Nokia drops Lumia 900 price to $0 in response to bug outrage
Nokia is hoping an emergency rebate program will mollify American consumers who rushed out and bought the company's new flagship Windows phone - only to get bitten by a serious wireless data bug. The Lumia 900 is Nokia's big comeback phone - and also Microsoft's biggest ever shot at the mainstream US market. It was launched at …
The company will push out a patch
that won't be received cos the data doesn't work.
Re: The company will push out a patch
Patches are applied when connected to a PC, same as an iPhone, so no problem... ah, why bother, trolls will stay trolls.
Re: The company will push out a patch
I wondered why I got a square 5¼ inch square envelope in the post this morning...
Enjoy famous Windows 3.1 & outdated, unreliable C++ engineering!
Hey, it's <MS>. They don't know how to write secure or reliable code -- witness the appalling engineering practices they teach in *every single* MSDN example.
Google enjoy elegant code & map-reduce, I like OO composition & the strategy pattern, Microsoft are stuck back in 1983 at the IF statement with a hell of C-structs and undiagnosable pointer errors.
Didn't you notice how their advertising promised 'snappy performance'?
Where Google and Apple run LLVM or JVM virtual-machine opcodes, giving a fairly reliable & secure system.. Microsoft by comparison has unleashed its most junior team of Windows 3.0 C++ hacks. And you will suffer :-(
Blue screen of death, enjoy it on your Windows Phone, malware, viruses, coming here! Step right right up.
Re: Enjoy famous Windows 3.1 & outdated, unreliable C++ engineering!
You really haven't a clue what you are going on about do you
Re: Enjoy famous Windows 3.1 & outdated, unreliable C++ engineering!
You've not heard of C# and CLR then. It's only been around 10 years.
Heard of "the right tool for the job"?
The Linux kernel gets on pretty well with if statements and C-structs.
MapReduce, Strategy and Composite are patterns, not languages. As such, they can be implemented in any language - even assembly language if you so desire (I have recognised Visitor, Composite, Factory, Facet and Flyweight in really old 68k code). However, I have seen too many contrary examples to believe your assertion that using design patterns extensively is the mark of good code - good coders like patterns because they solve common problems; bad coders like patterns because they can be used to obscure how ill-thought-out their code really is.
...and incidentally, Windows Phone 7 uses the same architectural pattern as Android - a bytecode VM running in a lightweight native-code VM.
Re: Enjoy famous Windows 3.1 & outdated, unreliable C++ engineering!
You really have no clue.
The hardware on the 900 is lower-specced than the wife's iPhone. My Lumia 710 is lower-specced still, yet it easily outperforms her iPhone.
As for virtual machines and C++ you are aware, presumably, that java is the most common malware attack-vector? To the extent that most security experts recommend not using it. Ever.
One of the biggest gripes from developers is actually the *lack* of native code on WP7 as it uses *managed code*. My C# stuff also compiles down to virtual-machine op-codes. If you'd done even basic research that would have been obvious.
BSOD? Doesn't even exist on WP7. Literally not there.
Viruses? You must mean Android. Check out some Reg stories for more details.
Each ecosystem has it's ups and downs and adults can happily debate them. Uninformed MS-haters like you, though, are just an embarrassment I thought had been left behind in the school playground.
@ Dan55 Re: Enjoy famous Windows 3.1 & outdated, unreliable C++ engineering!
Windows is written in C and C++. The CLR is written in C++.
Re: @ Dan55 Enjoy famous Windows 3.1 & outdated, unreliable C++ engineering!
Windows is indeed written in C/C++ however after reading the OP's post twice you realise he's on about mobile platforms.
As for the JVM, what language do you think it's written in? Esperanto?
Re: @ Dan55 Enjoy famous Windows 3.1 & outdated, unreliable C++ engineering!
> Windows is written in C and C++. The CLR is written in C++
Unlike MacOs, iOS, Android and pretty much any virtual machines they use which are all written in... oh wait, mostly C and C++. Point status: missed.
A good example. Any one else care to follow it?
Offering the $100 rebate was probably unnecessary, as simply apologising, giving a fix date and offering an exchange would have satisfied pretty much all but the most unrealistic customers.
Still, it shows how important this launch is for Nokia. This phone is their main product for the US market, so everthing needs to go well.
You're making it wrong...
unlike certain other manufacturers...
Ooops
Well it could be worse. Imagine the embarrasment if Nokia had run an advertising campaign mocking other companies for releasing buggy phones...
http://youtu.be/quoelNJxR-o
wow. how on earth did a bug like this get missed? nokia is finished.
Fair play to them for a prompt speedy response to the problem. Other companies could learn from this level of openess.
Positive spin?
Reading the attempts by Nokia and its apologists to put a positive spin on this I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
"We shipped a phone with a show-stopping bug; we didn't bother testing it properly; we made an egregious schoolboy blunder. Better still, the phone is our flagship product and the future of the company may depend on its success or failure. A strong release was imperative. But we fouled up like never before.
And here were are, offering an instant rebate and a speedy fix to everyone who bought one! What a great company! Other companies could learn from this! Wow! Awesome!"
Nokia 'put people first'...
Which ironically enough is also the supporting slogan which MS is using heavily with their Window Phones.
Quite frankly I think this will blow over. Sure; its a nasty bug and one which shouldn't even have been there. But if you play your cards right, which I think Nokia is doing here, then you can even turn a possible major setback into a marketing strategy.
I don't like the design of the Lumia myself (prefer Samsung) but this is a recommendable action!
"remarkably decisive"
Maybe they feel the need for speed
from all the heat below their feet?
For while the world too quickly turns
the platform burns and burns and burns...
remember Windows marketing stategy
The next O/S will be so improved .. more stable .. better features
repeat for next O/S
I always thought Windows ME was purposeful shit to tout Windows 2000 and eventually XP, when Win 98 SE served most people's purposes just fine ( never had a problem with it )
Perhaps by the time they release the Nokia Lumia 5000 (following the 950, 1000, 1050...) they'll actually have tested it before release!?
- My g/f has the Lumia 610 which fails on the most basic of functions like "end call" and has to be turned off if the phone call was more than a few minutes long. Nokia took at least 2 months to work out the fix then released it in India with "other areas coming as demand dictates" - it still not being offered to UK punters!
- Then there's the 800 which has serious battery life problems for many and has the above bug too although seems less frequent on that one. Would think so for a phone that can cost £500.
- Finally we come to the 900 which just fails completely at being a phone for a "small number of users". If it was a genuine small number they'd not be giving refunds and $100 so publically.
Oddly they do make good phones, just not good smart phones and whoever runs the testing lab needs hanging by painful bits outside in the middle of a Finnish Winter.
Having had a Lumia 800 for a few months, my conclusion is that it's actually pretty good hardware let down by the OS. I've experienced most of the bugs mentioned on the Nokia forums like the never ending call, poor battery life etc but they do seem to be gradually fixing these. What kills it for me is the small OS design issues that haven't been thought out properly. For example, not being able to set a static IP address on a wireless network - it's DHCP or bust which just seems a bit crap.
pseduo-static DHCP
Most wi-fi/adsl routers allow you to map a fixed IP address to the device's MAC, so when you connect at home you'll always get the same IP address. Otherwise, they'd have to have per-wifi-point network settings in the phone, and that'll probably confuse the muggles.
> Having had a Lumia 800 for a few months, my conclusion is that it's actually pretty good hardware let down by the OS
Funny you should say that; I understand the N9 has done rather well....
The 808 Pureview is Nokia's flagship product.
Not this (still rushed) abomination of a move to market with an OS that can't do shit all when compared to S^3.
Good on them!
Though I haven't owned a Nokia in years, I must say that their prompt action (over holidays too!) has to be applauded.
They didn't do an apple. They came clean, and are fixing the issue. Its more than can be said for others in the market.
Best of luck to them!
Small OS from Microsoft is worth twice that much!
A small OS from Microsoft? How much is it worth?
Twice nothing is still nothing.
How much will you pay me to use it? Seriously, the only reason I use ANYTHING associated with Microsoft is because someone is forcing me to. I cannot recall the last time I voluntarily bought anything Microsoft was selling. The ONLY good thing I can think of to say about Microsoft is that they have done a little good against the spammers on the upstream end.
Magnificent
> How do you miss a bug as big as that?
>
> Not testing? or maybe they have a fleet of internal malcontents who would not bother
> doing anything about it if they did find out?
>
> Either way, it is a management failure.
The company that doesn't do software unites the the company that doesn't test software... and yes, this is what you get.
If the bug only affected a few early users after the launch, it's because you would have to pay any sane person to take one of these Nokia Stupidphones. Even giving them away doesn't make them attractive. It's like pig on a lipstick.
Well done Nokia, you have entirely met my expectations. Magnificent, truly and utterly magnificent.
Reminds me of a German network operator called Quam
They already marketed their product when it wasn't ready. When you became a customer, you got a free mobile phone as well as 240 DM credit for your bill. Subscription cost nearly 10 DM a month with a minimum subscription duration of 24 months....
So... you got a free phone. They were quite popular for the few weeks they did it.
It's easy to say you'll give a rebate to existing customers when there are none. WP7 is pure and utter shit imo. Nokia bet on the wrong OS and they'll probably go under because of it. Microsoft will get to keep going along attempting to get people to buy their turd of a mobile OS.
Phones 4 U
... now offering a 'free Xbox 360' when you buy the Lumia.
Yeah, the high-end business users are really going to leap at that. Try offering them a free iPad.
Re: Phones 4 U
Buy one broken product, get another one free...
Genius...
One word: desperation
The turd ecosystem is not going well.
Here's a song to Microsoft/Nokia/MicroKia/NokiSoft/WinKia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BwOXlGbW6Q
Choose Wisely
When Elop joined Nokia, he effectively had the choice between the leading smartphone OS, Android, and the trailing one from his previous employer, the seventh generation attempt at a smartphone OS from Microsoft.
The fact that he chose the one that was falling off the bottom of the graph tells you all you need to know. To expect anything decent from this platform is futile.
too bad, they jumped to wrong ship which isn't sailing well like android or ios.
many rats with drown with it.
