaming, panicing; let's get to work! We shall survive!!!
Personally I find the weather to be getting slightly colder, NOT slightly warmer - consequently needing to wear warm clothes longer than I used to 15 - 20 years ago!
As for coffee, if you've ever been in coffee plantations you'd know that global warming (if it ever actually happens) would help the coffee beans grow faster & perhaps in greater numbers, & - most important of all - would ripen faster. So the global warming scammers are spreading a double falsehood here - firstly that there is & will be global warming, when the opposite is happening, & secondly that if it really does occur it will be detrimental to coffee when in fact would be likely to be helpful. God - these global warming scammers are dishonest!
Anyone actually take the time to read the 'research' from the link here? (Author of the article is excluded of course, journos don't read or fact check.)
The title of the 'research' : The Impact of Climate Change on Indigenous Arabica Coffee (Coffea arabica): Predicting Future Trends and Identifying Priorities. One word that shouldn't be there, 'predicting'.
First sentence of the Abstract: 'Precise modelling of the influence of climate change on Arabica coffee is limited; there are no data available for indigenous populations of this species.' Predicting from no data. I guffaw loudly at this 'science'.
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