Apple wins second round of Samsung patent slugfest
Apple has won a round of their ongoing battle with Samsung, scoring a complete four-patent victory at the US International Trade Commission. Samsung had filed the case with the trade arbitrators alleging that Apple, with the production of its iPhone and iPad, had infringed upon four of the Korean smartphone and tablet maker's …
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Re: @AC 08:10
I'd like to add that I didnt' see any t.v. manufacturer sue the hell out of the next one just because the t.v.'s look about the same. Walk into an electronics store and look at the rows of t.v.s along the back wall. Almost all of them look the same until you get close enough to see subtle differences, aside from the picture quality and viewing angle. This patent row that Apple is sewing will hurt it in the long run. They do not have Job's single-mindedness to guide them and the new corporate mentality has already started to erode their position. While it may not be noticable, there have already been articles on Apple management starting to cut corners to push some extra profit. They don't have the diversity to be a force in the market once American management integrates itself further... no real R&D, the beginning of product fragmentation (cell screen sizes are just the beginning) and not playing well with others.
Re: @AC 08:10
Actually, they all look different. Each manufacturer has a particular design "style", and to even the untrained eye, the devices from Samsung (great designs btw) differ markedly from those from Sony and LG (just to choose 2). I think if i entered the TV market and copied Samsung's quite unique TV stand shape and other physical features, i would be successfully sued by Samsung, and rightly so.
It's only the tech nerds with blind hatred and who think they have a dog in the fight that are incapable of recognising a copy when presented with it, and who can conversely fail to recognise major differences in products in an attempt to bolster their own feeble arguments. Most adults with children recognise the symptom.
Re: Actually, they all look different
really? You genuinely believe that? Because I think you're talking absolute bollocks. I was in Asda yesterday looking at about 20 or so tvs and the design of them all was exactly the same, a black rectangle with a big picture in the middle and the name of the manufacturer bottom and centre. No wonder you post anonymously...
Re: Actually, they all look different
Yes they do.
I was in Costco looking at about 20 tellies and those Samsung all looked different to those from Panasonic and LG.
Not quite the same with some of the other brands - but Philips TVs look different too.
Re: Actually, they all look different
Want to qualify that in any way or shall we just go:
"no they don't"
"yes they do"
"don't"
"Do!"
"Do NOT!"
...?
Re: Actually, they all look different
yes and a galaxy S2 does not look like an iphone, similar but not identical. There are subtle differences. Most TVs do look similar but if apple was looking at this they would be patenting the rounded corners on a rectangle approach.
Not good.
The Genius of Jobs...
Personally I think it is how he created this "thing", not the rampant fanboyism, as most popular things have their fanatics.
I think he is a genius as he was able to take something which traditionally has been in the hands of the religious ilk and moved it over to a sector (consumer electronics) that has traditionally been hard to make a huge profit out of selling each item.
Until the Apple Factor, I would have said the majority of us gadgetty consumers have been of the sensible type. Each generation of device we expect more, for less. Only the really rich or hooked would pay out of their noses for grey imports.
Even if some of us ended up as {insert brand of choice} whores, we liked having other companies competing against each other as that drove down prices, forced innovation, but more importantly gave us more choices.
But now it seems that a huge amount of the consumer is willing to pay out of their noses for a gadget, and more importantly wants no choice. What has happened?
I once joked that Jobs would take over the world by converting us all to iBermen, using his iDevices as the mechanism to suck away our free will, and it seems I might have not been too far from reality...
Also if geekism can only be acceptable to general society by spending over the top for shiny rather then gadgetry, loss of choice and herdism, then I want the good old days of living in the parents basement with no friends etc etc etc!
Re: The Genius of Jobs...
"Also if geekism can only be acceptable to general society by spending over the top for shiny rather then gadgetry, loss of choice and herdism, then I want the good old days of living in the parents basement with no friends etc etc etc!"
it appears the days of hacking together a bunch of old computers (at least 3 generations old), into very useful (well to the geeks) and cool (again to the geeks) kit has sadly gone. why the hell would you want a brand new router when you can spend a couple of weeks making and perfecting a dedicated router from an old P3 system with a 24port 100mbit switch duct taped to the chassis, with your own brew of linux running the show. gone are the days of trawling ebay for 2nd hand kit being stripped from some corp headquarters somewhere...sad days
why make it simple & tidy when wires and flashy lights everywhere looks cool & complex....
In the interest of balance ...
In the interest of balance can I just state they I love MS too?
I refuse to buy a single apple product until these ridiculous patents are scrapped even a founder of apple has come out against them. Apple wants a monopoly on invention and the only way to stop that from happening is to not buy their products.
Now the iPhone 5 is out...
We can all see why Apple has been trying to sue Samsung into submission...
The new iPhone5 is like the SGS2's twin brother! Seriously! No Samsung device has ever been created that looks that close to an iPhone, then Apple do what they've been accusing Samsung of!
Talk about slavishly copying design...
And has anybody yet come up with a single example of something that Apple has done that hasn't either
A) been done before (rounded corners, single physical button at bottom of screen, grids of icons, global search)
B) a bloody obvious evolution (pinch zoom, swiping, click to dial)
That's a genuine question... I see nothing that Apple has done that is genuinely revolutionary ( except successfully marketing it and making it sexy) that has not been done before, or was not obvious.
... Except, Drendar
... that it looks like a slimmer, slightly longer version of an iphone 4
Car Analogies?
Car analogies don't work unless your talking about two cars that look similar from different manufacturers "and" the insides are the same (seats, position and shape of all the buttons, location of badging...)
I have a 97 saab 9000 aero (best car I ever had... helps it has 4 doors and a trunk so I could squeeze it by the wifes very strict set of rules about our family car)
It is a shared platform car with Fiat... (ala wiki - Saab designed the 9000 as part of the Type Four platform in conjunction with the Italian automaker Fiat Automobiles. Fiat retailed similar derivative versions as the more basic Fiat Croma, the luxury-themed Lancia Thema, and the sports-oriented Alfa Romeo 164)
If I were to hop into a Lancia and the seats were the same... buttons were the same... engine was the same... suspension was the same... feel was the same... location of everything was as identical that they could get... I would assume SAAB would have taken exception to the partnership with Fiat.
Its the reverse of what everyone argues...
How a phone looks matters sure... but its the experiance and workability of android vs ios that is the main issue... not the rectangle with rounded corners crap that people seem to pick as the lowest common denominator...
Car manufacturers share parts and platforms to reduce cost but put alot of effort into making it unique on the inside and under the hood where it matters... where this whole phone thing is more about co*ck blocking each other WITH WHATEVER PATENTS THEY CAN to prevent other companies from aping each other to the point that the experiance is so similar as to eliminate that differentiation.
Sure cars may look the same... but none of them "Feel" the same... if that was the case I'm sure things in the auto industry would be different.
As for android vs iOS - I've had and am on my forth android phone... (G1 - Wouldn't stay connected to the data network - HTC Magic+ -Small and underpowered... even after bothering to root it and put a cut down rom on... but serviceable till it got run over by a car - Acer Liquid MT - great little phone with a nice screen but the only rom I liked with it was MIUI (which incidentally while being one of the most popular mods... is a complete iOS clone and sadly due to the fragmentation of internals.. never did get DATA to work so went back to a stripped acer factory rom) and now on a Samsung Galaxy Note... Nice phone... I'm sick of rooting and rom-ing though... and luckily even though its quirky as hell... it still seems a fairly decent piece of kit if a bit on the too large size) prior to those I had a Samsung Blackjack 2 (nice phone... too bad it was a piece of junk due to audio issues) and a little Win6.1 phone I can't remeber the name of but worked a treat till the battery died)
The battle is about user experiance... (this is why companies force their touchwiz, HTC Sense and crap down peoples throats... without that... it's just an android phone with someone elses' badge on it. *shrug*
I'm sure I'm missing lots of things but eh... I'm working on a sunday... and frankly can't be bothered to think to hard.
Re: Car Analogies?
But that's the thing...
Android; naked, with TouchWiz, Sense or anything else I've used 'feels' nothing like iOS!!
Some are inferior, some superior, apart from the fact that iOS's 'homescreens' have grids of icons, and so does Android's app drawer, where's the similarity?
iThings have only one button (+power) Androids have 3 or 4. Android had the notification pull down which was unique until Apple copied it. Android has widgets, iOS doesn't (it probably will soon, and google probably won't do anything about Apple copying that either, because there is a ton of prior art.
In fact I really struggle to find /anything/ that Samsung has actually copied from Apple, that wasn't already a feature from somewhere else.
So again, the very genuine question is: What unique feature has Samsung actually copied from Apple?
There's no hope for the izombies
Apple may as well not bother next time round and just release a monochrome screened, camera-less handset like the 6210, as long as it has the branding "iphone 6", it'll fly off the shelves :D
lol i just hate every IT company equally.
after 30 years in IT i just want to be a road sweeper with a nokia thats used as a phone and have no technology in my home due to all this fighting about stuff people like me and you other older users invented in the first place.
worst thing that happens in any country is that good IT people suddenly become managers and owners taking away the things we all invented by rewriting code and pulling in a patent.
worst idea of my life was thinking portable computing was the way to go
Re: lol i just hate every IT company equally.
Welcome to the club - wish I can just quit IT totally.
But I can't - it's my bread and butter.
Getting my jacket as I'm outta here.
Appletards
Sounds like a nom nom nom recipe, anybody got the recipe details?
It'll probably involve some Sauce of Samsung and so on ...
What will happen should Samsung be banned from doing sales in the US of A?
Supposedly Samsung is banned from doing business in the US of A?
What will happen then?
Interesting Times springs to mind.
Re: What will happen should Samsung be banned from doing sales in the US of A?
more stock to the rest of us living in more rational thinking countries?
I imagine other companies would sit up and take notice if samsung were banned from selling in the US.
Re: What will happen should Samsung be banned from doing sales in the US of A?
That's easy, Black Markets.
Re: What will happen should Samsung be banned from doing sales in the US of A?
Banned? At this rate they may simply *elect* to stop doing business in the USA, to avoid the recurring legal costs.
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