Letters will be sent to suspected copyright infringers under the Digital Economy Act in 2014, a ministry of fun top wonk outlined yesterday. The Act was passed in 2010 after voluntary agreements with ISPs failed, and set out procedures to tackle unlicensed downloads. The legislation outlined a 12-month monitoring period in which …
Was the freedom of information act a freak occurrence? It seems like the only bill in my lifetime that actually gave something to the populous, rather than reducing their rights.
Re: New laws
I heard that Tony Blair was heard saying that it was the worst thing he ever did.
Apparently, this is seen as much worse than illegally invading somewhere, infuriating a few hundred million Moslems, sending people to be tortured by US Spooks and so on.
Makes you wonder what he thinks a good idea is then...
Re: New laws
"Makes you wonder what he thinks a good idea is then..."
illegally invading somewhere, infuriating a few hundred million Moslems, sending people to be tortured by US Spooks and so on.
Red Dwarf - Polymorph
So suspected freetards will face piracy letters in 2014? Does that situation remind anyone else of that scene in Polymorph where they're all discussing what to do with the big ugly monster and Rimmer, who looks strangely like Rolf Harris, comes out with this:
"The time for talking is over. Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard and we hit it fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign"
Re: Red Dwarf - Polymorph
I think we're losing sight of the real issue here, which is: what are they going to call the team that sends the letters?
The Committee for the Location and Irradication of Technological Outlaws and their Rehabilitation Into Society?
Re: Red Dwarf - Polymorph
I can't believe that you mentioned that episode and didn't manage to shoehorn in "The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society"
Re: Red Dwarf - Polymorph
Give Quiche a chance!
I tried but it overshadowed the leaflet campaign line, the best I came up with was:
"The Committee for the Lynching of Innocent Taxpaying Organisms and Removal of their Internet Serivce"
Oh, that's good!
43 managers, one worker?
If I read this correctly, there are 43 managers and one person that does the work (Workforce: Emma de-la-Haye), sounds about right for a government department.
Re: 43 managers, one worker?
I was looking at the chart thinking it seemed like something straight out of 2012*. Then I saw the "Head of Olympic Legacy". Then I didn't know what was real any more.
Re: 43 managers, one worker?
That'll be the unpaid intern then?
Re: 43 managers, one worker?
"That'll be the unpaid intern then?"
Yup, probably right, even though HMgovt have said that even interns are subject to minimum wage regulations.
Wasn't there a flip-side to those letters, that the media industry had to have shown in the same period an intent to alter it's business practices and offer an alternative to copyright infringement?
ASDA for jobsworths
Whoever come up with that organisation chart DCMS thingy deserves to have their knackers roasted on hot coals and then freeze-dried in the Artic. These people need to be made to work at Asda for 10 years to make them human again.
Re: ASDA for jobsworths
I've seen the staff at Asda and they definitely aren't human. Particularly the shelf stackers & cleaners.
Re: ASDA for jobsworths
That's because they haven't finished the 10 year stretch...
Looks like the Big Brother logo. Got the bloody tune in my head now!!
ACS Law (part 2)
ACS were criticized by the courts for sending letters and threatening court fines for suspicion of unauthorised copying based on their IP address alone. So the threat is different in this case (cut off vs fine) but the whole process will be the same - innocent people being targetted based on 'infallable' IP address evidence. Either the media companies need to get REAL proof before getting these letters sent out or the ISPs will find themselves in the dock ala ACS - something the ISPs are keen to avoid, and to be honest I expect them to put as many hurdles in the way as possible before sending a 'strike one' letter.
In a way this is even worse in one respect - that you may have to pay (£20?) just to appeal - at least you could tell ACS to p**s off for free!
Re: ACS Law (part 2)
Or "up the ante" and sue for libel.
According to said DCMS Organisation Chart of 29 November 2011 Paul Kirkman is Head of Arts and not the Chief Executive of Broadband Delivery.
Re: Floating heads!
The 'organisational' chart appears to be a pond or a pool of -- floaters?
Re: Floating heads!
Well spotted - the article has been amended. Many thanks.
"(6)The code must provide that, where a ground mentioned in subsection (3) is relied on, the appeal must be determined in favour of the subscriber if the subscriber shows that—
(a)the act constituting the apparent infringement to which the report relates was not done by the subscriber, and
(b)the subscriber took reasonable steps to prevent other persons infringing copyright by means of the internet access service."
So your appeal would simply say:
"I am the subscriber but was not present at the property when the alleged copyright infringement occurred. Few reasonable steps can be reasonably taken as the wi-fi key is printed on the bottom of the router and access cannot be restricted. A poster has been placed on the fridge reminding other householders not to infringe copyright."
Nice bubble chart
So what's the difference between the Head of Projects, the Head of Major Projects, and the Head of Major Projects and Change other than £30,000 a year, bigger projects and the possibility that a project may change. Still at least the bubble has pointed out to us that there is a highly paid and probably unnecessary job that is vacant and up for grabs..... any takers.
I've searched the organogram carefully
But nowhere can I find a Head of Deliverance
Re: I've searched the organogram carefully
As it happens, I do know a civil servant who can play a banjo.
Wireless networks can be hacked fairly easily with the right tools...
MAC addresses can be spoofed with a single command...
So there IS no way to prove who was doing the downloading...
And the Freetards who do this all the time, will just use a pre-paid CC/Paypal to use a VPN that doesn't keep logs...
All this will do is those who do it occasionally will either stop OR start using alternate methods to hide their identity.
Yes but you can catch the kids and the casual naive user, and make an example out of them by claiming you've lost millions. Epic win.
That is precisely what I plan to do (the latter option only though).
I wouldn't hack someone's wifi because I don't want anyone else to be blamed for what I do, but running all my bittorrent traffic over a VPN is fairly cheap so I shall do that in the highly unlikely event that anyone correctly identifies my IP address.
Of course, I would actually be guilty of flouting the rights of the content owners, so they will almost certainly target 10 year old girls and 80 year old grannies rather than me.
i demand free music and films
Here in Holland, we pay a fee for every empty CD, DVD or other medium, to compensate artists for their work. As a result, In Holland it's legal to download audio and videofiles, regardless wether they're protected by copyright.
Now copyright protectors are hunting down sites that offer audio and video, as that's still illegal.
So get this, i pay for music and films through buying empty CDs, DVDs, USB sticks, or whatever other medium you can think of, so i can download them for free, but it's illegal to offer free downloads.
So i'll soon be forced to pay for music twice? once when i buy the MP3 and once when i want to slap it on disk?
Does this seem fair to you?
when i claim i have a right to free music and films, people usually chuckle, but can someone tell me what's wrong with my demand? am i being unfair, or am i treated unfairly?
you tell me, i lost track.
Re: i demand free music and films
Here in Canada we pay a fee on blank CDs (about 20p/disc) - although strangely not on blank DVDs - but it's still illegal to do just about anything
The levy doesn't quite raise enough money to pay for the administration, so none has actually gone to the major artists. But it does apply to indie musicians - they have to pay the levy on the discs they try and sell at gigs !
I'm actually surprised that of all the viruses that have done the rounds so far - to my knowledge - none have been designed to create a tunnel endpoint on the victims machine - I would of thought that would be fantastic business - a couple of hundred thousand machines with a tunnel endpoint which the virus creators could then sell access to - a VPN that terminates to pretty much any location you want. With the added benefit that any illegal activity that occurs will as far as the ISP is concerned have originated from the victims machine.
It would be a nightmare to manage oversubscriptions , and upload speeds are significantly lower as well remember.
Good idea though.
Waiting for this...
I can't wait to see this half-arsed idea fall apart.
Not only could someone illegally use your connection, but what happens when you do legally share it? Plenty of house shares about, what happens if nobody admits to it? I used to have a work contract which specified an internet connection for when I was on support. Lose the connection, lose my job, and it could have been anyone else in the house!
That is assuming the media corps actually manage to send the warnings via the ISP to the correct account in the first place... It's not like they've ever got it wrong in the past is it...
It's guilty until proven innocent. If their proof really was reliable then they could have got the account holder information from the ISP via a court order with the existing laws, but for some reason that avenue is just not good enough for them. Are they too lazy or just too incompetent?
A blind man could reverse a truck through the loopholes and cocks up... Now we just have to wait for a letter to arrive on the doormat of someone with a lawyer on speed dial.
@ Boris the Cockroach
Boris the Cockroach said,
"If any record company exec is reading this(very very unlikely) whats wrong with pricing music downloads at the artists cut + storage and infrastructure costs, theres no physical media to transport about, no shop distributers/warehouses to take a cut and with the internet you can deliver any media worldwide in the the time it takes to transmit it."
I am not a record company exec, but I have worked with more than 3000 labels in promotions. The problem I saw (and also why I quit) is nobody really knows what the law is. Each band's material has to be individually looked up. In "some cases", a music DVD you buy off the shelf which has the FBI warning on it can also be aired on a public access show. Some bands are their own label. Some bands are on big labels like UMG which are extremely restrictive, and yet some sub-labels under UMG still distribute their videos. But nobody really knows what the license is. You can say ASCAP or BMI and bluff your way through, but there's always risk.
The other dynamic here is lawyers vs artists. They're both different skillsets. While the artists just want to make music, they may not fully understand the fine print's ramifications with their label's contract upon signing.
Then the government has been added into the mix. With copyright law basically being discussed like talking about classified nukes in secret. The public is left in the dark, while a plethora of bad laws trickle out which only anger the public more. Everything being secret until the last moment. Then BOOM. Surprise more bad laws.
And yet there are some labels who are "not evil" for example Megatune. But what muscle will such bands ever get? Certainly Megatune doesn't have the muscle of EMI to make a bad ass music video. Considering 70% of the time I buy an album only after watching the bands video, this maybe troublesome.
I am working with a band right now and their label, ONLY MAKES the discs. They have no copyright to the bands music, other than to promote it a little. They don't get booked, they make their own music videos, which will never be up to par with say a video with EMI muscle behind them.
I basically quit. With the Passing of NDAA, my message is restore the Constitution, and make the copyright laws static (so we know what we are getting into) and I will be happy to come back. But the way things are now, I won't take the risk.
There's really not much to being a record exec, with all the EGO set aside, basically you produce and promote discs and you get bands to sign up. I could do it if I had more money.
And this is why they are dusting off and bringing back the Interception Modernisation Programme.
.... So they can send you threatening letters because they think you might have done something wrong? Charming.... so much for presumed innocent - this seems to be "guilty because we think you might possibly be, but we've no real proof at all"
If you haven't done anything wrong can you then sue them for deformation of character?
By the time this takes effect
By the time this takes effect most filesharers will have moved on to new means to bypass the snoopers. It's a complete waste of time and money.
no legal ground
Since the "proof" is ontained by illegallyy monitoring computers (home invasion) it is not valid to start with, the ones getting the proof(s) cannot be thruste. (MPAA/RIAA (and local branches) are guilty, in court, of so many crimes, that no serious court whould accept any proof they summit.
What is more easly faked then a log with a bunch of random IP address?
it is the job of the POLICE to investigate crimes. not the MPAA/RIAA who are the criminals in the first placed.
sueing your own customers IS NOT A BUSINESS MODEL.
Re: no legal ground
>>"Since the "proof" is ontained by illegallyy monitoring computers (home invasion) "
It's not illegal if it's made legal, whatever opinion any barrack-room lawyer might have of it.
And looking at some level at communications (likely being automated and not involving people before the point where something shows up as fairly likely dodgy activity) is hardly 'home invasion'.
Funny as always
My ISP sent me a nice email 2 days ago saying that they received a complaint for illegal use of my Internet connection. Apparently, unauthorised distribution of an animated show on eDonkey networks. A show I didn't know existed (I wish it was still the case: it is Avatar: The Last Airbender, and from what I gathered from imdb.com it's even lamer than the movie was. I feel unclean just for knowing that it exists).
Oh, I am accused of sharing a Chinese version of it, too. Because obviously I have nothing better to do with my storage and bandwidth than hosting and distributing material in a language that I don't comprehend.
I believe these 2014 letters will be sent following the same guidelines:
1) pick a random copyrighted work in hat A
2) pick a random adress in hat B
I believe some substancial money could be saved by just hiring a couple hobos and tasking them with exactly that. The result will probably be better, too.
By the by, my ISP assures me they won't take action or send my info but I will be liable if the plaintif does take action. I wonder if I should send a strongly-worded letter to the holders of the Avatar: TLA right holder. And then another one to complain about their abusive report.
I am getting a bit angry at the use of the word tard. It seems that 'tard' means someone who is doing/saying something that you don't like. For instance the word freetard. Here is some good combinations.
Lawbreakertard - FBI who knowingly takes down Megaupload illegally.
greedytard - The recording industry, smart phone manufacturers, and the politicians that they
own, trying to own it all by the use of copyrights and patents for stupid things
moraltard - Someone who is trying to tell me I am breaking the law when I copy a DVD movie
or CD that I own, to my computer's hard drive or MP3 player or tablet.
Finally the word
Retard - Anyone who takes life too seriously
Freetards most definitely are suspect
Will they ever learn nothing is free?
Re: Freetards most definitely are suspect
Next thing you know, they'll be charging for air........anyone remember Total Recall?
After all, nothing is for free.
In a democracy like America this would never happen ...
There would be a Pre-Date Department responsible for multiple years, and a Three-Strikes Department in charge of executions.
Sorry to be smug about it.
A bullet is effective
Just shoot the freetards and do the world a favor.