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The National Ignition Facility has followed up on its March firing with yet-another record, flicking the switch on a pulse that topped 500 trillion watts and 1.85 megajoules of UV laser. Back in March, the NIF at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory had previously fired a 411 trillion watt pulse. As noted by the lab, …

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  1. No such thing as an Anonymous Coward
    Boffin

    Pulsed power...

    see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsed_power

    Same principle can be used to increase the burn efficiency of the Internal combustion engine in your car. Even ignite water.

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    3. Chemist

      Re: Pulsed power...

      "Even ignite water."

      Pray enlighten us all as to what water burns to ?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Pulsed power...

        Well I ass-u-me he means the lasers split the water into hydrogen & oxygen then ignite that..

        Not actually a net gain, but still it can happen!

        1. Chemist

          Re: Pulsed power...

          "Well I ass-u-me he means the lasers split the water into hydrogen & oxygen then ignite that.."

          Oh good grief !

      2. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge
        Boffin

        Re: Pulsed power...

        silicon

        Astrophysicists do chemistry differently.

        1. Chemist

          Re: Pulsed power...

          All very well but it's not actually chemistry !

          Chemistry doesn't involve converting one element to another

          1. fch
            Meh

            Re: Pulsed power...

            Otto Hahn got his Nobel prize (on the discovery of uranium fission) for chemistry not physics. "Nuclear chemistry", alchemy's finest hour. Well, until these "elementary" particle physicists came along and got all the spotlight ;-)

            1. Chemist

              Re: Pulsed power...

              I don't give a friggin' damn - it's not chemistry !

              1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge
                Mushroom

                Stellar Chemistry

                Oh, why so sour? :-P

                IIRC the OP only talked about 'igniting'. And in a discussion about fusion I would take that to mean nuclear not chemical burning. (I can't speak for nuclear physicists, but astrophysicists always use ignite and burn to describe the onset and process of nuclear fusion - so stars burn hydrogen and eventually most will get hot enough to ignite helium.) That said, I think you were right and the OP didn't know what he was talking about.

                The idea it was 'chemistry' was mine. It was meant as a joke. And you're right: they're reactions of nucleons not orbital electrons. But once you get over that, plasmas, particularly those found in stellar interiors, posses the kind of potentials and gradients and rich complexity you see everywhere else in chemistry; this is the chemistry of the Weak force, rather than the Electromagnetic one. Still I'm happy chemists aren't interested in the really hot stuff.

                *ponders whether I should tell him the real definition of a metal*

                1. Chemist

                  Re: Stellar Chemistry

                  "Still I'm happy chemists aren't interested in the really hot stuff."

                  I'm very interested but it's still not Chemistry

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Pulsed power...

        Helium and seriously toasted oxygen? ;)

      4. Schultz
        Flame

        Let the water burn

        "Pray enlighten us all as to what water burns to ?"

        Ooh, simples, according to Wikipedia:

        16/8 O + 1/1 H → 17/9 F + 0.60 MeV

        17/9 F → 17/8 O + e+ +ν_e + 2.76 MeV (half-life of 64.49 seconds)

        17/8 O + 1/1 H → 14/7 N + 4/2 He + 1.19 MeV

        Please don't try this at home! Any questions?

        1. Chemist

          Re: Let the water burn

          Those are nuclear reactions !! NOT chemistry !!

  2. BillboBaggins
    Boffin

    Great!

    But can they mount this thing on a frickin' shark?!

  3. Purlieu

    No point

    you only need 1.21 jiggawatts

  4. orb8

    Ah.. A pulse like this could just be the thing for knocking small pests from flora I would rather like to protect :)

  5. devo

    Remember to not cross the streams

    I suppose that goes without saying.

  6. Silverburn
    Happy

    Non-technical dumbass asks stupid questions

    If i cranked this up for 1 second, could I:

    - put a really big hole in something

    - plunge the US into complete darkness, and trigger another recession?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Mushroom

      Re: Non-technical dumbass asks stupid questions

      Top questions, with answers of yes, and maybe.

      We have a claimed 500 trillion watt laser. That means that in one second (if it could run for that long) it would release 500 trillion joules of energy, or about five times the energy of the bomb that hit Nagasaki. That has big hole making potential, in my book, although it's small by modern nuclear weapon standards.

      Could that plunge the US into darkness? Only if carefully divided amongst critical power distribution nodes, so you'd need to move your laser energy about with pin point accuracy. People might notice when a truck labelled Silverburn Laser Services Ltd turns up, vapourises an electricity grid switching station, and drives off again. Having said that, total US electricity generating capacity is "only" about 1 terawatt. Assuming your laser is 5% efficient (OK as a ball park) then you need 10 peta watts of input, so ten thousand times more power than the entire generating capacity of the US, so if you over-rode all the safety systems and linked the US grid together (whilst stroking a long haired white cat) you could cause a national black out by sucking all the power out of the grid (and melting it at the same time).

      Trigger another recession? Probably not, as we've got a big enough one at the moment to mask most things. Added to which destruction usually begets reconstruction, and that appears to create growth. Even if you used your one second of tera-laser in downtown New York city, things would certainly be very bad indeed for the inhabitants. But would that matter in London, Los Angeles, Berlin etc? Probably not (and vice versa if you chose one of those to experiment on).

  7. Velv
    Coat

    So...

    Are they going to use it to hollow out an extinct volcano?; and then

    How are they going to get it to the moon now they've got no space shuttle?

    By fusion laser, I assume they actually mean frickin laser

  8. scub
    Flame

    Oooh!

    Anyone know anything a Masers?

    I was wonder if one could be used to power an engine cylinder full of water? How fast could it boil the water and so creating motion ?

  9. Avatar of They
    Coat

    I don't understand all these watts and power numbers.

    What is the base damage in D6. I need to know.

    1. Magani
      Linux

      Re: I don't understand all these watts and power numbers.

      In Traveller or AD&D?

    2. Fred Mbogo

      Re: I don't understand all these watts and power numbers.

      The article does not explain the mechanism of the laser. So we don't know if its a regular laser, pulse laser, x-pulse laser or a heavy laser.

      Since its pre-fusion tech, I would be willing to assign it the same damage as an Inner Sphere small laser.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I don't understand all these watts and power numbers.

        Or an Inner-Tube, like maybe from a tractor ;)

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Mushroom

    1.85 megajoules

    Sounds so good when you use terms like megajoules. Then you convert it, and find that the cutting edge of laser death in the twenty first century is a beam that's zipping out about half a kWh, worth about 5p when bought from the 'leccy board.

    In El Reg units, wouldn't that be about 23 cups of tea?

    "The Death Star is in firing position, Lord Vader"

    "The emperor will be pleased - put the kettle on commander"

  11. Pirate Dave Silver badge
    Pirate

    National Ignition Facility

    We have a National Ignition Facility? Holy shit, that's cool. A national facility to burn things. Man, I love this country - we have the NIF, Freedom, Liberty, The Right To Bear Arms*, and Britney Spears. What more could we ask for?

    * - which the bears aren't too happy about, TBH

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: National Ignition Facility

      The Right to Arm Bears... give em a chance against the sharks.

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  13. James O'Brien
    Joke

    How is it...

    That everyone here missed the Death Star implication of this laser? Next stop...Alderaan

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Facepalm

      Re: How is it...

      Er... everyone, except the first post in the thread!

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