Re: PC Gaming a Niche activity?
Or "more" significant...
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With current-gen consoles nearing the end of their lifespans, 2012 has hardly been a golden year for game releases. But that hasn't stopped punters from getting excited at what is to come. Halo 4 US market watcher Nielson has compiled a list of the year's most anticipated games for each console and the results are not what …
Or "more" significant...
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Of course, my anecdotal evidence has as much/little validity as anyone else's.
I may be being overly pessimistic, and I'd love it if I'm wrong, but from what I see PC gaming just isn't anywhere near mainstream any more. A bit more worthless anecdotal evidence for you - In my immediate circle of friends/family/colleagues there are a lot of geek types. There are loads of consoles there - probably evenly split between PS3/360/Wii with the odd PSP and DS thrown in too. Including myself there are two of us that game on the PC.
In the interests of clarity the forum I'm talking about is digital spy - not a specialist gaming forum, but one that has a dedicated gaming section and also has a very wide range of users, everyone from proper hardcore geeks to the most computer-illiterate I've ever come across. It's as good a representation of the mainstream as anywhere else I regularly visit.
I'm emphatically _not_saying PC gaming is dead or dying, just that it's a niche (or specialist, if you prefer....) part of the overall games market. That said, to be fair on a geek oriented site like the Reg I'd expect some mention of it in this kind of article.
I use it as well, often in PS3 forum.
However the PC forum there is dead.
But then there is a Wiii lover who thinks that any Nintendo exclusive is better than any other exclusive.
....then I must be the grim reaper. Plenty of fun to be had in PC gaming, it's just not marketed as hard as console games. The best racing, flight and FPS games are all to be found on PC's, most of them PC exclusives because consoles can't handle them.
Because, really, consoles is not all there is to 'videogames'. even now.
I was looking forward to being told about titles i may find interesting, but even the ones I thought would be on the list (GW2, HL3?, ) weren't. And not even a word about how the MMO battle is heating up (which is an interesting topic all by itself, which I'd love to see some commentary about).
It's OK. We don't exist, us folks wot like things like:
Guild Wars 2
The Secret World
Neverwinter Nights - the MMORPG (even beat out TSW for best game at PAX)
I'll consider each of those worthy contenders for _my_ most anticipated list - not that I count, since non-console gaming is dead, right? :-).
Would us Brits really have any other choices? I mean, we can take it as read that this list is based on hype which is based on sequels and franchises, but the lack of originality and diversity in the 360 and PS3 lists and the emphasis on modern weapon-based gung-ho slaughter is entirely depressing.
for the list of Wii games.
Particularly as they rarely, if ever, get mentioned in this site's top 10 reviews
Now I know what to look out for reviews for
Well, I've been eagerly awaiting Legend of Grimrock - and it was released yesterday. (grimrock.net)
Hardly cutting edge stuff, but still great fun gameplay.... and it makes me think back to the golden age of gaming, when I had my Atari ST and played Dungeon Master in a darkened room.
My wife and child are going to hate you! I had no idea about LoG but am buying it tonight. Goodbye sleep hello memories of ultima underworld etc.
Trine 2 - all desktop platforms (if it's not out now, it soon will be)
Shadowrun Returns - (hopefully) all desktop platforms
I'd love to see a sequel to World of Goo.
Take your £50+ majors titles and stick 'em.
I've only heared good about this game from normal people. are there games journalists that can review kinect/move games from the point of view of the market they are aimed at.
Instant -5 points for having a dancing mini game. And from the clips looks like a poor game.
Don't compare Kinect & Move - different kettles of fish. One is a pointer and accurate measurer of controller location and orientation, also has buttons. Other is a camera with depth perception capable of tracking a players position and stance.
Move & Dancing - rubbish
Kinnect & FPS - rubbish
Kinnect & Dancing - works very well from what I have seen
Move & FPS - works very well from my own experience
This thread is so depressing. I dislike consoles with a passion, dumbed down gaming and locked in technology for kids. Being 48 years old I've seen gaming evolve from the first Space Invaders machine that I used in a motorway service station in the mid 70s to Pong at home through microcomputers (I wrote for the Spectrum) and into the glory days of full on PC gaming when every year had a new GPU and the bar was constantly being raised. Consoles are the antithesis of all that has been achieved and limit the imagination of developers and the evolution of gaming. Even more so the trend for phone gaming. It MP3 versus SACD/DVD-A all over again: quantity and convenience not quality (not universally true but near enough). Or to put it another way we're into the era of Hollywood CGI laden blockbusters for 12 year old boys (eg Transformers) and the era of 2001-A Space Odyssey and Apocalypse Now are but a distant memory. Or another way: Goodbye Beatles and Pink Floyd, hello X-Factor.
Actually consoles are at a stage that you can have a full blown game on them successfully.
Our console is more powerful than the PC is some respects despite the PC being reasonably new and a quad core.
With the modern ones a developer doesn't have to write for lots of different hardware but can optimise for one or two platforms.
There are lots of console games I think you would enjoy.
Phone games leave me cold, not interested, mobile gaming - prefer a hand held console buttons again.
So what would I recommend for a non console gamer to try?
Well Little Big Planet is unique in the console world, read up on it then say there is no imagination.
Uncharted 2 - a big action adventure game, well written and performed. possibly the showcase console game of recent years.
With you on that one
I'd say my most anticipated of the year involve things like GTA 5 and Guild Wars 2. I would definitely reserve a place for Assassin's Creed III, though, because I've been thoroughly enjoying the series so far. Max Payne 3 and Resident Evil 6 will also warrant a purchase in my books.
But yet another Halo game, not even made by Bungie? Generic faceshooters and football games? Nah.
Realms of Ancient War is looking pretty good :)
Disclaimer: I'm working on it
like Risen 2 and ARMA3
Or Planetside 2, Diablo 3, Hawken and many other things
+1 for Planetside 2!
I lacked the patience for Risen, but I'm sure I'll get Risen 2 anyway
It's a personal thing. I hate the thumb controllers.
It's almost as if the designers thought "Lets design a controller that uses the LEAST co-ordinated digit for all the fine control".
If you are in any doubt about this then try playing an FPS online against someone on a PC who is using a mouse and keyboard. You'll get yer butt kicked.
Even console games ported to PC can be bad. Batman Arkham City is one of those.
The GTA series however has always been excellently ported from Playstation to PC.
As for my most anticipated games for PC, I guess GTA5, Fallout 4, and HalfLife3 (or at least Episode 3) would be mine. That and any other game that has an extensive world to explore and some interesting challenges to solve that don't require me to have 4 prehensile thumbs in a particular position whilst standing on my schlong in a bath of green custard,.... just to get past that particular section. Having to "master" a particular key combination is BORING!! Been there done that,....... games designers, please find something new.
Lack of fine control is why I play Killzone 3 rather well and often top the scores for my team.
I struggled like hell with KZ2 and the Dual Shock, tried Move with the demo of KZ3 and never looked back.
As I have used KBM as well, Move is very close in performance and definately more fun
I second that. Control pads worked really well when I played the Super Mario Bros trilogy on the NES.
In almost all types of game except for platformers, a gamepad is a poor kludge - for FPS it is either impossible or the auto-aiming takes any and all skill out of it. For driving it is also next to useless.
I can honestly say the only recent game that I felt worked well on a gamepad (after a bit of getting used to it) was Red Dead Redemption.
Xcom: Enemy Unknown - looks seriously brilliant (for the PC), but that's pretty much it.
Got (and loved) Skyrim, Mass Effect and playing the brilliant (now Free To Play) Star trek Online (if you haven't checked it out and love Star trek it's fecking awesome and FREE)...
Played Max Payne 1 & 2 and watched the awful movie - probably not gonna bother with 3 unless it gets rave reviews for the right reasons (IE is more like an updated version of the first one with maybe intelligent enemies).
PC games are for men.
PS3 and PC - best of both worlds
colonial marines out this year?!?!? :(
Do you care? It's a long time since the Aliens franchise made something new that wasn't shit/meh, TBH.
It has Ridley Scott doing it may have another good Alien film
Diablo 3, without any doubt. Also XCOM and GTA, and MMO Planet Cyrene.
Guildwars 2 is an un-pirateable, groundbreaking MMO with no subscription for the PC.
And the DLC for Keflings.
I want to look forward to Fable : The Journey, but since Fable 3 is still full of bugs with dodgy achievements, Lionhead can suck my balls. Literally. They can place my balls in their mouth and suck them.
Tomb Raider, and if Final Fantasy Versus 13 ever gets released then that too.
I don't get hung up about it. I mostly play Eagle Dynamics' DCS flight simulations these days. A full A10C 3D cockpit with every button and switch controllable combined with a decent stick, throttle and IR tracker vs Tom Clancys HAWX on the playstation. It takes hours to learn how to fly a full pc sim to get the most out of it, whilst you can pick up the likes of HAWX and immediately start blasting away. Both games have their merits and appeal to different people.
If console games happen to get released on a PC for £2.50 (Portal 2 and Lara Croft Guardian of light spring to mind), then I'll have a go, and usually enjoy it; I even bought an Xbox 360 controller for the likes of GTA4. If a "triple-a" much hyped game is console exclusive, then meh...
Console and PC are marketing different games to different people with a little bit of crossover. It's just that console games are better advertised in the mass media whilst PC games tend to be marketed through enthusiasts' word of mouth.
black helicopters for Black Sharks on the PC....
There is plenty of crossover.
I am of to play Half Life on the PC, earlier I played Killzone PS3, a boy is on Team Fortress 2 at the moment - was on a DS earlier.
I am fed up of this pretend was between console and PC owners, they are all gamers aren't they.
Do console owners get nasty to PC gamers? No, so why do they get nasty to console gamers?
Only thing I can think of is jealousy.
I will admit I like consoles, because I use a PC all day at work and PC gaming is a LITTLE like sitting at work.
Take out the sequels and spinoffs, and how many games are left on any of those lists?
Honestly, it's like watching BBC - repeat after boring repeat with the occasional, once in a blue moon gem. Jeff Minter got it right - the "men in suits" have brought what was once a wellspring of unbridled creativity to its knees and squeezed it until only the bland was left.
Here' a tip - instead of wasting your money on [Insert AAA title] [Insert number], get onto XBLIG, PSN's Indie games or Indie City and get a few indie titles for the same money.
Support originality - support indie games!
As you said loads on PSN and co.
I still have to get Journey
Seriously, when will people stop buying DLC packaged as "new games"? FIFA 12! FIFA 13! MADDEN 12! MADDEN 13! WITH NEW PLAYER SWAPS!
Miffed that BioShock Infinite is so low on both lists. At least Resident Evil 6 seems to be up there in the top spots.
What is Madden anyway - never seen it in a shop.
As to shooter games - they are fun, but then I have never played a Call of Duty game, perhaps that is why I don't think they are all the same.
First one I played was Wolf 3D.
They may be shoot enemies, move on but some allow cover, some allow stealth, some have good stories, some have fantastic weapons, some have great vehicles.
What if funny is the similarity between of all games, Half Life 2 and Resistance 3, Mine level, Boat level, Prison level, mad weapons.