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Thanks heavens it’s only for photo-tagging: Apple has tossed yet another gauntlet onto the ground in its ongoing spat with Google, dropping Google Maps out of iPhoto for iOS and opting for OpenStreetMap instead. The move was the subject of speculation for a few days before being announced on the OpenStreetMap Foundation blog. …

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Re: Shot across the bow

The people saying there's no performance problem with Flash on budget Android devices (and I accept that the discussion is essentially my anecdote versus yours so there's no reason for a third party to believe any of us over the others) are missing the other significant part of my point against Flash — it's deprecated. As in, by Adobe. It will no longer be developed. One day soon it simply won't work.

I would therefore maintain that it simply isn't an option, regardless.

As for the allegations that Flash isn't on the iPhone because of greed, I strongly disagree. Flash didn't make it to Android until 2010 — three years after the iPhone's launch. That suggests it genuinely wasn't ready in 2007. I think it's more likely that Apple's initial decision was a technical one and that the subsequent fighting between the companies, from which I don't think Apple comes out looking all that good, caused it to entrench its position.

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Re: Shot across the bow

But WebM is being added so that it can be decoded in hardware. Soon newer Arm processors will be in the budget minded Android handsets anyway, so even if it it could be done in hardware, the hardware will be able to handle it anyway. So by the time that Flash does go away, the transition to WebM is already there.

Jobs didn't want Flash because it would make him lose control. You can't control what "apps" people are getting from the app store when Flash allows them to be hosted on-line anywhere.

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Re: Shot across the bow

Million, billion whats the difference?

Any company that lost $80 million and was being purchased for $12.5 million would be in bankruptcy.

You are an imbecile!

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It's really odd you missed that Apple is contravening OSM's attribution requirements - basically the data is being used illegally as it stands. From the blog post:

> "It’s also missing the necessary credit to OpenStreetMap’s contributors; we look forward to working with Apple to get that on there."

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"we look forward to working with Apple to get that on there."

Yeah. Good luck with that, sport.

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Holmes

My enemy's enemy may not be that helpful

Sure Google gets it wrong, but does it get it as wrong as often?

At least the mobile devices are the best that apple could hope for. A little snooping of the old GPS combined with the OCR on the odd picture and you have a user community that maps itself.

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I hope Apple keeps Google maps for directions

Especially for public transport. Having accurate info about which train/bus combination is the best at each time of the day is a life saver.

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I spent all yesterday trying to get OSM tiles to be served in a web-page.

I can't get my head around the x,y,z naming thing, I have top-level tile folders 8,9,10,11 and 12. Where am I going wrong?

var newLayer = new OpenLayers.Layer.OSM("New Layer", "/home/mm/Tmp/Tiles/${z}/${x}/${y}.png", {numZoomLevels: 12});

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and should ZoomLevels be 12 or 5 or what?

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Cool project

Open Street Map is pretty cool but it's not hard to find some pretty dubious information on there or roads which lacking fine detail which is present on commercial mapping services.

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Re: Cool project

It almost seems like an invitation to try to get incorrect data added to the database. I remember years back (25-ish years ago I think) when The Times added a "noticeboard" section where readers could send in details of events that would be displayed there (sort of like an early "open source listings service") ... Private Eye then issued the challenge to their readers to see what utterly obscure events could get printed their and they offered a £5 reward for an obscure event which was bumped up to £10 if the event didn't actually exist!

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Re: Cool project

As this is crowd sourced, perhaps elreg could run a competition to see if anyone could get Apples HQ renamed something less then appropriate on the maps.

Think of the fun that would result when the first Apple exec finds his press released photos were tagged as taken in Hell/Hull, Google Towers or Sinclair Research...

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A poor decision for users by Apple

This is called “throwing the baby out with the bathwater” if Apple carries on like this it could actually help Android as the balance of value tips towards Google.

Apple should leave it to users to decide what they want, oh no I forgot they are an IT Dictator.

The question is whether they will allow a third party to create an App that uses Google Maps, if not they will breach EU competition law.

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Questionable.

After all, both Garmin and TomTom have their own internal resources and so don't have to rely on Google, then there's OpenStreetMap, which is crowdsourced. Google could fire back that since there is more than one mapping repository, competition does exist, and since you don't have to use Google Maps on Android (just download an alternate mapper), consumers still have choice.

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Re: A poor decision for users by Apple

"The question is whether they will allow a third party to create an App that uses Google Maps, if not they will breach EU competition law."

there already is a third party app. It's called "TomTom App for iPhone/iPad" and users don't care whether it uses google's data or someone else's. So if you really want proper navigation be smart and BUY a proper solution.

But probably meant this: "The question is whether they will allow a third party to create a FREEWARE App that uses Google Maps"... unfortunatly that's NOT upto Apple but to the developper of that app because he would have to pay google for the aforementioned API.

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Well

At least it seems to work outside the USA...

That's an improvement.

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People aren't thinking Jobsian here

If the Jesus phone tells us that the the town is now called 'Valley of the waters' as blessed by his holiness Steve Jobs - (God rest his soul until his resurrection) then the town is now called 'Valley of waters'. It is done. Amen.

Jobs says it's in the wrong place? Someone start the iDiggers(tm).

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Freemium is the new premium.

Freemium is the new premium, freemium is the new premium, freemium is the new premium.

This mantra certainly needs practice

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Oh well

The problem with anything crowdsourced is the level of accuracy, look at wikipedia as a great example of crowdsourced stuff with lots of errors.

Your paying £600 odd quid unlocked for a smart phone and the maps option is flaky at best so that Apple dont have to pay a licence fee for a better map, thats really not a positive user experience. Its not like they cant afford to do it.

And what happens when people crowdsource some humour into the maps?

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Re: Oh well

Depends on the crowd doing the sourcing.

Here's a concrete example. In my city, two years ago, a road was extended to connect to another road, creating a significant shortcut. It took Google a good six months to put it on their maps. Then, just last month, a new motorway interchange was completed and opened: another significant shortcut. It's not on Google's maps yet, but thanks to an Android GPS tracer, i was able to add it to OSM the day after it opened (I was working the day it opened).

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Re: Oh well

"Depends on the crowd doing the sourcing."

When its just "another opensource crowd sourcing project" then the "crowd" probably will be people who want to be part of making the project succeed. However when it becomes the source of maps for an iconic brand then maybe lots of people will get the idea of feeding it with incorrect info "just for the lulz"

"Thanks to an Android GPS tracer, i was able to add it to OSM" .... then for militant fandroids it may almost be a requirement to take action to damage "the opposition"!

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Re: Oh well

Thats great Charles but not everone is as committed as you are and there is certainly scope for some amusing troll action.

I seem to recall that when David Carradine died his wiki page suggested he was killed by Ninja's and that Chuck Norris was too drunk to protect him, thats the level of amusement you get on the interwebs when stuff is crowdsourced, whilst its a laugh on wiki its a little different on a map application where the data needs to be accurate.

It wont be long before Apple users get to enjoy the spitting image map of the world.

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Re: Oh well

I only used an Android tracer because I have an Android phone and because it was handier than resorting to the hardware GPS logger I used three years ago--no fiddling with bluetooth or USB serial connections hooked up to third-party Java programs. It spat out GPX, KML, whatever you wanted in realtime, which I could then pass on to my computer easily.

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Every idiot knows that proper cartography is both extremely expensive and extremely valuable and there's no cheap shortcut to providing it. Trying to provide mapping on a global scale is well outside the resources of OSM - sooner or later Apple will have to start paying for mapping if it intends to keep on providing it. The irony is that Nokia had the best navigation of any phone manufacturer, world-class mapping on your phone that didn't even need a data connection to work.

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@ Kevin7

Nokia still HAS NavTeq.

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Here is an idea

Allow the user the choice between which service they want to use!

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Re: Here is an idea

1) Users don't get choices.

2) This is Apple. See 1.

3) The Apple Experience. See 1.

Now...Jokes aside.

To my understanding this only applies to their photo app. Which will hook into their back-end for locational data. I don't think are getting rid of Google Maps, and as far as I know Apple doesn't sell a navigation service yet.

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I look forward

to 'crowdsourcing' my own Lake Wobegon of peace and quiet inaccessible to any idiot that cant map read.

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GIGO

Look, Google got nearly all their mapping data from elsewhere. So if the original data is crap, then Google will just show crap too.

As to whether they get round and fix it. They will do eventually. I doubt that Google will have the thousands of support workers needed to handle the tons of fixes and tweaks and updates that need to be handled all over the world. Are they ignoring you, the small little person asking for the street in your poxy little village to be fixed? Probably. Because they have loads of other work to do and prioritise.

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Re: GIGO

They ORIGINALLY got their mapping data from elsewhere. Then came their Street View project, which saw fleets of Google cars literally travel the country with scanners and cameras on full. Now they have their own homegrown pool of street data to draw on. That's why they dropped the third party around 2 1/2 years ago and used their own data instead.

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Give it up already

Give it up already. Apple should simply sh*tcan its iOS and install the vastly superior Android operating system on its iPhones, iPads, iWhatever.

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Typical Apple

The only reason they're doing this is that it's free; they've also been ungracious and not acknowledge the source

http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/03/08/welcome-apple/

Mine the one with the Garmin 550 OSM maps that are properly credited

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eh

Fuck apple, now there will be more bandwidth for Android.

Good riddance assholes.

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Works for me

Google maps and navigation is more accurate than my Garmin GPS when it comes to directions.

Never any issue with errors in SoCal. The Garmin sometimes runs me around inefficiently while Navigation on Android takes the most efficient route every time.

I could care less what Apple does or does not do.

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"The OSM data – after a quick massage by Apple – is displayed when users use iPhoto’s “locate” feature to display where the photo was shot. According to the OSM Foundation, Apple has taken a data set from 2010, which it is serving from its own infrastructure."

Great service from Apple.

Oi, iPhone owner! Buy a decent phone!

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Email From The Late Jobs

Just change the name of the town.

See? It still works! All hail Jobs!

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Excellent Stuff

I don't want people using my road as a rat-run, i'm off to OSM to change it into a dead end road, that will at least stop Apple users using it...

Really Apple, using what accounts to basically a user editable Wiki for your mapping solution? Truly pathetic.

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