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Two aging Windows operating systems slipped a ranking each in the market share race this August, with Windows 7 overtaking Windows XP as the world's most popular desktop operating system, and Apple's OS X overtaking the late, lamented Windows Vista. This news comes to us from Net Applications' monthly Net Market Share survey, …

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    1. Will Godfrey Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Windows 98

      At work, we run an instance of wine with the win98 configuration (it's not emulation) simply because some PLC software we still occasionally have to use never got developed any further.

      1. James 47

        Re: Windows 98

        Have you ever tried to run it under the Windows Compatibility feature? I've had apps that were written for Win95 work on Win 7. It's pretty impressive from MS, to be fair.

    2. Richard Boyce
      Unhappy

      re: Windows 98

      Given the lack of security patches, my guess is that there is more than one person running your stepfather's machine.

    3. Steven Roper

      Re: Windows 98

      My friend also runs Windows 98 on his internet/email machine at home. He maintains it does everything he wants. What's interesting is, as somebody mentioned above about there being no security patches for it - well, according to my friend, there's none needed.

      My friend hasn't had malware on that machine in years, and he's been to some damned dodgy sites on it. Most, if not all, malware these days relies on the NT kernel (i.e. Win NT, 2K, XP, Vista and 7) to do its evil business.

      Which Windows 98 does not have.

      Which means modern malware won't work on it. And so few people still use it that it's not worth the effort of the malware crooks to support it. My friend maintains that running Windows 98, a long-obsolete system almost no-one uses any more, has become more secure than running an NT-based machine with an antivirus. He has an old antivirus anyway, just in case there's a bit of Nimda or Melissa still floating around, but I haven't seen that machine catch anything since Geocities was big business!

      Of course, there's still the many other security holes that might allow an attacker to get remote control of his machine, but they'd have to be running some pretty antiquated shit themselves to do it!

      1. Dave 15

        Re: Windows 98

        Bet win98 is also a damned site faster....

        Perhaps I should 'down grade' my machine an benefit from the improved virus protection (no one can be bothered) and the superior speed (would be interesting to see just how fast it romps along on a modern machine with all its ram and processor speed.... could be pretty impressive. I remember booting up my old 286 - complete with turbo button, typing win at the command prompt, getting windows 3 and then word up before my pentium xxxxxxx thingy running the then latest version of windows was fit to do anything).

        1. Wize

          Re: Windows 98

          Some of this you just cant emulate. We have a few custom network cards (not your usual ethernet) needed to talk to the ageing PLC network. With an emulator you can't get on that network as they only made these things with ISA bus cards.

          Ideal solution would be to get the system upgraded. But as long as it still works, they don't want to touch it.

          Trouble is, the thing will fall over with no available replacement parts, then they will want their upgrade in the next 3 day.

          Customers? Pah.

  1. RonWheeler

    Percentages - who cares?

    Who gives a wotsit. Is the OS you have the best one for the job?. Tech sites are obsessed by this bizarre numbers game. There are fewer SDS drills than cheapo hammer drills in the country - doesn't mean they're less good for the job.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Percentages - who cares?

      Hmm, considering voting you up for the analogy but down for "...less good..."; Point well made verses pedantry, I'll think about it.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Percentages - who cares?

      The people who use operating systems that fall low on the list, apparently, and who display bitterness at the unfairness and stupidity of others.

    3. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: Percentages - who cares?

      By your own logic, the verdict of the market is that some flavour of Windows is the best OS for the job in 90% of cases. I'd say that counts as "news" for a tech site.

      1. KroSha

        @Ken, Re: Percentages - who cares?

        By your own logic, the verdict of the accountancy dept is that some flavour of Windows is the most cost effective OS for the job in 90% of cases. I'd say that counts as "news" for a tech site.

        FTFY

  2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

    Who's the sad sack still stuck on Windows ME? I still remember when my Dad got that. I spent a lot of my visits home fixing that machine. I still can't decide whether I hated Win95 more... But that's probably because I fixed it more often. I only knew one person with ME.

    1. KroSha
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      I also danced a little dance when my parents replaced the ME box with Win7.

  3. Glyph

    browsing machine

    These stats are based on browsing statistics. That makes me wonder how much browsing is done from mobile devices now. To have these numbers it would seem they must also have iOS and android numbers.

  4. Peter Snow
    Megaphone

    You don't know what you're missing!

    98.9% of computer users don't know what they're missing!

    A Linux user.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: You don't know what you're missing!

      Oh, trust me... I know

      Thanks anyways

      A Windows user.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Windows

    A tad obvious, still...

    For the obvious part; it should be obvious. XP isn't being sold, Win7 on the other hand still is so it was only a matter of time before one would overtake the other.

    Still, I think its well deserved and to me (for whatever that's worth) it shows that the market isn't stupid. When I bought my current desktop PC it came with Vista (Home-Premium) pre-installed. At first I used this for a games machine, after I got my PS3 I used it for dedicated 'Windows stuff'. Even later I actually started using it for my common desktop and for my hobby (synthesizer / DAW usage & synthesis study in general).

    Fun part is that only /after/ I upgraded to Windows 7 professional I finally realized the major differences between Vista & 7. No kidding; on some aspects (multimedia for example) these are huge.

    Quick example: I have my DAW ('sound software') setup to generate some percussion using samples, a bass line using a (software) synthesizer and some lead sounds using a so called "VST" (software synthesizer but this time a plugin, so 3rd party stuff). I also applied some sound effects to all three tracks. On tops all tracks some together on the 'master' where I applied a 'Compressor' sound effect to keep the overall volume a bit in check (meaning: making sure that I don't have too big extremes in volume).

    Vista CPU load, with all my hardware attached (controllers, keyboard, USB soundcard): 70 - 90%.

    Win7 CPU load (same as above): 10 - 20%.

    When I was still using Vista I didn't consider upgrading, but after I had I was actually glad I did.

  6. MacroRodent
    Linux

    Linux' showing

    The one percent of Linux is actually amazingly good for an OS that is almost never pre-installed and so requires some positive action for the users to start using.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      Re: Linux' showing

      I agree >1% is a bewilderingly massive amount of people who have installed another operating system, or rather gone out of their way to NOT use Windows! Especially considering so many businesses have locked themselves into the proprietary Microsoft systems. It is getting much easier to break away from the lock-in now.

  7. shaolin cookie
    Meh

    "seven years worth of operating systems"

    If you sum those up, 10.[6-8] comes up to 6.24%, which would be more than Vista. So it's really only 3 years, no?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Statistics and Lies

    These figures do need to be taken with a hefty pinch of salt.

    Many of the more enlightened web users who frequent the tech forums block all manner of hit counters and ad sites. How many Reg Readers use Firefox with NoScript and Adblock-Plus. come on hands up....

    I block all these sites. The onlt time I ever see any adverts is on my totally locked down (can't even adjust the screen resolution) windows 7 laptop. Thankfully they installed VMWare so all my browsing is done via a VM (Linux) that is totally under my control

    anon just because I don't want to give our corporate IT droids any ideas about locknig the laptops down even further.

  9. Eponymous Cowherd
    Joke

    Windows 7 passes XP

    OSX passes Vista

    Windows 8 passes water.......?

  10. jai
    Linux

    1.1%

    Year of the Linux!! woohoo get in!!!

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  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Where is Haiku on that list?

    - lonely Haiku user.

  13. CmdrX3

    Only if you combine them all

    So really you need to combine EVERY SINGLE version of OSX to surpass what is one of Microsoft's least popular OS's. However as Apple insist each new version is a new OS then it must be treated in the same way as Windows different versions, and in that case it's still firmly planted in fourth place.

  14. Troy Wilson
    Happy

    Mac OS-X passes Vista

    Windows 3.11 passes Windows Vista

  15. Thorfkin

    Vista

    I've always wondered what it is that turns previously intelligent individuals into raving copy-bots once they're employed in the field of IT journalism. If only I had a dollar for every incidence of some oblivious journalist claiming Windows Vista is a disaster I could buy Kim .com's house. At this point, Windows Vista is actually better than Windows 7. On a clean install, Vista with service pack 2 is faster and takes a lot less interface customization to make it work well than Windows 7 does. I've got both Windows 7 Ultimate and Windows Vista Ultimate here in my house and I keep Vista on my personal machine because I actually like it. If you genuinely do prefer Windows 7's interface then power to you. I personally hate it. Please stop repeating that baseless claim that 7 is better than Vista. They're virtually identical under the hood with 7 having slightly poorer Superfetch optimization. Microsoft tried to shorten the boot up time with Windows 7, by reducing the effectiveness of the Superfetch service, in response to user complaints over Vista's perceived boot time.

  16. SkyFlyer

    Torvalds famously described as "a piece of crap."

    Look whose laughing now, that piece of crap is now much more "popular" that Linux. I would suggest that most people who are using OSX are doing so by choice, ie. they chose to use it by paying with their own money for a Mac, as opposed to many of the XP/7 clan who use it because a)It was pre-installed or b)My work uses it or c)Everything else must suck, or the Linux ABM'ers.

  17. HairyFool
    Terminator

    Methedology?

    The article admits there are gaps in the statistics due to the metoedology of basing it in the OS of systems accessing the internet but what about those that do not use the web at all.

    From those that sit on a desk in a small non internet based business used only for WP to those companies who restrict which employees have access to the internet as a timewaster there is going to be a considerable count worldwide. As these are probably going to be predominantly older OS's I think that XP has a long way to go before it loses its crown especially as the differential is so small.

    Add to that all those systems using one of the flavours of Windows as Embedded controlling various dedicated machines and systems which are not in the market of regular upgrades because they are designed to be a particular job.

    Win8 is a major change to the OS is used day to day even if you think that change is acceptable. I am still getting used to it but such annoying things keep coming up from how to get the Run box to shutting down. The music tile opening XBox Live, why? I have 18000 tracks so why is the 1st thing I am going to do is buy more? Most of the "apps" I use promptly drop back to the desktop so I might as well stay there

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