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As expected, the High Court has ordered British ISPs to block access to The Pirate Bay. Five ISPs – Virgin Media, TalkTalk, BSkyB, Everything Everywhere and Telefonica – are involved in this case, which was brought by nine record labels. In February, Justice Arnold gave the labels the green light to pursue blocking orders. …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Censorship, plain and simple, it should be illegal no matter what is being censored...

    if a site is illegal, take it down, don't censor it!

    1. Thorne

      Ah but thats the problem. The internet is global but laws are local. The Pirate Bay is legal in it's own country as it doesn't host any pirated material. It's just a search engine for torrents and it just happens to be that some of the torrents are illegal.

      Kurdistan really doesn't care what a British judge rules and neither does the rest of the world. The judge's only option is to block the site using the filters installed under the guise of blocking kiddy porn.

      The film industry loves kiddy porn because they can ram through the filters they want and anyone speaking out against them gets labled a "supporter of kiddy porn"

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Internet 2

    Somebody suggested that perhaps it's time to point the LOIC to targets on the Internet 2.

  3. DF118
    FAIL

    Fetch the bullshit repellent, dear

    Geoff Taylor, BPI, said: "...musicians, sound engineers and video editors deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else."

    1) You're not fighting for these people Geoff, you're fighting for your members' profits, so can the emotives please we're not idiots.

    2) After the ban has been in effect for a period of 12 months, please provide evidence of the however many* extra UK sales your members made thanks to TPB being out of the picture.

    * The number seems to change so often I can't even be bothered to go and find the most recent "estimate". Let's say for the sake of argument it's eleventy threven bazillion.

    For the record, I'm not a freetard, I'm just against fucking idiotic attempts at controlling online behaviour. They won't do what they're designed to do and they're the thin end of a very large censorship wedge.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A suggestion to appease the media companies (sort of)

    According to 'their' estimates they lose 10s of BILLIONS of dollars due to piracy (cough) - as we all know 1 download equals 1 lost bum on seat at cinema (cough). SO...why don't we suggest a truce against a media organisation, and tell downloaders to leave their stuff alone for 12 months. According to their figures their profits would rise by BILLIONS (not including the lower plus court costs) so surely they could then donate a measly 1 billion dollars of that to a charity - (unless of course their figures are complete shite).

    Nah, maybe not.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Cool!

    "The operators profit from their activities," he declared, "thus they are jointly liable for the infringements committed by users."

    Does that mean, that if I infringe for profit *and* pay my taxes on that profit, someone can sue the government?

    1. Crisp

      Re: Cool!

      Yeah, I suppose you can. You can bet that someone in government is making a shed load of money out of this.

  6. wowfood
    FAIL

    The media is full of idiots. If anything since I started pirating movies / music I actually bought more CDs and DVDs why? because before I never bought any. CDs are too expensive to risk wasting money on, same with DVDs same with cinema tickets (I can buy a DVD for the same price as I can watch it at the cinema, whats up with that?)

    I stopped pirate activity of music long ago because well... its mostly shit now. As for movies any older movies I want to watch I watch through lovefilm or netflix, any newer movies I just don't watch simple as that.

    The reason their profits have dropped by billions (which I don't believe in the slightest) is because they're pricing themselves out of the market. Who will buy a single track off iTunes for £3 when you can buy an album for £12 Who will buy an album for £12 when you can buy a DVD for £15. Who will buy a DVD for £15 when it costs £10 to watch it at the cinema, + the obligatory snacks. (can't watch a movie without snacks) only to have it ruined by that twat in the front row playing with hsi phone.

    The way forward for the industry is services that either stream, or act like iTunes, but not so long as their pricing structure is so messed up. They'd see profits go up a hell of a lot if they just lowered the prices by a small amount.

    1. Mike Flex

      > Who will buy a DVD for £15 when it costs £10 to watch it at the cinema ... only to have it ruined by that twat in the front row playing with hsi phone.

      Me for one (if I don't buy the Blu-ray) for the reason you state.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Time to catch up to reality

    The whining doesn't change reality or law.

  8. MGJ

    Check the Daily Mash

    "Meanwhile Mr Justice Arnold also ruled that anyone who tells you Pirate Bay is a beacon of freedom is a stupid little child."

  9. Ol'Peculier
    Happy

    Concerts

    Musicians make more money out of tours and related merchandise anyway.

    Last year I watched the entire "The Wall" concert via YouTube - didn't stop me spending some valuable beer tokens to go and see it though. (and I'd go again...)

  10. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

    Nice canned quote.

    "musicians, sound engineers and video editors deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else"

    AFAIK, sound editors and video editors, like most professionals are paid at the point at which they do the work. Musicians may rely more on a royalty basis. Arguably, they should be paid for the work, not for the results - e.g. paid for the performance or recording, rather than doing the work once and expecting the money to keep flowing in.

    The only people really directly hurt by piracy IP theft copyright infringement are the copyright holders, who are usually the least-creative people you could imagine. They also seem to have deep pockets with which they can apply a monetary pressure upon politicians and high-court judges (allegedly). Their pockets are deep precisely because they have made a lot of money from exploiting the musicians, sound engineers and video editors. My sympathy for them is severely limited as a result.

  11. JimmyPage Silver badge
    FAIL

    If only the record companies had actually

    bothered to listen to the pirates (who started off as punters, don't forget) then they would be a lot richer right now.

  12. Zot
    Meh

    The other side of the coin...

    I work for myself on music synthesisers and and effects processors, and sell them online.

    It's quite sickening to see thousands of copies of hacked versions on the internet. We are not all corporations and greedy rich people, I want to keep the roof over my head and a nice supply of beer and kebabs, thank-you. How can I do that if people consistently want everything for free? Why would I spend months creatively making something that's ultimately not going to feed me? I wouldn't and nor would anybody else, except as a hobby. Maybe I should just cover everything in advertising? - yuck.

    Software theft is like "a good thing that can't possibly be bad, because we like it!" - *tsk* humans hey.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The other side of the coin...

      There is a small percentage of society that falsely believes they are entitled because they want. They build prisons for these types of people. It will take time but piracy will eventually be a felony with mandatory jail time for those too dumb to get in touch with reality. These people don't care about you, me , society or anything but themselves. They will get what they deserve in the end.

      1. DF118
        Facepalm

        @AC Re: The other side of the coin...

        That is such a retarded point of view. And just in case you go off at the deep end and start accusing me of being one of the people you so ineptly describe, I will just state for the record that I am referring specifically to the fact that copyright "theft"/piracy/whatever you want to call it is only a criminal matter when it is done for profit. It is that way for a reason; something you clearly don't understand.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: @AC The other side of the coin...

          What part of theft of digital property/services don't you understand? If you need someone to explain to you that it is a crime to steal copyright protected digital "art", then you must have been raised by wolves.

          The reason piracy is becoming a felony with mandatory jail time is because pirates are seriously ignorant, in denial and actually believe they are entitled to steal.

  13. Purlieu

    Felony ?

    I don't believe we yet have such a thing here in the UK. Perhaps if you wnt to the USA you might find one.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Felony ?

      Yes the U.S. and other countries are working to make piracy a felony as it should be. Maybe the pirates will finally wake up?

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Just fine them

    Just charge pirates 10,000 Euros per copy. If they can't pay send them to prison. If we need more prisons, then that will create jobs. It's all good.

  15. Drefsab

    wonder if they will block it by simply blocking DNS requests :) its going to be simple to get around anyway so may as well make it simple to implement as well as to get around. Complies with the order with minimal fuss and anyone wanting to get around it can very quickly.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Take off EVERY ZIG!

    http://piratepad.net/9Q2mWPn6UD

    come and join the fight against virgin media. help plan and colaborate our fightback against these evil actions

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