LG: We're not walking away from Windows Phone LG is denying it has lost interest in Windows Phone following reports in the Korea Herald which claimed an "insignificant" number of Microsoft-bearing handsets had been sold. The original report in the Korea Herald didn't even state that LG was giving up Windows Phone, only that it hadn't sold a lot of the kit, and that the …
"I fail to see why I should ever need to edit a hosts file on my phone."
Well there you see you showed your complete ignorance and also showed yourself to be a paid MS shill. Having used Linux O/Ss for at least the last 10-12 years the amount of editing I do with config files these days is almost down to zero and then only when I have some really daft beta type thing that want to test. You'll probably find you're editing DOC/XLS more often than O/S config files these days on LINUX!
While I don't like Google much and dislike Apple's mobile kit, I bought an SGS2 Android and like most of my IT experience I make sure I am careful not to put every single piece of my life into my tech, I "think before I blink" when it comes to personal info. Google are welcome to read my SMS messages and phone calls, if they think notes about train delays and "what's for dinner?" to the Missus are interesting! They're also very welcome to know that I am so boring I only like playing Sudoku games on my phone, they're very welcome to my scores.
So stop all the ignorant bollocks MS shill. Seriously you walk up to any punter on the high-street and ask them to name some mobile phones, £50 says they'll say something like, "Apple, iPhone, Samsung, Android, Blackberry", anything you hear will be a bonus an extremely rare. The high-street punters are driving the direction of the mobile market, makers of kit like MS no longer dictate where the market goes and that my friend is why the WinPho/WinCE whatever the heck it's called now, will simply be a footnote on the MS Wikipedia page within 6 months!
Poster A: "I fail to see why I should ever need to edit a hosts file on my phone."
Poster B: "Well there you see you showed your complete ignorance and also showed yourself to be a paid MS shill"
Your logic is infallible. The poster does not see a need to edit a hosts file and is therefore paid to be posting by Microsoft.
"and that my friend is why the WinPho/WinCE whatever the heck it's called now"
Wow. And you dare to lambast someone else for ignorance. That's like saying "the BeOS/MS-DOS/iOS whatever the heck it's called". WindowsCE and WP7 are almost entirely different systems.
> WP7 won because it had an FM radio and a nice UI, it also played nice with my workstation at home.
Work-life balance issues there?
> Furthermore Zune has a pretty large amount of artists on it for occasional download and most of my favourite podcasts are availbable on it.
You bought it for Zune?!!
> Lumia sales were reported to be a 1.3 million
That was also claimed to be 33% of the WP7 market.
In Q1 Nokia claimed to have sold (they probably meant shipped) 2 million Lumias. The question is: did this increase the total WP7 market, or was it that Nokia stole market share off the other makers and now has 60% of the WP7 market.
With MS kicking in for advertising Lumias and paying sales commissions to phone shop staff for them then why would any other maker bother with WP7s when MS is acting against them.
And allegedly allowing Nokia to differentiate from the rigid specs that others must follow.
It's also rumored those Windows Phone numbers were shipped, not sold, and included at least 200k freebie handsets to press developers and anyone willing to risk their credibility by claiming Windows Phone is a winning platform.
I think you can also bet that the other large part of those numbers are sat in a warehouse or store backroom gathering dust and keeping the door open.
I don't know ANYONE with a Windows Phone, not personally, or in the tech sector, it's become a laughing stock.
You say that we should keep perspective yet you immediately twist it into an unfair comparison.
Windows Phone has been released roughly around 2010/2011, so its approx. 1 year old whereas Android already has a lifespan of nearly 5 years (went beta at the end of 2007).
So if you want to keep things into perspective like you said then please compare the sale rates for Android over the year 2009 / 2010 and compare that to Windows Phone. That might provide a totally different image.
I can't help fail to understand arguments like yours. As if everyone should consider a project to be a failure if it doesn't provide instant success and adaption, that's just stupid. Some products and developments require time to mature.
Java is now one of the most used programming languages out there. I've been to Sun presentations where they demonstrated Java version 1; hoping to get anyone interested in the language.
Imagine what would have happened if Sun would have reasoned like you're doing.... "The project didn't catch on world-wide after roughly 1.5 years so we'd better call it quits".
"Windows Phone, in the guise of Windows Mobile, has been going since 2000."
WP7 and Windows Mobile are completlely different animals. Why bring Windows Mobile into a discussion about WP7? Just so you can try to make the case that WP7 has been around for longer? Even though both externally and under the bonnet they are vastly different?
echo another comment. I have used my FM radio on my S2 maybe twice or three times. tuneinradio pro is FAR better and works in more areas tbh. Forget using the FM radio whilst walking, it simply isnt good enough. PLus you are very limited on FM nowadays - still its your phone do as you will.
As for google slurping data, I bet MS do the same, as to apple and so do RIM. Google dont sell peoples data. They sell advertising. Why would google sell its only leading edge? Blocking adverts and stopping crap going out of your phone is trivial on android. I would guess very hard on apple (jailbreak at a guess) and I dont know about the winphone.
I discounted winphone on the strenght it has no external storage. 10-12gb free is pitiful. My S2 is now 4gb free internal and about 6gb free on the 32gb card. The other 32gb card is full of kids movies for holiday travel.
I would suggest Nokia need to quickly upgrade the Harmattan/Maemo N9 which the Lumia is almost 100% based on, it's a bit of a cult item in the non-core Euro markets where Nokia are allowing it to be sold, it may well need 2 cores and some other changes to keep up soon, although the OS is pretty efficient, apparently the rumour is that quite a few are being ordered and shipped internationally by desperate punters...... OK this doesn't help LG so much ...
MSs only failure with WP was the PR war which it lost, and is still losing.
forget everything else, as a PHONE its actually very good, unfortunately it got slated for what it wasn't rather than what it was .
MSs other failure was letting OEMs and networks Crap all over Windows Mobile 6.1 and not improving the OS until it was too late, then ditching everything that made WM the best pocket PC on the market.
Pocket PC and Smartphone are two very different things, WM owns PocketPC, WP owns smartphone, android and iOS own the middle ground
Can I just say the LG Optimus Sol with Android is fab for the price and hard to see how even their own WinPhones could compete directly with that. It's not tough like maybe a more expensive HTC with alloy frame, but the LG's front glass is also Gorilla-ed and the display is awesome. I can only imagine how good a higher-range LG would be. LG, where's my fee? !!
Not odd at all. That's generally the way it is with almost any comment on almost any Internet community devoted to almost any subject.
Go onto YouTube and say that the moon landings AREN'T a hoax and we really did send human beings to the moon, and sure as rainbows someone will say that you're getting paid to be part of The Conspiracy. Go onto a "natural medicine" forum and say that homeopathy has not been proved to work (and often has been shown not to work), and you can bet that as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, a dozen people will accuse you of being a paid shill for "Big Pharma."
This is the Internet. The only possible reasons someone could ever have to post anything that disagrees with you is either (1) they're idiots or (2) someone is paying them to.
A year back, Elop justified going with Windows Phone by saying it allows Nokia differentiate its products from the competition better than what the Android choice. A year later this seems to be coming perfectly true: Nokia is well on its way to becoming the only WP shop...
I don't know if you mean this in a bad way or a good way, but I agree and I think it is a good thing for Nokia (of whom I am fond). In a year's time Nokia could be a position of offering something very different to everyone else. Time will tell on how strong a proposition that will be...
The trouble here is what one justification for the switch to WP offered by Elop was building a new "ecosystem" as an alternative to Android and iOS. Can Nokia do it on its own, with no other HW vendors? if yes (after all, Apple manages it), Nokia could just as well have gone with Meego, without paying the MS tax. But if he though of an Android-like multivendor ecosystem is needed, things are going very badly, if other HW makers than Nokia stop being interested in WP. In this case it would be a replay of Symbian (it too started as a multivendor platform, but actually wound up being proprietary to Nokia). In some ways it would be worse than Symbian, because Nokia has much less control over it, hampering innovation. (It is telling that Nokia's first "PureView" cameraphone is not a WP device).
This is fantastic news for Windows Phone. It's good to see that LG are still committed to the best smartphone operating system on the market today. It's been a bit quiet from their perspective recently, but there's no doubt in my mind that they will be working on the next generation of Windows Phones in the background to keep them on track with the Windows Phone 8 timeframe
All the haters on here just you wait once Windows Phone 8 comes out that will be the real game changer and Android will be left in it's wake. Why develop for Android when you can develop for Windows 8's fantastic metro interface and easily port the code to Windows Phone 8?
I have a LG Optimus 7 & the reason why they never sold in large numbers is simply due to the fact that its poor compared to the competition (screen quality, stupid little power button, camera button activates when I'm on a call as its in a stupid position....), LG need to make better products if they expect them to sell better. Still, it is the easiest WP to unlock & I quite like the OS ;)
Windows isn't cool, and never can be, as an entranched boring market leader due to slimey business practices and being the Thing We Use At Work and Always Goes Wrong At Home.
Recently in the UK we've suffered a hideously embarrassing TV ad campaign for the latest version of a bleedin' web browser, FFS - as if anyone cares.
It's like watching your nerdy middle-aged uncle trying to dance at a wedding, using all the latest slang, dressing like a teenager.
* shudder *
Oh dear! Someone doesn't understand the smartphone market at all.
To you and me features and function may be king, but to everyone else?
Of *course* it's a fashion accessory! Mobiles (well, the ones that want to sell in huge quantities) have been primarily a fashion accessory since the late 90s. You need the right one, and the right one is an iPhone if you're an independent thinker with good taste, or Android if you're a free-thinking non-conformist! If you don't get either of these then clearly your independent or free-thinking nature hasn't led you in the right direction, that being the one everyone else has moved in.
That said, MS and Winphone can suck my appendages, I'll not be buying one.
I've previously owned LG phones and while I've not seen a WP by them I'll go out on a limb and say that it's probably not a very good phone, just like the rest of the LG stable. As a hardware manufacturer LG have their own troubles in the smartphone space, I think it makes sense for them to concentrate on Android (which will be miles bigger than WP for the foreseeable future) given the reality of how well Samsung and HTC are doing. The fact that LG needs to concentrate its energies just to keep up with rivals is not necessarily a sign that WP itself is bad, just that it's not quite right for LG strategy in particular.
at least when such is not inhibited by lawyers and artificial monopolies. Having come late to the mobile phone feast, which it originally deemed unimportant, Microsoft can't apply the same strategy and tactics it did to monopolise the desktop. This time consumers do have a choice ; whether they will exercise it wisely is another matter....
Henri
I have a S2 because, among others:
- it can use a SD card for storage
- I can connect it to any USB port out there and copy stuff from/to it, no extra software required.
Basic basic basic stuff.
WP and iOS can not even do that, and I don't comprehend how other people can accept these limitations. But I do accept that they have different needs and different criteria.
AC always because El Reg screwed up my privacy, not because I am a shill.
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