Re: 41mp

YES

Re: Eva

Just for the record: it's EVE (all caps, her name was an acronym just like WALL-E's).

Anyway, I'm not too surprised this phone design is being released first on Symbian AND in countries where the "big players" (iOS, Android, WinPho) aren't a big draw. Will this camera come to WinPho? Perhaps, but not for a bit. In any event, given the prevailing attitudes around here, odds are people here will wait for Apple or an Android phone maker (maybe Sony--they make phones AND digital cameras so would have a natural inclination to try) to copycat the idea and then break Nokia's current monopoly on the tech.

Re: Sony--they make phones AND digital cameras

So why haven't sony gotten so smart and implemented their digicams with for instance Bluetooth?Coupled with some Android app (perhaps exclusively to XPeria-phones for increased sales) to controll the camera remote, see histograms, transfer pics (from digicam to phone) et....

Those corps are run by folks whom are supposed to be smarter than us and yet do do the dumbest things sometimes. Especially Sony who has everything inhouse to build the most innovative devices. All they seem to do is hunt down housewifes who copy a few CD's or teenagers who hack their PS3.

Somewhere at Nokia some exec is now saying "right we can finally draw a line under the megapixels war, lets do something productive like try and squeeze more pixels into the display technology we use"

If you read the interviews by the engineers they downplay the megapixel number, almost grumbling that Marketing attached the number without them knowing, and focus on the sensor size and optics, which are pretty damn hot.

The best camera is the one you have on you at all times. SLR's can be such a fucking chore to use and carry round.

Different competition

This isn't supposed to be in competition with DSLR cameras and what not, it's supposed to be a replacement for point and shoot, providing good image quality in your pocket without the need for a separate device as most people don't walk around with dedicated cameras in their pockets or bags. As mentioned earlier default setting is 5mp shots which is in line with other phones, it uses the high res sensor to remove noise, not create massive photos. In fact the original idea behind it was that you could zoom in 3x and get a true 5mp camera shot. Obviously the more you zoom the less noise reduction you get.

Also nokia camera already lets you control ISO, shutter speed etc

@ Senior Ugli

Nokia isn't using the sensor as a 'stunt'. In fact they claim to have a phone with great 5/8MPixel shots and 3x (digital) zoom without quality loss. The rest o/t world is misjudged by the 41Mpixel sensor not Nokia.

RE: queeze more pixels into the display technology we use

Why so naive? Nokia already has phones with higher resolution screens. Lumia 800 and N9 both have 800 x 480 pixels screens.

Besides more pixels on screen require more powerful GPU/CPU's and hence require more energy. It all comes with a price. Just wait and see how well you're beloved future-tech SGSIII will be with its 1280 X720 pixels 4.6" screen. I doubt that it's 2050mAh will last 2 days.

'To me this is just abit of a stunt'

Really? It seems more a cunning way of sidestepping the problems in making bringing certain abilities to a camera in a very thin form factor. The small size doesn't allow for an optical mechanical zoom, and even if it did, it would soon break because phones see more use and abuse than normal cameras.

Consider this: most zoom shots are outside and in daylight: Lots of light, so we'll just crop an image from the middle of this 41Mp sensor.

By contrast, most low light shots are indoors, of social gatherings. No need to zoom, so lets interpolate and reduce noise.

Seems a crafty trade-off to me!

Re: One huge problem

well don't use a camera phone then!

I get fantastic pictures from my N8 and can't wait for the 808!

Re: One huge problem

I don't - I can hold cameras steady

Re: One huge problem

MJI: but the 808 will be bigger. Much easier to hold steady.

This problem is inherent on 'small' and 'thin' devices. The situation is a bit better on the Nokia 701/C7 series because at least you don't have to wait until the lens is in focus. But WHEN you do manage to get a steady hand, the images are a LOT better on the N8 than on the 701 (I have both so I speak from experience).

Re: One huge problem

Thanks

I reckon 75% have camera shake but I have a few good shots as it was the only photo device I had on me.

My SLR leaks light and films are now £15 for 36, my video camera is a bit bulky but its stills are pretty good.

Re: One huge problem

The 808 is also quite heavy, so that keeps it more stable. It does take strikingly good photographs.