iPad Mini vs Nexus 7: inch makes all the difference, says Apple CEO
To Apple CEO Tim Cook, an inch is everything. Apple’s iPad Mini has an 8in display - its closest Android-based rivals all have 7in screens. A big difference, says Cook. "We would not make a 7in tablet," he told financial analysts and journalist eavesdroppers during a conference call last night. "We don't think they're good …
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Re: Read many long, skinny books do you?
Wasting your breath Geoff - it's Steve Todd. Look back through his posts and you will see that Apple can never, and I mean NEVER, do any wrong at all. Everything they do is perfect and anybody who doesn't think so is just wrong according to him. No argument can sway him, his faith is strong.
Re: Read many long, skinny books do you?
Just call me Quixote...
GJC
apple user replies
Well, I've been an apple use (not fanboi) since the mac plus, and now own a Gen1 ipad, an "old" ipod and a 2.8GHz workhorse - and a very early version of an android tablet. I can tell you the following:
1) I will never buy another ipad because I have a philosophical objection to non-repairable and non-upgradeable hardware (this may well apply to the ipod)
2) the nexus 7 will do all that I need for mini-tablet uses, and the apps that I use are available for both units - so I will be buying one of them in the near future
3) I may consider another mac workhorse (when mine dies) for the shrapnel of life, but this is not a certainty given the increasing lock-in (walled garden) going on with Apple.
By the way for those who wonder if I've ever used Win PC's, yes I have a mini laptop used when we are travelling and a desktop that I use to drive my ham radio equipment. Why? Because the ham radio software for PC is in my opinion, better than that available for mac.
And, my workplace is is a Win7 environment.
Geez! have I committed heresy, admitting to sins against Apple?
All Hail King Jobs!! (or not)
Re: apple user replies
The Nexus 7 isn't dramatically more repairable, and certainly not more expandable, than the iPad. But at least it's more powerful and priced accordingly.
Oh, and, a 2.8GHz processor isn't a work-horse. More of a work-pony. But Apple does have an issue with fast, higher clocked CPUs -- on PCs or on tablets. Not sure what their deal is.
P for Plonker!
My Nexus 7 fits comfortably in one hand, it has a really good GPS receiver built-in (and the Google maps work!).
Someone should tell Him, Bitching about competitor products just make you look like a Whiny Kid!
Re: P for Plonker!
I'll second that point - that the Google Nexus 7 has a *very* good (sensitive, fast, smart) GPS receiver built in. It works great. As compares to the RIM PlayBook that has a GPS receiver system (chip, antenna) that is simultaneously stone deaf, ponderously slow and monumentally stupid.
Re: P for Plonker!
I never could got a fix on my PB's GPS. Shakes fist.
Missing the point ..
.. the reason the Mini doesn't have a Retina display is so that the Mini 2 can get one!
Duh!
I know Apple treats their fanbois like eejits, but even eejits need SOME excuse to piss away sackfuls of cash. Holding back obvious features for the next upgrade has worked so well with iPods, iPhones and iPadMaxis. Remember the original iPhone? It's spec was like 2 to 3 years behind the competition on release so Apple-ites had no trouble justifying the 3G upgrade when that came out.
Re: Missing the point ..
Speaking as a "fanboi", this is pretty well spot on and very typically Apple. That said, I have an iPhone 4S (my first iPhone) and am immensely happy with it and worlds better than the Droid I had prior to that ... oh, and the maps are more accurate than Google in my very rural Virginia location. I waited until the iPad3 and bought a tablet to do some IOS development and it is a great tablet. I have a 30" Apple monitor and 17" MBP. I enjoy the integration and while I have issues with the direction Apple is going in regards to the walled garden, it does make sense from their perspective.
I am also a small business owner and web developer. As such, I use the tools that make the most sense. Debian / Ubuntu only for servers. They are rock-solid, just as my Mac development environment is. So this typical "fanboi" is like many ... we use the tools that make the most sense for our environment and don't like to settle for less. Most of us don't go out and buy the latest and greatest every time Apple comes up with an update, but we stick with Apple because it is the best choice for us. YMMV
XOOM Media Edition - 8.2
What about the XOOM Media edition? that has an 8.2 inch screen - surely that is a direct competitor to the iPad mini?
Being too lazy to check the respective specs against each other i can't say how they compare but surely 8.2 is closer to 7.9 than 7.0 is?
Dear Tim Cook,
Please do fuck off.
"7" = crap, 8" with lower res screen = best idea ever"? After the massive wank-fest over "retina" screens and how nothing is as good as a high pixel density screen, to try and dismiss the competition due to a 1" difference (despite a higher pixel density) comes off as desperate and complacent.
I have a feeling that very soon people are going to start wondering why the emperor isn't wearing any clothes after all...
Re: Dear Tim Cook,
Shame you dont understand the concept of a "test the water" device. Apple doesnt want to go all guns blazing when they're introducing themselves into this segment of tablet devices and potentially lose money. Hardly desperate, just sensible until they know they have a good market share to bounce the 2nd gen device into the market.
Anyway; size doesn't always matter, it's how you use it (referring to user experience if you're that blind). Paris knows all too well about this.
Re: Dear Tim Cook,
No, Apple don't 'test the water', they release under specced crap as the 1st generation, big it up through hype, under stock and marketing, slag off the competitions features, then release devices every 6-12 months, 1 feature at a time.
Then claim that the features they now have that were left out in the first place were they're idea.
And stupid fanbois fall for it all the time.
Let the downvotes commence.
Re: Dear Tim Cook,
Anyone who's been using Apple kit for any length of time knows that you never buy any 1st gen Apple device anyway; you always wait for rev.2 kit.
Re: Dear Tim Cook,
Wayhey! Another fandroid who doesn't understand business. Sweet. If every company went all out to put in every bit of up to date tech, whether it was available in the quantities they needed on projection, they'd make no money. Yes, Apple have plenty of hard money in the bank, but they still need to make money to support the guys n gals who have bought kit.
It's being called sensible. And who gives a crap if it has the latest stuff or not? User experience counts. You could have a Pentium II built inside the iPad... if you could code it to give you the best UI experience and it was fluid, does it matter? It's a crap example, but you should get my point if you take those rose tinted fandroid glasses off.
That's why the iPad is king. Whether you like it or not (of course you dont like it - that's why you encourage all your fandroid sheep to leap on the down vote button. clever).
Re: Dear Tim Cook,
Wow. Someone who's clearly an Apple fanboi telling someone to take off the rose coloured glasses. The irony is breathtaking.
Samsung is currently dominating the smartphone market (http://www.reghardware.com/2012/10/26/samsung_ships_two_smartphones_for_every_one_apple/ and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/26/samsung_q3_2012/), so obviously customers are happy with the experience and features of Android on Samsung. Maybe the tablet market will follow that trend and maybe it won't.
However, Samsung has been in the sub ten inch tablet market longer since Jobs (peace be upon him) poo-pooed it and refused to consider it. And now they've come to the party late with something that's not quite an inch larger and yet with a lower resolution display (what? That new friendship with an alternate screen-maker not panning out quite like they'd hoped? ;P), and lacking such a basic feature as GPS... Now which should I choose...let's see...
Re: Dear Tim Cook,
Oh dear. The mist and wool has gone right over your own eyes.
> Samsung is currently dominating the smartphone market (http://www.reghardware.com/2012/10/26/samsung_ships_two_smartphones_for_every_one_apple/ and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/26/samsung_q3_2012/), so obviously customers are happy with the experience and features of Android on Samsung. Maybe the tablet market will follow that trend and maybe it won't.
Shame they have to sell several models over 3 operating systems to achieve it. Tell me I'm wrong, but isn't the iPhone leading the market if you do single model comparisons? Pretty amazing feat really that fandroids still don't seem to grasp. And shipped phones is different to sold phones. The majority of the general public don't care about what they buy as long as it works.
> However, Samsung has been in the sub ten inch tablet market longer since Jobs (peace be upon him) poo-pooed it and refused to consider it. And now they've come to the party late with something that's not quite an inch larger and yet with a lower resolution display (what? That new friendship with an alternate screen-maker not panning out quite like they'd hoped? ;P), and lacking such a basic feature as GPS... Now which should I choose...let's see...
Very true on the first part, but maybe that was Apple's stratedgy all along. Make other vendors push out rubbish 7" tabs and flood disatisfaction until they got the formula correct with the 7" tab (waiting for parts to get cheaper, having a all-you-can-eat worth of apps to use as advertising, getting the right design/weight etc). By the way, there's a few reasons why you have the same resolution with a slightly bigger screen...
1. No need to compromise the UI - buttons bigger with larger pixels etc
2. Those screens can be made in bulk quite cheaply
3. 16:9 sucks on a tablet in portrait mode
Go refigure...
Full screen chrome on Nexus 7
Think it would be a good moment for google to sort out a full screen mode for Chrome on the Nexus 7
It loses quite a chunk of screen real estate at the top and the bottom
Yes I know other browsers can offer this but I like the fact chrome syncs across all my devices.
I also own an Ipad3 - tend to use that in the house and the nexus comes travelling with me
"choose an ipad over a pc" LOL
"choose an ipad over a pc"
last time I brought an ipad I had to connect it to my pc before i could use it!
Re: "choose an ipad over a pc" LOL
Not required since iO5. seriously, you guys really need to start working with old data.
So if it's 8" instead of 7", you'll only need to sand your fingers down to a third of their size instead of a quarter of their size? Jobs: "It's [7 inch tablet, that is] meaningless unless your tablet also includes sandpaper, so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one quarter of their present size"
So far
I have to agree with the N7 comments. I have an ipad3, but it's too heavy/big for day to day use on the train/tube.
N7 works fine.
Having had a play with the Kindle Fire HD's this morning, my feeling is they are going back and another N7 is going to be incoming to the household. (KFHD heavier, much wider (I've got big hands and it's still not comfortable, kids, forgetaboudit.)
Ipad mini, nice idea, I'd get one as I already have the investment in the apps, shame it's twice the price of the Amazon HD's for the 32GB model, and if the rumoured 32gb N7 arrives, then it will give me £170 to spend on Android apps as the saving over buy 2 N7's vs 1 Mini....
I hate LoveFilm
Great, I can buy a 7" Kindle and watch my streaming subscription, or an overpriced 8" Apple, but my Nexus, running effectively the same OS as the Kindle, is off-limits? Fuck you Amazon!
"“It is already extremely compelling for many customers to choose a tablet, in particular an iPad, over a PC,” he said. “When you look at the PC market, there is an enormous opportunity for Apple there.”"
No. But there could be compelling reasons why someone might choose a tablet format over a netbook, particularly if they write little and consume media in places where they would not naturally sit upright. An iPad (or other tablet) is not real competition for a PC because those devices have larger screens, better interfaces for control and input and may be connected to a greater range of peripherals.
Jacket pocket, because he should be looking for a clue.
Stupidest explanation ever
If I want the 7.0-inch screen on my Google Nexus 7 to appear as "large" as an IPad Mini's 7.9-inch screen, then I'll just hold the Nexus 7 ever so slightly closer to my face. I'm typing this on an Apple iPhone 4S, thus perfectly deflating the "sanding down" one's fingers nonsense. Cook's entire "7.9 is better than 7.0" argument is daft juvenile garbage.
They must be already gearing up for production of the iPad Mini 2 with a 7.5-inch 16x9 retinal display, etc. by now.
I always heard it wasn't the ...
length but the technique.
Guess Cooks extra 2..45 centimetres isn't worth much.
Yawn
Tim Cook dismisses the competition and promotes Apple products as better?! Really?! No way!
Of course the he would say so. I don't expect him to say anything else. And I don't much mind anything he says, all he's trying to do is sell more Apple stuff, which will get more cash flowing into his pocket. Tim Cook isn't omniscient, and that means that whatever he said isn't the final word. The final word is yours and mine when we strip away all the subjective promotion of products by measuring everyone' products against the others and Thinking Different to what Qpple would have you think.
timmy and his flock
Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which users express empathy and have almost fanatical ( eg APPLE ) positive feelings towards their products, always to the point of defending them ad nauseam.
No Sale.
That extra inch apparently means a width of 5.3 inches - about a third to half an inch wider than the various 7" Android tablets.
The 7" Androids fit snugly in the inside pocket of all of my jackets - be they casual, leather, suit or even tails. The extra centimeter makes the the mini-iPad too wide to fit in most of them, and therefore of no use to me, even if I was going to consider it otherwise.
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