Re: God that thing is ugly

Peter Scott's widow did the same after a carpenter made her a Gloucestershire style five-bar gate in oak... she then wanted it painted white.

Re: God that thing is ugly

> I'm no naval engineer

No, but I am.

I am a Naval Architect and I wouldn't trust this thing on the Grand Union.

The plumb bow, the apparent aft concentration of hull volume, the high sides (and most likely an all to cock metacentric height) all mean instability. That big flat transom is an issue too.

A shipbuilder will build whatever the customer asks for. If that's something fucking stupid they will ask the customer if they are sure, ask them to sign waivers, ask if they are really really sure and then build it anyway.

Re: God that thing is ugly

>I am a Naval Architect and I wouldn't trust this thing on the Grand Union.

Bullshit. Under the International Convention on the Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS), "The International Load Line Convention sets standards of construction, strength and subdivision and the criteria for minimum stability and freeboard. "

There are potential criminal consequences for the owner for non-compliance, not to mention detention of the yacht.

I'm surprised that as a naval architect you don't know that.

@ uncle sjohie

Would you care to explain exactly what is a "solid veneer"?

Re: God that thing is ugly

> Bullshit. Under the International Convention on the Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS), "The International Load Line Convention sets standards of construction, strength and subdivision and the criteria for minimum stability and freeboard. "

I'm surprised that as a naval architect you don't know that.

Quite right of course. But then I would also know that SOLAS doesn't apply to pleasure yachts, cargo ships of less than 500 tonnes or (iirc) ships that do not venture outside of territorial waters.

I freely admit that I am speculating about the underwater form, but judging from the visible shape and from Starck's previous designs I would make an educated guess that there is fuck all below the waterline and this thing is horribly unstable in both pitch and roll.

Re: God that thing is ugly

> But then I would also know that SOLAS doesn't apply to pleasure yachts

*snort*

Vic.

Re: @ uncle sjohie

I think the person means they weren't up for making the object out of solid wood, but still didn't want to use Fablon like in non-seagoing campervans ;)

Re: solid walnut veneer

It's either solid or veneered.

Re: God that thing is ugly

For those wanting to see some sexy megayachts, check out Yachts International and Boat International. I used to buy both at times. Unfortunately, some of the line drawings can be rather difficult to enjoy since details can be difficult to suss out. But, side detail tables sometimes make up for that.

I would have thought that a multi billionaire, however, would go all out. $25,000,000 - $80,000,000, or whatever he spent, could buy a lot more of resale value in the appearances department.

I wonder whether BI or YI can get releases or clearances to showcase this yacht in an issue, or whether it has already been.

Re: God that thing is ugly

It might have a concealed 499T keel to make it not fall over when a swan flaps its wings nearby :P

Re: Does that mean decent Marine Nav software exists for OS X ???

There isnt. Its probably running windows(note that article talks about the hardware, not software). I cant really make out any OS specific features based on the pictures though.

Re: Does that mean decent Marine Nav software exists for OS X ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(yacht):

"However, [the yacht] Hyperion is famous primarily for her owner, silicon valley entrepreneur Jim Clark, founder of Silicon Graphics and Netscape, who built the yacht with the aim of replacing all conventional ship board electronics with an array of integrated, touch screen computers.

At the time of launch, all systems aboard the yacht including engines and sailing systems, environmental systems, lighting, HVAC and entertainment were controlled by a network of 30 customized Silicon Graphics computers and 22 LCD touch screens at various locations throughout the yacht."

I do appreciate that OSX isn't IRIX, but if one billionaire can get UNIX-like navigation software together, there is no reason why another shouldn't.

Re: Does that mean decent Marine Nav software exists for OS X ???

A mate of mine is a sailor(engineer/bridge) and his dad actually visited Imtech, and he observed that the computers where running XP with conventional software for ships. The hardware was a macintosh machine. The photograph is probably done for show.

V. NSFW poetry

Can't believe it took this long for someone to cite the lyrics to The Good Ship Venus, and then mess them up!

[Chorus:]

On them Good Ship Venus

By Christ you should have seen us

The Figurehead was a whore in bed,

Sucking a dead man's penis.

The cabin boy was Kipper,

A dirty little nipper,

We stuffed his arse with broken glass

To circumcise the skipper.

The ship's dog's name was Rover

They turned the poor mutt over

And ground and ground

That faithful Hound

From Teneriffe to Dover

The boatswain's name was Lester,

He was a hymen tester.

Thru hymens thick he stuck his prick

And left it there to fester.

Louden Wainwright III does a damned good version.

(No relation to Mr Haines, I'm sure)

Re: V. NSFW poetry

Apologies to anyone trying to read the lyrics, the Reg forum broke the formatting - there is supposed to be a line break after every lines, though you'd do better to search online for the full lyrics or Louden Wainwright's recording- though there are many to choose from. The Sex Pistols recorded a variant, 'Friggin in the Riggin'.

>I can't believe someone didn't get the joke.

I couldn't get your words to work with the rhythm of the melody, or rhyme. They seemed to form less of a joke and just descended into a boring read-a-thousand-times-before anti-Apple rant.

Re: V. NSFW poetry

Jeez, thanks! I had a mild headache from a possible oncoming cold, but laughing so hard at this made me feel a bit better....

Cheers!

Sigh..

Rant over? Feel better now? That you're totally off re. the costs and longevity of Apple products may escape your blind hatred, but that's OK, as long as you're happy. Those who actually know how to calculate total cost of ownership over equipment lifetime quite happily buy Apple gear again - that it looks better is but a happy bonus.

No stupid!…

… it's lightning enabled - it will dock both ways ;-)

Thou shalt not go against the word of Jobs?

That's a rather silly assumption to make. Speaking as an owner of an MBP and assorted other fruity goods is my view any more valid in your eyes? I think it looks f*cking ugly. No arguement of function over form can persuade me otherwise. Drawing from an Iain M. Banks book I think it should be renamed the "Idiot Aboard".

Re: Thou shalt not go against the word of Jobs?

Fair enough, but there's no need for all the nasty and inaccurate personal anti-Jobs comments in this forum just because the aesthetics of a boat are not appreciated, for Christ's sake.

Admirable, Nelson

I see no boat! :P

Re: sail there on its own?

1) Probably cheaper to ship it than to pay a crew and the voyage costs;

2) I doubt *very* much that the Venus is capable of an Atlantic crossing in anything other than the most clement weather.

Re: it will be loaded onto a container ship and sent to its final destination

"Er, it's a boat. Can't it float, and (let's be adventurous here) sail there on its own?"

I wouldn't want to take that across an ocean on a shake-down run!

Re: Yuks

That was called "A Room for London", and I can see no similaries at all.

This, on the other hand, is a very lovely boat.. Though, given what can happen to aluminium bicycle frames, especially if the council's put salt on the roads, I'd give it three years.

Re: Yuks

You do get different alloys of aluminium. Bicycle frames are usually 6xxx or 7xxx series alloy, boats usually use 5xxx series, and tensile strength reductions in 10-year sea-water corrosion tests of 1.62mm thick bare sheet specimens are only 2 to 5%.

Re: Yuks

That's why they fit sacrificial anodes on yachts...

Re: Aluminium

Eh? My 7005 MTB frame is 15 years old and has no corrosion whatsoever...

Re: My 7005 MTB frame is 15 years old

And how much of that time ha it spent immersed in seawater?