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Google has used its annual developer conference, Google I/0 2012 in San Francisco, to announce its long-expected tablet, the Nexus 7, along with a new 4.1 build of Android (codenamed Jelly Bean) and a hackable home streaming Android computer called the Nexus Q that is shaped like a ball. Built by Asus, the Nexus 7 packs a quad …

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            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Google Now

              You know you can use your smartphone for portable WiFi, right?

            2. ShadowCopy
              Happy

              Re: Google Now

              Android 4.0 (Also on 3.x i recall): Settings > Wireless & Networks > Tethering and Portable Hotspot.

              Connect tablet to phone's wi-fi network, no need for seperate data contract/SIM

              1. M Gale

                Re: Google Now

                "Settings > Wireless & Networks > Tethering and Portable Hotspot."

                Okay if you own the phone. Usually locked out if you don't (and haven't paid extortionate extra fees to use the same data).

                I also use a portable hotspot these days, since the 3G-enabled tablet went missing. However, I do rather like having everything in one device. Have you ever seen how much juice that portable hotspot sucks out of a 1500mAH battery?

                So basically, to get all-day usage from the hotspot, I need to have my phone, and £80 worth of 8AH/30WH Energizer XPAL battery attached to it. Hardly a fiddle-free solution. Nor cheap.

                1. ShadowCopy
                  Thumb Up

                  Re: Google Now

                  RE: Networks limiting personal hot-spot usage -

                  I got my galaxy nexus from the O2 shop, but they aren't branded anyway. My HTC desire was heavily O2 branded with all the O2 guff installed, and it still allowed me to use the personal hotspot (Android 2.2/2,3 i seem to recall). O2 just limit data usage nowadays anyway, "unlimited" no longer exists so you can't cane it 24/7 like you could previously. Just pick a bolt on that suits you (Mine is 1GB/month i seem to recall. I was on the 3GB one but now i work from home i don't use it anywhere near as much as i did)

                  Once you're on a bolt-on you can hammer it as much as you like, then once you hit the limit they throttle your speeds until your next billing period starts. Unless you're watching netflix over mobile data connection it shouldnt ever be a problem.

              2. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Google Now

                "Connect tablet to phone's wi-fi network, no need for seperate data contract/SIM"

                Also works on suitable Nokia Symbian phones (eg E71) and has done for years with e.g. JoikuSpot.

                But those old Nokia Eseries were just functional and value for money, and were not hiptrendy article material.

        1. Steve Evans

          @A/C 22:04 was Re: Google Now

          You own a mobile phone don't you?

          You carry the mobile phone with its connection in you pocket 99.9% of the time don't you?

          Well you set the phone to act as a wifi hotspot, and connect the tablet via that. Tada... One mobile contract, one sim, and it's kept the cost of the tablet down.

          That's assuming you have a mobile which can act as a wifi hotspot - hint, Android phones can.

      1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
        Unhappy

        Re: Google Now

        The BBC website said that Google Now would allow it to give you the menus of restaurants as you walked past them on the street.

        I hope this was the usual Beeb getting over-excited about technology. Otherwise, yuck! Can just imagine the phone binging and vibrating madly as you walk down the street. It's the digital equivalent of those places that have a guy outside, trying to tempt you in...

        I've lived in a city that does that, and it's dead annoying when you're just walking down the street trying to get somewhere. I guess it adds a bit of local colour when you're on holiday.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Google Now

          "The BBC website said that Google Now would allow it to give you the menus of restaurants as you walked past them on the street."

          Randomly showing you menus as you walk down a street would be a bit irritating ... but I suspect it will be more like "I want to eat now ... show me the menus of the restaurants within 5 mins walk of here" - that could be useful

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    1. koswix
      Black Helicopters

      Swap the N for an n and that sentence becomes far more worrying.

  1. Hardcastle the ancient
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    underwhelmed

    1280 x 800 is HD is it?

    is that a 15mm border round the screen?

    no 3G/cellular access?

    no card slots?

    no USB master mode?

    Not interested in nfc.

    1. ShadowCopy
      Trollface

      Re: underwhelmed

      It's £160 FFS - Please ask a customer service representative to direct you to the "moon on a stick" department

      1. Hardcastle the ancient

        >It's £160 FFS

        But I'd pay £200 for one I want. I won't pay £160 for one I don't.

  2. Hardcastle the ancient
    Coat

    Errr...

    > a rewriting of the code to allow the CPU, GPU,

    > and display to work in sync

    That's only just occurred to them?

    1. Sean Timarco Baggaley

      Re: Errr...

      To be fair, they are having to work with NVidia. You know: the company that Linus Torvalds said "Fuck You!" to, at a conference, on video.

      For the terminally slow on the uptake: Android is a Linux distro.

      1. Anonymous Coward
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        Re: Errr...

        There's been quite a few SoC suppliers other than NVidia.

        Samsung - makers of the current Nexus phone - also use their own Exynos chips and theres Texas with OMAP too . So "having to work with NVidia" is not really an excuse.

    2. ThomH

      Re: Errr...

      No; my memory may be at fault but I think I'm right to say that Android 1.x and 2.x essentially rendered everything in software, including real-time interaction responses like scrolling. No GPU caching at all.

      3.x introduced the first version of offloading to the GPU and 4.x has consolidated and updated that so that basically everything happens on the GPU — it's not just a cache for a compositing window manager, it's actually doing the drawing. So it's like QuartzGL or WPF on the desktop.

      Based on released benchmarks, it's really good stuff.

      1. Hardcastle the ancient

        @ThomH Re: Errr...

        But that's "using" not "in sync"

    3. Anomynous Coward

      Re: Errr...

      "That's only just occurred to them?"

      Suspect it's only just become possible to guarantee that all the hardware was up to the required spec - early android was shifting on some pretty low-spec devices.

  3. Anonymous Coward
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    Fair price...

    looks good, runs android, good price (only £50 more than your average cheapy cheap chinese ones), I personally think this might do rather well. At least compared to Chromebook.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    >For the terminally slow on the uptake: Android is a Linux distro.

    And IOS is which *nix distro ? Your point is ? Sorry just realised this is an STB post, forget I said anything.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      You forgot to add that it isn't even a distro. Still, more likely to be the future of consumer-facing linux but one without stupid fucking penguins and silly licensing. Wouldn't surprise me to see them even swap the kernel for something else.

      1. Ocular Sinister
        Go

        Swapping the kernel?

        They already have as they have made a lot of custom modifications. You could argue its not a Linux distribution at all.

        The good news is they are heading in the correct direction - they are actively working on getting these changes approved for inclusion in Linux. This will benefit us all, especially the power management stuff they've been working on.

        So, no they're not going from Linux to some other kernel. Quite the opposite.

  5. Andrew Jones 2

    Since everyone seems to of missed it - Google are not THAT stupid, "Google Now" is opt-in.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      is that like Google+, which you need to have to use an increasingly number of Google products?

      1. M Gale

        I have no Google+ account, and will never have a Google+ account.

        Google Play: works.

        Youtube: works.

        Webmaster Tools: all fine.

        Gmail: yup, that's there too.

        I can see Picasa needing a profile for some retarded reason, but that's not a Google+ account and it's not like there aren't a bajillion and one other image upload sites available.

        So what Google services (they're not really "products") require a Google+ account, asides Google+?

        1. MrWibble

          Re: I have no Google+ account, and will never have a Google+ account.

          As far as I know, you do have a Google+ account, you just don't use it. Having a Gmail / Play account has automatically created you a + profile. All part of Google's "streamlining" logins policy...

          1. MikeS
            FAIL

            Re: I have no Google+ account, and will never have a Google+ account.

            you do need to create a gmail account to register the device and use the app store

            you DO NOT need to sign-up for or use google+, but you can if you want to..

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          3. M Gale

            Re: I have no Google+ account, and will never have a Google+ account.

            "Having a Gmail / Play account has automatically created you a + profile."

            No it has not.

            The fact I had a Picasa account created a profile for me. I promptly deleted both, and now have neither. A "profile" isn't a + account anyway, as far as I'm aware. I would have still had the profile if they hadn't insisted on real names, as well.

            Now if they start insisting on + accounts just to have a Play Store account, I might start getting more pissed off, especially considering the amount of real money splunked on apps. I imagine a lot of other people will too, and giving them all a channel to organise themselves through might be the last thing Google want. Well, unless they want to transform + from a ghost town into a trolltastic sewer.

  6. stuartnz
    Meh

    Aussie tax

    I was planning on buying one through Google Aus, since they're not on sale to NZ, then found out that while $199US=$192AUD, the 8GB version is $249AUD, slightly dearer than the 16GB in the States. Time to make nice with US friends for reshipping, I think.

    1. annodomini2

      Re: Aussie tax

      $249 is without tax and import duty.

      Technically when you add VAT and Import duty, the device is cheaper in the UK, than the US.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Aussie tax

        "Technically when you add VAT and Import duty, the device is cheaper in the UK, than the US."

        LOL, but they don't in the US have VAT and import duty :) And if they do have state sales tax and import duty in the USD, the USD 200 still includes them. So... strip their tax and duty, strip ours - and then compare, which one is cheaper.

        btw, conversion rate of USD to GBP makes this toy about £124.

        1. PsychicMonkey

          Re: Aussie tax

          there is the cost of getting it to the destination as well though, it may be cheaper to get it to the states (larger volumes?) than to other countries.

  7. GrantB
    Boffin

    Can't buy one

    StuartNZ just beat me to it.

    "Sorry! Devices on Google Play is not available in your country yet.

    We're working to bring devices to more countries as quickly as possible.

    Please check back again soon".

    I have a iPad (gen 3) but want a smaller tablet pretty much for a dedicated e-reader when the kids have swiped the iPad for gaming.

    The Nexus7 hits the right price/performance spot, so went to see if I can order one. Oh dear.

    Mind you we are used to lagging behind the rest of the world with products, but still just don't get why Google (and Apple etc) still enforce geographical restrictions. I can get one via a US re-shipper, so why stop us buying directly?. Stick up warnings about media content not being accessible and that it might have colour spelt wrong or not be 100% metric, but let us buy. Please?

    1. stuartnz

      Re: Can't buy one

      Totally agree on the idiocy of geographical restrictions. My understanding is that the Google Play lockdown is not like Amazon's Fire, where all product on the device must be bought through the Kindle store. If you buy a Nxus 7 from the US, the apps should still be available, and even with shipping the price is going to be competitive.

    2. jarjarbinks

      Re: Can't buy one

      It is almost never because they don't want to or they want to make other regions wait. It usually has to do with government laws with imports, US export restrictions, etc. If they just got this thing done and want to release it, they likely don't have the exportable one ready yet. If they waited a few months to announce it, they may have been able to ship them all over and spent the few months getting all that in place. It will make it's way to other countries fairly soon, but companies that do sell things world wide typically don't hold back on purpose. That's loss revenue for them.

      1. stuartnz

        Re: Can't buy one

        The usual arguments don't apply in this specific instance. It's on sale in Aus, which means the hardware is compatible with NZ. Also, because Aus and NZ are treated as one market by most licence holders (Warner's has already shut down its NZ offices) it is not an issue of content permissions.

  8. eldakka
    FAIL

    No (m)SD or (m)HDMI?

    Fail.

    1. eldakka

      Re: No (m)SD or (m)HDMI?

      Replying to my own post...

      Tho if the USB is MHL (OTG would be good too) then the HDMI aspect is somewhat ameliorated

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: No (m)SD or (m)HDMI?

      There is no rear facing camera either.

      But these things had to go to make that pricepoint. I have no interest in them (well MicroSD would have been nice perhaps), On the upside of course you get a 17-core CPU/GPU that's going to be killer at gaming.

      Mines already on order (went for the 16GB as there is no MicroSD slot). £10 2-day delivery ontop in the UK, but a £15 play store credit to compensate.

  9. Keithjw

    Nexus q

    What you need here is a picture of Woody Allen in the movie Sleeper - fondling an "orb".

  10. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    +1 for Google

    They really are coming on in leaps and bounds. I think the Nexus 7 is an attempt to kickstart the market for publishers on Android which has been very sluggish, especially for pads. Google, like Amazon, happy to be a loss-leader in the device market. It's small enough to leave room for other partners to release larger, added value versions and building it with Asus should put paid to the myth that Motorola Mobility is some kind of preferred partner.

    Jelly Bean seems to be underlining on the software side what the hardware side has been showing for the last few months: technological superiority over IOS. The graphics rewrite is long overdue and the key area where IOS has been ahead of Android. Offline voice recognition is very impressive.

    The Nexus Q looks like a vanity project, which is why they were also giving them away. Might be interesting to see what people come up with. I'm currently looking for some kind of home media system and have not yet seen anything that would really do. I can see a cut-down version of the Nexus Q being it.

  11. nederlander
    Trollface

    correction...

    mexican workers.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Chrome on Android

    I'm a big fan of Chrome, but for it to take off on Androids and especially tablets the version of Chrome needs to be on a par with the version that you can run on Windows / OS X and Linux. You need to be able to run all your plugins and sync all your apps across. The beta didn't have this in ICS, so has this changed for the version in Jellybean? Or is it still lightyears away from its bigger brother?

  13. nederlander

    so..

    Several people, in a room, each with a google tablet, taking turns to play music on that ball thing..

    Really google? REALLY?

    Anyway - what about my massive collection of pirated films and music?

    1. ShadowCopy
      WTF?

      Re: so..

      I'm assuming it'll pick up upnp sharing, so anything my server chucks out through Samsung Allshare should be available (When i'm at home anyway) - fingers crossed. If not, there's probably "an app for that" *cringe*

      If it doesn't, i see no point in buying one. You can get a network ready BluRay player that does all that for about £150. Or god forbid....and apple tv (and put linux on it..obv)

  14. MrXavia
    WTF?

    Why oh why is there no micro SD??? To those of us that do use these for video, it IS important,

    I find the 16gb on my phone too tiny, hence I added a 32gb card, and i fill that easily if I go away for a week somewhere...

    Think I will wait for a rival to release a 7" at a similar price point...

    really Google, why oh why did you forgo the microSD, it is not COOL to follow apple....

    1. Anomynous Coward

      I think they did it to avoid the incompatibility / support problems they bring - Nexus devices are reference machines so the hardware has to be a mailed down known quantity.

      Once you get to shove any old SD card in there this is no longer the case.

      It is annoying though, and might stop me buying one of these - but no doubt one of the other systems builders will provide something with a similar spec plus the card slot we'd prefer.

  15. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

    What's the biggest story?

    "Google is also prepping a platform developer kit with future Android builds, to be released months before the next operating system build goes live, so manufacturers can tune their devices to the new code."

    Perhaps it's just me, but I think this could be the biggest story of the conference.

    According to the BBC's reporting of this, Google's own figures say that ICS is only installed on 7% of Android devices. Which given that it's free and has been out for 9 months, is amazingly piss-poor. There's still hardware coming out now running 2.3, which is 2 years old.

    Alternatively the Nexus 7, being only $199 could also be huge. It could be the one that gets Android tablets selling big time, and screws over Amazon (stopping them from nicking all Google's customers). I've got an iPad 3, and I still want one...

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