Now Apple wants Samsung S III, Galaxy Notes off the shelves too
Apple has now claimed Samsung's flagship gadgets the Galaxy S III and the Galaxy Note infringe its mobile phone patents in a SECOND lawsuit in the US. In separate legal action running in parallel to the epic trial that concluded last month, the iPhone maker has now listed 21 Sammy phones and tablets as devices that allegedly …
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Re: You are kidding right? Or maybe you meant to use the joke icon?
@NPCO543
"- iOS lacked multitasking until version 4" - Okay, that was a major grumble until Apple realised that closing down apps on exit wasn't a good idea. No phone OS has native multitasking. "
You are talking nonsense. Symbian has full pre-emptive multitasking - is did its predecessor Psion's EPOC which was happily multitasking (and multi-threading) away in your palm back in 1987 when Apple had only just released primitive co-operative task switching on its desktop OS! Even then it was a kludge - multitasking wasn't fully implemented until System 8 in 1997!
Re: You are kidding right? Or maybe you meant to use the joke icon?
@the-it-slayer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
Re: You are kidding right? Or maybe you meant to use the joke icon?
The Palm Pre had multi-tasking and copy and paste (which iPhone/Pod/Pad didn't have as do all versions of Android.
Re: You are kidding right? Or maybe you meant to use the joke icon?
Palm Pre and the iOS tablet had NFC before anyone.
Re: You are kidding right? Or maybe you meant to use the joke icon?
Not if the device is already bricked or maybe you missed the point of the statement? The ability to have mulitple cards in the event that you have a large music/photo/video collection? Consumer choice and convenience? Though the latter points aren't particularly applicable to Apple...
Ultimately Apple win (sales) on the grounds that they sell on consumer ignorance and fashion, that's no different to most successful companies - shame on the ignorant consumer I suppose but the Reg isn't really a playing ground for the majority in that respect ;)
I can't be the only one who, by this stage, is thinking 'oh just fuck off, Apple'.
Well based on previous statements at least one judge is also thinking that.
Bit late
They'll probably be told off for being too late, should have mentioned it before, etc etc, then still get awarded several more squillions by California's fundamentally biased legal system. I really don't see such a great difference between all this and Israel's convenient decision that Rachel Corrie wasn't murdered by them - except that no-one can bring Rachel back, whereas the sane world could make some redress if need be.
Apply this logic to cars
If we apply Apple's logic to cars then everyone owes Mercedes Benz a lot of money for building motor cars with four wheels, a steering wheel, seats, an engine etc.
Re: Apply this logic to cars
Here we go again. Those ideas were all patented and are now public domain. Samsung can either wait for that to happen for Apple's patents or engineer their way around them like Google are. Are you trying to say that Samsung employs a bunch of incompetents who are unable to do this?
Re: Apply this logic to cars
"engineer their way around them like Google are"
Funny thing about that, Apple's suit was predicated upon Samsung using Google's OS, which steals patented innovative certainly-never-seen-before Apple features like "icons arranged in rows as opposed to a haphazard overlapping rabble".
Re: Apply this logic to cars
There you go. See what happened there? All those thumbs down for stating actual facts.
Please refrain from this as It's not what the rabid hysterical foaming at the mouth brigade want to read.
Re: Apply this logic to cars
@ Scarshapedstar
Not quite right. Samsung Touch-Wiz is violating the design patents by looking like iOS, not stock android.
Mind you, if they were that bloody similar looking - why did it take me a couple of minutes to find the settings icon, and navigate to the correct menu when I first used an iPhone. Surely if they were similar enough to create confusion, I would have been able to do it instantly. Glad I live in the UK, where our court told Apple to stop messing about.
Re: Apply this logic to cars
Are you willing to wait ~20 years to compete for every patent? and what do you do with kids who made stuff and have no clue about patent law, all these laws are just to benefit lawyers at the end of the day, doesn't really promote improvement and research, good competition is the best way to improve evolution of anything.
Re: Apply this logic to cars
Except that in the US patent can be renewed and practically never become public domain. The US patent system is not designed to protect ideas, it's designed or has been hijacked as a tool to beat down the competition.
Re: Apply this logic to cars
ANY modern car pays price tag contains significant amount of IPR royalties either direct or indirect (through royalties on component pricing).
The difference there is that an engineer which has designed something _WITHPOUT_ doing FTO (freedom to operate) and PLA (patent landscape analysis) first is walked off the premises by security straight away with his belongings in a bag.
Re: Apply this logic to cars
Yes there were lots of patents for cars, with real blue prints and models.
They didn't have Apple style crap patents like...
Padded seats in a mobile device.
@Bugs R Us - who told you that
US patents most certainly CAN'T be renewed. They have a fixed term of 20 or 25 years (depending on the type of patent and when it was registered) and that's it. Many US drugs are out of patent to start with.
@Tom 35
You think cars aren't mobile devices? You also think modern ECU units aren't covered by large numbers of "Method to" patents? That makes them invalid?
Re: Apply this logic to cars
I think you'll find his belongings will be shipped to him later.
Re: Apply this logic to cars
> patented innovative certainly-never-seen-before Apple features like "icons arranged in rows as opposed to a haphazard overlapping rabble"
You mean, like Windows Desktop ?
Re: Apply this logic to cars
Good point.
There is also the much overlooked issue that technology is moving faster now, 10 years would be more sensible period for patents now and even 5 years or less, in some cases.
Anyhow, most of these Apple patents should never have even been issued, the US patent office stop being lazy, do its job and search Prior Art, just like they should look for similar patents before approving any new patents.
Re: Apply this logic to cars
@soldinio
"Not quite right. Samsung Touch-Wiz is violating the design patents by looking like iOS, not stock android."
I dunno, when you look at Apple's complaints - 4x4 grid, squarish icons, tray at the bottom - they apply equally to stock Android. They're still baseless, mind you, because only grannies and promotional materials use such an uncustomized and widget-free setup...
Re: "Except that in the US patent can be renewed"
No but you can put the same shit in a new patent and it will get passed on payment thank you very much.
And if you choose the right judge you can have that confirmed in court too.
Re: Apply this logic to cars
"Re: Apply this logic to cars
Here we go again. Those ideas were all patented and are now public domain"
But they weren't when cars were first being made genius - there would have been only one manufacturer of cars ever if Apple logic is applied.
Also as all current cars are based on designs from back then, they'd all be liable.
Move along fanboi...
Re: Apply this logic to cars no... no... apply it to...
Hair dryers
Toothbrushes
Candleholders
Haier, panasonic, fujitsu, samsung, lg, and other standup air con units
Asian style washer and dryer combo units
Security video panels by the door
Nonspill coffee mugs
Electric tooth brushes
?.... Okay, downthumber, do you get it? Apple mostly cobbled together a lot of tech and stylized some nice things. But, they are reaching too far. If they are not curtailed, where will it end, when there are no more mobile phone makers and no more android? Maybe Samsung or others should patent the Star Trek comm badge despite the non patentability, just to lock apple out.
@Tom 7 - my, the stupid was high in that post
You don't just hand the patent office a filled in form that they rubber stamp. The FIRST thing they do is search the patent database to see if the same claims have already been filed. Re-filing your own expired patent would be both stupid beyond imagining and liable to get you arrested for perjury
@Chet Mannly
Genius? That obviously is a statement that can't be applied to you.
1) you can engineer your way around pretty well any patent. It requires though and innovation but it can be done.
2) patents expire after a limited time. Even if Benz held all the patents for cars the best he would have had was a 25 year head start on the market. As it was he charged a fairly hefty fee to other manufacturers to use his patents (and yes, Benz DID have patents on his car) and the motor industry seems pretty competitive today (even though there is lots of patented technology in almost any car you care to mention).
>Apple's second suit could give Samsung a very unhappy Christmas
Likely the case, though Samsung can take some comfort watching Sharp go to the wall as they try to pick up the baton on Retina Displays......there but for the grace of Jobs....
Apple might have handed Xmas to Samsung early
If Sammy get going now with a 'Buy one before it's banned' campaign then apple might just find that they're not selling ithings because everyone bought an S3 early. Think about how many banned singles used to get to #1 in the charts.
After all, apple's noisesome tactics are usually a great indicator of what you should consider buying, they've given Sammy so much free marketing already.
Re: Apple might have handed Xmas to Samsung early
'Buy one before it's banned'
Wonder if Apple would then go after the buyers for using its patented technology illegally? On the other hand, even if they theoretically could, that would be so monumentally bad PR that it might give even Apple lawyers a pause.
Re: Apple might have handed Xmas to Samsung early
Well Apple, with no legal grounds, already contacted all the retailers and networks telling them to take the other Samsung models of the shelves due to a temporary injunction, so it wouldn't surprise me.
Why would Apple need to work within the law when they can easily just work outside it?
Re: Apple might have handed Xmas to Samsung early
The next step from Apple will be to try to legistate to get all Samsung products blocked by the telco's
Re: Apple might have handed Xmas to Samsung early
Maybe they could just redefine 'Christmas'
Priest: Our saviour Steve, who died for our sins, and his Living Disciple Tim who both did verily beget all things inventionable upon the face of the World... Let him who denieth the innovation be put to the Holy Sword of Apple and not be suffered to pursue business further. So let it be written, so let it be done.
Congregation: Amen Apple
And so forth
Re: Apple might have handed Xmas to Samsung early
"If Sammy get going now with a 'Buy one before it's banned' campaign "
Surely that would be an admission of guilt!
Re: Apple might have handed Xmas to Samsung early
"'Buy one before it's banned' campaign"
Or do what Samsung did in Australia - release a version tweaked to get around the legal ban, then take out full page ads in every newspaper announcing it as "the Tablet Apple didn't want you to see".
I wonder...
I wonder if this drives up demand for the S3? I'd certainly been waiting before upgrading but if there's a chance of it not being available in future I might just decide to buy sooner rather than later.
Incidentally, I thought it seemed like a smart move to release the S3 ahead of the new iPhone to avoid at least some of the cries of "it's an exact copy"
Galaxy Note?
Hang on, that thing's got a 5" screen and a stylus hasn't it? Surely, using Apple's own logic, that makes it hugely innovative and a completely novel and different device?
Next week: Apple patent winning on both the swings and the roundabouts, while eating cake that you still have.
Re: Galaxy Note?
It's a direct copy of the Newton damn it!
Re: Galaxy Note?
"Re: Galaxy Note? It's a direct copy of the Newton damn it!"
Nope, according to the Jury, if it won;t run the same software as the latter model then it cannot be considered prior art.
Re: Galaxy Note?
And if rumourware of 4" Iphones and Ipad Minis turn out to be true, shouldn't the existing producers of those kinds of devices be able to ban Apple devices?
Re: Galaxy Note?
That, and it's an amazing bit of kit, innovative, unique and useful. Sat here looking at mine and my mates 4s and the only bone of contention Apple could ever hold against the Note is that it is superior in every possible way to the iPhone, whilst having not a single iota of similarity between them.
Piss off Apple, you’re like the weedy little spoilt kid from school, always crying to the teachers expecting instant vindication of your actions. Soon no one will like you, and you’ll have no one to cry too.
Re: Galaxy Note?
'cept it makes you look like some comedy character when you use it - unless you are king kong.
Glad you FINALLY got ICS by the way. You will be wanting the new version soon when Samsung drop support for it.
@ AC 15:37GMT Re: Galaxy Note?
http://www.xda-developers.com/
http://innovator.samsungmobile.com/cms/cnts/knowledge.detail.view.do?platformId=1&cntsId=11924&nacode=uk
Game. Set. Match.
Appe is scared
Most of my non-techy iPhone wearing friends have recently turned up with a white Samsung Galaxy SIII. I can understand if apple is very scared!
If you can patent rectagles with round corners I wonder if Samsung has managed to patent phones with screens that are bigger than 4 inches ;-) - Just because of size there is no way you can mistake a new Samsug phone for an iPhone.
Paris - because it is all about size!
Re: Appe is scared
I suspect you might be right.
I've seen a lot of S3's in the wild recently. The iphone has become a bit common. So when someone is sitting on the train with a non-iphone and a screen the size of the S3's, you can't not notice it, and many seem to do just that.
Non techies seem to be turning up with them, including a 22 yo girl I was chatting to the other day (calm down, she was a friend of a friend). She'd had blackberries, iphone and now the S3. She waxed lyrical about it (I think she likes it).
I think I might have to have one myself too... Although being in the UK, where judges have recently shown an unexpected dose of common sense, I don't think there is an immediate rush.
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