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Indonesia’s government has decided to come down hard on internet porn, blocking access to at least one million smutty sites ahead of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan. The vast south-east Asian nation, which has a larger Muslim population than any other at over 200 million, has strict laws relating to “negative content” …

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          1. Matt Bryant Silver badge
            FAIL

            Re: Graham Marsden ... 20120720 12:19.. @J1

            "....Islam starts with the conviction that nothing is worthy of worship, so all the mentioned god's (in the various posts) are rejected. They have qualities unbecoming to god...." So if your "god" is perfect then why isn't the Earth a perfect place too? In fact, why even bother creating an Earth in the first place, if he was so gosh-darn perfect he'd surely have more important things to do? Let's not mention that your Surahs disagree over how many days it took your "god" to create the Earth (Surah 32;4, says they were created in six days, while Surah 41:9, 12 say Allah created them in two) seeing as science has proven that to be a complete load of baloney.

            ".....The only knowledge we have of Him, comes from Him....." Nope, it came from one guy, your "prophet" Mohammed, and your own crowd have been arguing about what "god" supposedly said to him ever since. And then it wasn't even "from god" as it was supposedly related to Mohammed by the angel Gabriel. What, was your all-perfect "god" too busy? That doesn't sound very perfect, a perfect "god" would be able to make the time to do his own cult building.

        1. Nuke
          Headmaster

          Graham Marsden - Re: @J1

          Graham Marsden wrote :- "I, as an atheist, say that you are free to believe whatever you want to, just as everyone else is free to believe what they want."

          That does not follow from atheism as you imply. An atheist believes there is no God. He may or may not insist that others believe like him.

          The novels "Nineteen Eighty Four" and "Brave New World" both describe atheist regimes which did not tolerate any religious beliefs.

          1. Graham Marsden

            @Nuke - Re: Graham Marsden - @J1

            "He may or may not insist that others believe like him."

            I think you missed the point I was making. I was speaking *for myself* as an atheist. I'm not "insisting that others believe like me", nor would I be so arrogant as to think that.

      1. My backside
        Thumb Down

        Re: Out of curiosity ...

        Then how's this, J1? Fuck you and your gods.

        http://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/graphics/icons/comment/thumb_down_32.png

  1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Pint

    > tips from morally offended members

    The "West" had a long way till those arseholes could be put into the corner of retardation and near-irrelevance. Still they are coming, infesting main street and state bureaucracy alike with their noxious busybodyness. Whenever you see them, tase them!

  2. Piloti
    WTF?

    Don't care.

    Leave them to it.

    At some point, they will decide things like sport, CERN, the BBC, music, cats falling off a piano on 'You Tube', the works of Desmond Morris, jelly and pictures of volcanoes are all morally dubious, so in the end, they block so much they'll cut themselves from the world wide web.

    And then it is their loss. So leave them be. Let them be insular narrow minded bigots who want to control every aspect of everybody's life, all the way down to what sort of peccadilloes they should be thinking about, in the sanctity of their own imagination.

    Shameful.

    1. Thecowking

      Re: Don't care.

      Yeah, those fools being born in a country like that!

      We should completely ignore their rights because they chose to be born in an islamic country. Clearly everyone in said country is 100% behind such actions.

      Yup, gotta be the case, right?

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      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Don't care. @ Thecowking

        I think Piloti was referring to :

        A: the Indonesian Gov

        B: The so called moderate population that endorse the Indonesian Gov' by :

        i: voting for them

        ii: ratting on their friends and family.

      4. Aaron Em

        Re: Don't care.

        Sure. Who needs borders and sovereignty when we can just have Quakers rule the world in accordance with the Inner Light?

    2. Matt Bryant Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Don't care.

      Better still, we can outsource our busybodies to them! Who thought the Mary Whitehouse brigade would ever be a viable export?

      1. Aaron Em

        They aren't

        You folks tried it once already -- remember the May-Flower? And look how that ended up...

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    " morally offended members of the public " = Nosey illegitimate

  4. Winkypop Silver badge
    Devil

    Religious nutjobbery

    Indonesia is a heavily populated country.

    SOMEBODY must be doing the horizontal-polka.

    But what ever you do, don't look at it on the net.

    There be demons!

    1. Aaron Em

      Re: Religious nutjobbery

      It's just so telling that you don't see a difference between sex and pornography. I bet you're a bloody awful lay.

      1. Winkypop Silver badge
        WTF?

        Re: Religious nutjobbery

        Oooh, I hit a nerve there.

        ouch.

        1. Aaron Em

          Re: Religious nutjobbery

          Embarrassed yourself, more like.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Religious nutjobbery

        Define pornography, it's very hard to do as different people have different ideas about what it is. If you go by the dictionary definition (Mirriam-Webster in this case) of the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement then that includes the majority of advertising and music videos.

        1. Aaron Em

          Re: Religious nutjobbery

          Well, my surname is neither Merriam nor Webster, but the way I figure it, pornography is what's made and sold with the intent of being bought and jerked off to. Simple enough?

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: Religious nutjobbery

            In reply to mine: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/409210

            Sarah wrote: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/409332

            To which I replied: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/409993

            It's all in attitude ... Just because your shaman doesn't need/like/want it to exist doesn't mean that it doesn't actually exist. Likewise, your shaman's opinion won't make it go away. Especially on the world stage that is TehIntraWebTubes. To suggest otherwise is, in my mind, a somewhat pathological mind-set.

            No, I do not partake in porn ... there are not enough hours in the day as it is. But I don't really care that it exists, either. Methinks the folks offended by it *probably* protesteth too much. (Funny, my splel checquer wants to change "protesteth" to "protected" ...).

            1. Aaron Em

              Re: Religious nutjobbery

              Your opinion is the only one in the world that matters; people who agree with you are intelligent, while anyone else is a benighted fool who deserves only mockery, because clearly anyone with the slightest tincture of good sense would have the wit to see the world the same way you do. And you have the sheer temerity, from this blinkered mainstream Protestant Christian, i.e. Progressive, view of the world, to ridicule religion! -- as though you were outside and above it all, rather than serving as regular infantry in a sectarian conflict that's been going on for four centuries or so.

              (Tell me I'm wrong about this if you like, but you won't be correct to do so; unlike you and other soi-disant modern 'atheists', I am in fact not religious, and I'm therefore free to study real history instead of Whig historiography. This being the case, I can in fact, and do in fact, quite easily know what you are better than you yourself do. You may protest otherwise just as much as you like, without coming one millimeter closer to the accuracy which so completely eludes you right now.)

              Such hubris as yours, be it ever so popular in this degraded age, will sooner or later earn you the comeuppance you richly deserve; the ancient Greeks considered hubris sinful not because the blessed gods so declared it, but precisely because, in the end, hubris always brings about its own punishment. Of course today you laugh at me with scorn -- 'gather ye rosebuds while ye may!' When the day comes that you walk off the cliff, you will recall, with bitter irony, that you were warned.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Religious nutjobbery

                Very nice Aaron, that's a great self-portrait

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                2. Aaron Em

                  "I know you are, but what am I?" -- oh, how droll!

                  Did you have an argument to make, or would you rather just go back to the playground with the other kiddies and leave the conversation to the few of us who are grown-ups and the rather more who're pretending to be?

            2. Aaron Em

              Re: Religious nutjobbery

              One last thing which I fear I can't let pass after all: If you must try to make yourself look clever by using archaic inflections like -eth, at least learn how to use them correctly! -eth is cognate to the modern English -s suffix denoting a third-person singular verb, so your penultimate sentence, boiled down to its basic syntax, reads *they protests too much. Correct usage would be either he protesteth or simply they protest.

              That you may satisfy yourself with such a thin and threadbare pretense of intellectualism -- you don't even bother to make certain that what you think you say, you say! -- I find quite telling, if less than an entire astonishment.

              (That said, you should thank your autocorrect! At least it was trying to make you look less foolish...)

  5. saywhat
    Boffin

    Better late than never @MattBryant

    On your point about a contradiction about the number of days... a bit of basic googling will tell you that people have interpreted this wrong, the four days mentioned are in fact in addition to a further two days not mentioned in that specific verse but mentioned elsewhere. I'll let you search it up as it is you who chose to misunderstand and then state it as fact. It's a simple case of maths.

    On your point about sobering up Arabs... I think you'll find alcohol is prohibited as an intoxicant due to the effects on the body, you should watch Horizon's 20 most dangerous drugs if you don't agree: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/drugs/survey/ . Yes many muslims do drink, but many people of all religions do things not only prohibited in their religion but also ethically and morally wrong, that does not make them representatives of their religion? No. I would suggest you do some basic research from credible sources before you use your opinion as fact.

    Which brings me neatly onto my final point, your question why anyone should believe the Quran as the word of God. As a starting point, why don't you look up "Science and Islam". Noone expects anyone to just believe, but there are many scientific proofs inside the Quran which we take as common knowledge today but there is no way anyone could have known them at the time of their revelation. I would suggest you do some basic research from credible sources before you use your opinion as fact.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Better late than never @MattBryant

      Ah yes a web site that specifies that the Quran contains scientific truths before 'science' could have know.

      Clearly this is the objective proof I asked for above, it's on the internet and therefore it must be true.

    2. Matt Bryant Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: Better late than never @MattBryant

      "....people have interpreted this wrong..." Yes, those being Islamic scholars getting it wrong. There seems to be a lot of confusion amongst Muslims as to what exactly Allah is supposed to have said/done, which is making his so-called "perfection" look a lot less than perfect.

      "....It's a simple case of maths...." OK, here's some simple maths - you're belief means the World was created in six "ayuns" tops; science puts it at several billion years. I would suggest you give maths a miss and just go do a little real science reading here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth).

      "....On your point about sobering up Arabs...." I note you do not deny that Mohammed only declared alcohol verboten when he needed an army for his conquests, not earlier when he was busy telling his original followers all the great stuff Gabriel had supposedly enlightened him with.

      "....Noone expects anyone to just believe, but there are many scientific proofs inside the Quran...." All the proofs you mention have long since been shown to have been pinched from Greek, Persian and Phoenician sources pre-dating Islam. In fact, Islam is noted for stifling science compared to other cultures, as shown by this comparison of Muslim winners (just six) of any of the Nobel prizes compared to Jewish ones (165) http://www.jewishmag.com/99mag/nobel/nobel.htm. Of the six Muslim winners only two were for science.

      "..... I would suggest you do some basic research from credible sources before you use your opinion as fact." Your deliberate obtuseness is just making me laugh now!

  6. saywhat
    Stop

    Re: Better late than never @MattBryant

    I did say "I would suggest you do some basic research from credible sources before you use your opinion as fact."

    The key term to note here is "credible sources".

    Credible sources include: the Quran itself (available in a wide variety of languages with accompanying transliteration/commentries), bookshops/libraries with credible authors, imams/local mosques, etc.

    Unfortunately many people in the UK (and around the world) choose to accept what they heard in their local pub as a source of knowledge on Islam or anti islamic websites who quote selective parts of verses out of the wider context or mistranslate words. Both sources will normally point at actions of a person or group of people (or in the vast majority of cases at traditions which are actually frowned upon in Islam) and say "look that is Islam", when in actual fact they represent noone but themselves. It's important to remember that everyone interpret things in their own way.

    Credible sources also do not include Wikipedia, widely accepted by academics before I'm misquoted on this.

    @Titus Technophobe :To answer your point more directly, if you want objective proof why don't you check when the said scientific discovery was made and compare it to when it was written in the Quran and then check to see it was actually written in the Quran. Use an actual Quran for this translated from a good source.

    @Matt Bryant: Thank you for proving my point by quoting me out of context several times. "People" did not mean Islamic scholars, it meant the anti Islamic websites/preachers who spread these untruths, you interpreted my point incorrectly. The link you posted for your second point on "real science reading" actually comes down to a question of maths, calculating the age of the earth. If you choose to believe a theory which has an error range of 500 million years so be it, also don't forget to mention there are arguments against the science used in the Wikipedia article you linked. I followed the third sentence you quoted with "I think you'll find alcohol is prohibited as an intoxicant due to the effects on the body", i.e. it was not to "sober up arabs" but in fact due to the harm it has on the human body. Again, feel free to selectively read and good try at misquoting me. The revelation came after he was questioned about it, as did many revelations. You then say all the proofs have been shown to be pinched, I think you'll find many people who try to discredit science in Islam focus around wordings, trying to make verses ambigious/random, etc. Also quoting an award which itself has had many contraversies which has only been around for just over a century to make your point that Islam stifles science isn't a good way, seeing as Islam is over 1400 years old. To finish I wasn't being obstuse, I was being brief, but you have proven my point well.

    Why rely on people as too often people's opinions are turned into fact and people too easily jump to conclusions.

    That is all I have to say on the matter and please don't misquote me as it makes you look silly.

    1. Matt Bryant Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: Better late than never @MattBryant

      ".....Credible sources include: the Quran itself (available in a wide variety of languages with accompanying transliteration/commentries), bookshops/libraries with credible authors, imams/local mosques, etc....." ROFLMAO! So all your "credible sources" are just the people that fed you the one-sided narrative in the first place. That's a bit like saying anyone who wants to understand the Scientologists should only talk to Tom Cruise. According to you, the only people allowed to have a clue about Islam are the very people trying to propagate it? Monumental fail!

      "...Use an actual Quran for this translated from a good source....." LOL, didn't you notice that some of your bretheren spend a lot of time going around defacing public copies of the Koran not in Arabic as they claim it is not correct if it has been translated. In fact, it always makes me laugh when Muslims claim idolatory is not in Islam but just look at the way they idolise the Koran, the way they scream and shriek if it is as much as mishandled, let alone flushed down a toilet (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4535491.stm), burned (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/world/asia/03afghanistan.html?_r=1) or just thrown on the floor (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3686950.stm). It seems you have no problem killing others that "disrespect" your idolic book.

      "....The revelation came after he was questioned about it, as did many revelations...." Wow, how convenient! So your uber-perfect god wasn't able to predict what people might think and give Mohhamed the idea early? Do you want to buy some Florida real estate, each one reputedly blessed by Allah?

      ".....Also quoting an award which itself has had many contraversies which has only been around for just over a century to make your point that Islam stifles science isn't a good way, seeing as Islam is over 1400 years old....." So you can't dispute the lack of scientific work by Muslims in the last hundred years, so instead you go back and hide behind some supposed great Islamic scientific discoveries you are unable to list or provide any proof of. You supply the so-called Islamic science and I'll see if I can debunk it, otherwise I'll simply point out your inability to supply specifics as proof you are talking out of your backside.

      I have a simple philosophy when it comes to religion - keep it to yourself and I will leave you alone, but if you open your trap and try telling me it is the answer to everything, or that other people are less worthy than you just because you believe in a different fairytale, then don't expect me not to point out your idiocy.

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