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Hollywood actor Bruce Willis could reportedly take Apple to court over a massive digital music library that he wants to pass on to his kids when he dies. The Die Hard and Armageddon star wants his daughters Rumer, Scout and Tallulah to "own" the digital music he painstakingly downloaded from iTunes, but the current terms of …

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          1. Frank Bough

            Re: Apple Schmapple

            1. Buy CD

            2. Rip to Apple Lossless in iTunes

            3. There is no step three, my iPhone automatically syncs every time I drop it on a charger over wi-fi.

        1. Mike Flugennock

          Re: Apple Schmapple

          Well, part of me wants to downvote that post, except I'm also one of those old-skool geezers who still listens to whole albums from start to finish, especially stuff like Quadrophenia or The Wall, which really were designed to be taken in in one sitting, like an opera or a film; the individual songs stand well on their own, but they're still best enjoyed in context.

          On the other hand, though, since I first got hold of iTunes and started ripping my album and live bootleg collections about six or seven years ago, I got to be a real "playlist" kind of guy, as I'm just old enough to have gotten in on the tail end of the "mixtape" era. In fact, a lot of the playlists I build in iTunes are done with the same approach I took toward mixtapes twenty years ago, except now with an eye (and an ear) toward "mixes" that fit within the 75-80 minute constraints of a CD.

    1. Fihart

      Re: Apple Schmapple

      Itunes is a mess because it's designed to stop you sharing music files -- presumably the price Apple paid for getting the record companies on board the iTunes site.

      Far simpler to use a player which supports drag and drop and rip your own CDs (between 50p and £3 in flea markets, charity shops).

      1. Franklin

        Re: Apple Schmapple

        "Itunes is a mess because it's designed to stop you sharing music files -- presumably the price Apple paid for getting the record companies on board the iTunes site."

        Huh?

        I've always been a bit baffled about why folks find iTunes so hard to use. I've found it quite easy:

        Launch iTunes.

        Click on your folder chock full o' MP3 goodness.

        Hold down the mouse button and drag your MP3 folder into the iTunes window, where they'll all be imported into iTunes. You can, if you like, tell iTunes to leave the MP3 files where they are, or have it make copies of them and stash the copies in its own library. Your choice.

        Click Sync.

        Sit back and sip tea while your MP3 files zip over the USB cable onto your iPod.

        It doesn't stop you from sharing them; they're still there, sitting on your hard drive, ready to be shared any way you like. It doesn't prevent you from using them with other devices. I'm flummoxed; what is it that makes iTunes so difficult?

        1. Peter Johnstone

          Re: Apple Schmapple

          It's even easier than that, you can just drag the CD onto the iPod icon in iTunes and it will rip the CD straight onto your iPod. No need to create playlists or import to iTunes first.

          1. Lallabalalla
            Thumb Up

            Re: Apple Schmapple - Peter Johnstone

            Great tip, must try that :)

            Though I'd want a copy on the HDD anyway... in case I wanted to share it....

        2. Fihart

          Re: Apple Schmapple

          Itunes is probably okay if you use it fairly often, and more so if you are a Mac user. Personally, I have a Windows mindset and find the minimalism just too inscrutable. Though I have an iPod I seldom use it, preferring a newer Sony player which can be loaded without any special software on the computer.

    2. EvilGav 1

      Re: Apple Schmapple

      To all the haters because the OP mentioned he works in IT.

      I too work in the industry, as a programmer and occasionally as an analyst, having had the misfortune to use iTunes on occasion I can understand the frustration - I found it to be an annoying incomprehensible pile of crap, that refused to let go control. To be honest, I can say much the same about Windows Media Player as well, although that doesn't try quite so hard to force me to use it's ecosystem.

      Working in IT, I also have many friends who work in the industry, some of whom are Apple afficianados, some aren't. More than one have at times complained about iTunes and their Apple kit, most noticably the horrendous time it takes to sync your collection to the cloud (several days, according to the few people I know who've tried it with large collections).

      What Apple got right, was the UI on the iPod - beyond that I cant give them any credit, since the software required on your PC is attrocious.

      1. joejack
        Meh

        Re: Apple Schmapple

        "What Apple got right, was the UI on the iPod - beyond that I cant give them any credit, since the software required on your PC is attrocious."

        Mostly. But fails at the same thing iTunes does: inability to browse by folder/filename. Every 3rd party mp3 player or droid app I've had gets that part right.

        1. Frank Bough

          Re: Apple Schmapple

          Yeah, why use metadata when you can just ignore it altogether?

          1. Mr_Bungle
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            Re: Apple Schmapple

            Rambling Apple nerd. Why use just one post when you can make 3!

      2. Frank Bough

        Re: Apple Schmapple

        iTunes organises music like this: artist/album/song. If you can't deal with this I'd suggest you have a learning disability. ID3 is metadata. The iTunes app uses this metadata to allow more sophisticated organisation of your media files. It's less complex in use than a basic email client, why do people have problems with it?

      3. Snafu 2

        Re: Apple Schmapple

        "What Apple got right, was the UI on the iPod - beyond that I cant give them any credit, since the software required on your PC is attrocious."

        To be fair, a PC is/was designed to do a lot of things, sometimes simultaneously. An Ipod is/was designed to do only 1 thing: play media. Obviously the UI (& underlying OS) will have some differences

        I don't disagree with your general point though: Itunes is terrible in UI, OS interface & general usability for those not using it on a mobile device (ie synching it with a server or similar). I hope it dies an ugly but quick death (painful would be an add-on option, payable for $ at your locall Appstore(TM))

      4. MrZoolook
        Paris Hilton

        Re: Apple Schmapple

        Quote: What Apple got right, was the UI on the iPod - beyond that I cant give them any credit, since the software required on your PC is attrocious.

        Fixed: What Apple got right, was the UI on the iPod - beyond that I can't give them any credit, since they stole all the other design specs from other developers.

        Paris because, she's compatible with most hardware and software!

      5. Steve I
        Facepalm

        Re: Apple Schmapple

        "To all the haters because the OP mentioned he works in IT."

        No hate - just taking the piss. IT literate but cannot sync iPod via iTunes? What about all these people who want to manually sync? WTF would you want to do that? Set up some smart playlists - 'anything added recently', 'my 5* tracks', 'stuff I've not heard for a while' - set some sensible limits - 1Gb of this, 5Gb of that - and you're sorted. You only need to do this once, then with wi-fi sync you usually don't need to touch it on a daily basis, yet still have new stuff to listen to every day.

        I drag mp3/mp4 files onto the iTunes icon and next thing I know they're on my iPod/iPhone. And as for manually putting them into artist/album folders - why would I want to do that when iTunes does it for me?

        Sounds like the guy a few weeks ago who claimed that despite *..building his own PCs and coding a few websites", even he couldn't get a job in IT. It's like complaining you can't get a job as an F1 driver despite having owned 2 cars and every copy of Gran Turismo.

    3. DF118

      Re: Apple Schmapple

      Sharepod - tiny executable, portable. Never touch iTunes again.

      Or, as has already been suggested, Rockbox. If you really wanna geek out/feel superior. Mind you, the geeking out part is debatable these days since they moved to a pretty much one-click installer.

    4. gujiguju

      Re: Apple Schmapple

      If you had one more year of "working in IT", you would have known to look inside this top-secret, hidden dialog box in iTunes called "Preferences" or "Options."

      Inside, you will see two confusing (almost invisible) checkboxes:

      o Manage music files manually

      o Sync over WIFI

      I'll let you figure out how those cryptic settings will work. (Your decade of "working in IT" should serve you well here...finally.)

      And don't tell anyone about these iTunes settings. Very hush hush.

      As to Bruce Willis' "issue", all his mp4/AAC files are DRM-free. I'm certain his lawyer didn't point that out before asking for his retainer-fee payment.

      1. Lallabalalla
        Stop

        Re: Apple Schmapple - gujiguju

        FFS don't tell him about "Keep iTunes Media Folder Organised" or "Copy files to iTunes Media folder when adding to library".

        His brain will exoplode. Messy.

    5. Mark .

      Re: Apple Schmapple

      It's also a pain to play files on another computer - even if you're willing to install Itunes, it's unclear whether doing so will "sync" with the new computer, which you don't want to happen. I've asked Apple users this, and they don't know the answer. So you're left with looking at the files directly, but they're all scrambled by Apple. Hopeless! It was quicker to simply download the files illegal!

      On my Sansa, it just mounts as an external drive, the files are unscrambled, and it Just Works.

    6. Eguro

      Re: Apple Schmapple

      When I first got an Ipod - '06 I believe - I fiddled with Itunes for a bit. It was, at that time at least, very eager to convert all my music to a new format and put it on the Ipod.

      It was also being generally annoying - again at the time - wanting to start @ boot and all sorts of stuff that I could not agree to.

      2 after acquiring my Ipod, I found that Winamp had decent functionality for throwing Mp3s on my Ipod, and I've never looked back (technically, I've just looked back, but you know)

      DISCLAIMER: My Ipod is old. This might not work with newer models, and also Itunes might not be horrifyingly annoying any more

    7. Lallabalalla
      FAIL

      Re: Apple Schmapple

      you don't happen to work for BT Broadband, do you?

    8. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Apple Schmapple

      Just get a SANSA Clip (at a fraction of the price) and its as easy as drag+drop files. And then with the money you've saved you can go and buy something else worthwhile.

  1. FartingHippo
    Megaphone

    Is that the sound....

    ....of a million pennies dropping all at once?

    "What do you mean it's not my music?"

    1. Psyx
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      Re: Is that the sound....

      Hopefully Brucey's point will get some media attention, and people might start thinking about these things.

    2. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: Is that the sound....

      No. I don't think it is.

      For millions of normal folk, Apple will *not* be checking the death registration records in every jurisdiction and pre-emptively disabling those accounts. Therefore, as long as you leave your account name and password to your chosen inheritor, the whole thing will carry on working.

      Besides, what child actually wants to be able to listen to their parents' music collection?

      1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

        Re: Is that the sound....

        Also, by the time that most of us die, our music collections will be out of copyright.

        1. dotdavid
          Facepalm

          Re: Is that the sound....

          "Also, by the time that most of us die, our music collections will be out of copyright."

          Oh the naivity ;-)

          They'll just change the law so copyright is death-of-the-artist + 1000 years or something.

          1. Gordon 11

            Re: Is that the sound....

            They'll just change the law so copyright is death-of-the-artist + 1000 years or something.

            Perhaps they'll do the same thing for the iTunes account, then. So as to be fair.

            Oh, wait - what does fairness have to do with Apple?

        2. Naughtyhorse

          Re: Is that the sound....

          Also, by the time that most of us die, our music collections will be out of copyright.

          but by then someone <cough crapple cough> will have prolly patented out of copyright music.

          and the uspto will let them

        3. Psyx
          Stop

          Re: Is that the sound....

          "Also, by the time that most of us die, our music collections will be out of copyright."

          And you think that'll stop Apple suing?

          Sod suing: By that time they'll have a white-attired kill-team they can legally send knocking.

      2. dogged
        Stop

        Re: Is that the sound....

        Besides, what child actually wants to be able to listen to their parents' music collection?

        My old man left his awesome Motown/Northern Soul collection. Just because YOUR parents have shit taste..

        1. bonkers
          Headmaster

          Re: Is that the sound....

          totally agree, I've got a pile of original stones and beatles, some are even in mono.

          should the other parents be having "shit taste" or "shite taste"?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Inherited Music

            Spot on. My kids have already fought over my unplayed copy of Sgt Pepper (Mono). I got two copies for my Birthday. I only ever played the Stereo version coz it's better innit...

            I also have a bunch of signed Album covers from between 1967 & 1975. They are worth quite a bit.

            That is a proper musical inheritance. None of thie compressed MP3 rubbish.

            1. Frank Bough

              Re: Inherited Music

              Mono vinyl "better" than MP3? Demonstrably untrue.

          2. hplasm
            Headmaster

            Re:Re: Is that the sound....

            It depends whether the music they listen(ed) to is shit or shite.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Is that the sound....

          "My old man left his awesome Motown/Northern Soul collection" ... to BitTorrent

          Problem solved

      3. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge

        Re: Is that the sound....

        "Besides, what child actually wants to be able to listen to their parents' music collection?"

        It is all a matter of indoctrination: I've got my kids headbanging to "Smoke on the Water", so now they are looking up other Deep Purple stuff on the web.

        1. Psyx
          Alert

          Re: Is that the sound....

          "It is all a matter of indoctrination: I've got my kids headbanging to "Smoke on the Water", so now they are looking up other Deep Purple stuff on the web."

          Uh-huh. Suuuuuure.

          You realise that when they say they're looking at some Deep Purple, that's their code for porn, right?

      4. Shaun 1

        Re: Is that the sound....

        "what child actually wants to be able to listen to their parents' music collection?"

        I have a very similar taste in music to my parents, so Me

      5. Mike Flugennock

        Re: Is that the sound....

        Besides, what child actually wants to be able to listen to their parents' music collection?

        Well, normally I'm into '60s and '70s psyche/prog/hard rock, but there are a bunch of old Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck and Wes Montgomery LPs in my late father's collection which are still in good shape and which I'd love to rip if only I had the time and resources.

      6. Peter Johnstone

        Re: Is that the sound....

        "Besides, what child actually wants to be able to listen to their parents' music collection?"

        My 5 year old daughter and 7 year old son were singing along to Let's Lynch the Landlord (Dead Kennedys) the other day in the car and both asked to hear "All the small things (Blink 182)".

        My elder son (19) and I listen to each others music all the time, I've introduced him to Rush, Led Zeppelin and Helloween. He's got me listening to Lucca Turilli and Nightwish.

        Maybe I'm just cooler than her average dad :-)

    3. Annihilator
      Happy

      Re: Is that the sound....

      "What do you mean it's not my music?"

      Simple, just explain to Apple that the money you spent on it was never their's, you were just licensing the money to them.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This is exactly why...

    ..I don't want software/music/video as a service or hosted, or cloud or whateverthebloodyhellitisthisweek.

    they know you are f**ked when it comes to the 2nd hand market and if you wan't it, you'll just have to pay all over again...

    1. ElNumbre
      Big Brother

      Re: This is exactly why...

      And its exactly why I rent from Spotify. At least they're upfront about it being a rental rather than a purchase service. For instance, would I rather spend a couple of pence in rental fee's (the £10 subby charge divided by the hundreds of songs I listen to every month) or the 79p or whatever the charge is to licence a single track in perpituity*. Especially if its a top 40 hit that will be forgotten in two months anyway, I'll take the short term rental option, thankyou very much.

      And if one of the more modern artists comes up with something historic, then I will consider buying a DRM-free digital download. Whilst the licence may be revocable in some future time, the chances are that "the man" won't be able to do anything about the file because it will have been illegally copied onto multiple devices for my listening pleasure.

      *In perpituity (until we fall out with the artists and decide to delete the track from existance).

  3. Select * From Handle
    Trollface

    That moment when....

    You find out that iTunes has you by the balls and is a money printing machine.

    GL Mr Willis...

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Pirate

    Just rip e'm to MP3's, that's what I do with all my iTunes stuff...

    I had my fingers burned when Virgin Digital closed down, now I always make sure I have a portable "backup".

    1. Silverburn

      Why bother? It's all DRM free these days anyway.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Coat

        I Guess...

        Old Habits, err, Die Hard...

    2. Silverburn
      Thumb Up

      No need to rip - it's all DRM-free these days. Just stick on some external media as planned, and you're away.

  5. Neil Bradley

    I imagine it would be the record labels that would need to agree to lifting this 'restriction' on purchased music in order for Apple to make it an option for customers to transfer ownership.

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