LulzSec SMACKDOWN: Leader Sabu turned by feds last summer
Suspects purported to be members of LulzSec have been rounded up on two continents. The international law enforcement operation was apparently aided by the infamous hacktivist group's alleged erstwhile leader, "Sabu", who secretly pled guilty to a battery of charges last August. Police arrested three men and charged a further …
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called Medusa
Might work on some level i.e.head used as a weapon against it's own kind. Probably convey something about ugly and stoned if getting creative.
If I were engaging in financial crimes, like most people on Wall Street today, I'm very happy over the manner in which police resources are utilized today, to attack protesters of fraud rather than the frauds. As a New Yorker, this is a good thing for the tax base here. Many of the Wall Street felons destroying our Country are based here, and some even pay some taxes.
everyone knows
If you are going to commit crimes be sure to bribe and or promise in the future to hire the underfunded incompetent junior regulators first. The difference between these id10ts and the Massey Energy and Big Branch mine disaster is these tools probably didn't kill anyone directly but they sure will do a lot more time.
Re: everyone knows
In fact I bet nobody will do any time at all even though 29 people died due to obvious willful negligence on the part of the Massey Energy and the MHSA gov agency.
Re: everyone knows - snitch list
I am just a bit hazy, but didn't LulzSec publish a police list last year that included snitches? Snitches that might have gotten put in ditches? Not sure. Or was that some other group? In any case, your assertion that nobody got killed needs a bit of follow up.
If it was this Lulzy group, then perhaps a bit of a turnaround to get snitched as their top hat got bitched.
Re: everyone knows - snitch list
Doubt 29 will die directly. Difference is you are innocent until broke which these twits will be long before any energy company or Rupert Murdoch.
There will be more arrests and prosecutions
The games have just begun. If you're dumb enough to hack then you're dumb enough to spend a long time in prison.
Happy Trails.
Such Precision
"maximum sentence of 124 years and six months "
This is just one of the reasons why we love you so much Uncle Sam.
Re: Such Precision
Far too lenient in my opinion - it should be a maximum of at least 500 years - maybe 6 months less for good behaviour.
"Chopped the head off the organisation"
er, you mean the one which disbanded last year?
Well done!
hmmm...
Another contributor needs English lessons!
http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/English/plead.html
Re: hmmm...
Sorry, can't be with you on that one.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pled
Hmm
Surely members of LulzSec weren't daft enough to exchange real names - don't these people watch Reservoir Dogs?
So how does Sabu know, who the other people are?
Or has the FBI been by his side monitoring the traffic he helped orchestrate and then tracking that to other people.
And given how hard it is to create an e-mail with an original name "Gary12345Banana@ X.com", how hard will it be to prosecute someone because you have evidence that www.plxdonothackmeforthelulz.com was hacked by a person using Hunky_Boss_Man as a handle - a handle that the accused has been known to use.
All I'm really saying is, this will surely be some interesting and precedence making trials.
Re: Hmm
I am somewhat flabbergasted by this as well. Surely these people knew better than meeting each other without a VPN or other measures taken to ensure anonymity... or did they?
Cops Always Talk Big
Yes kiddies, we've ARRESTED the BIGGEST BADDEST HACKER IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!!
This from the same people who arrest three guys with four pot plants and breathlessly exclaim that they had a A STREET VALUE OF SEVENTY GAZILLION DOLLARS!
My guess is that the War on Hackers® will be more or less as successful as the War on Drugs® and the War on Terror®.
Re: Cops Always Talk Big
".....My guess is that the War on Hackers® will be more or less as successful as the War on Drugs® and the War on Terror®." Personally, I think you only have to worry if they start a War On The Terminally Dumb. Then you're in the frontline.
Said it before - the World has plenty of prisons full of people that thought they were so smart and the cops so dumb. The Lulztwits have just given more evidence to support that theory.
Re: Who the hell writes it "a/k/a"?
Presumably Americans? Remember they still put full stops after abbreviations like Dr. and Mrs..
@Anonymous IV
"Presumably Americans? Remember they still put full stops after abbreviations like Dr. and Mrs.."
K&R, BSD KNF, 1TBS, Allman, GNU, or Whitesmiths?
They are all read and made sense of by any properly written C compiler. Surely the human brain can make better sense of any given written string of text than a fucking computer? Arguments over "house rules" on punctuation are bloody stupid on a world stage. Can you read it and understand it in your given language? Then kindly shut up, stop exposing your xenophobia, and get on with your life.
Furrfu!
Re: @Xenophobia
@Jake, well said. There seem to be a few commentards here, presumably British, who make snide remarks about America and its citizens. I suspect these UK contributors have never lived in the US. It's a great place, with great people. I've noticed that the US justice system seems to come in for a lot of stick, and yet it is the Americans who have a proper bill of rights. Here in Britain we have shite like libel laws and prior restraint.
I'm not saying that either system is perfect, but I would prefer to read about specific examples of badness, rather than put up with complaints that they spell things differently or use punctuation that doesn't match British English.
@Anonymous IV, at least fix your own punctuation, before criticising others.
No full stop is required if a sentence ends with a question mark or an exclamation, or a title or abbreviation which contains its own punctuation. HTH.
http://www.mantex.co.uk/2009/09/06/english-language-full-stop/
Re: Who the hell writes it "a/k/a"?
I love how I make a point about idiotic use of punctuation and it's descended into a Brits vs Americans xenophobia pissing contest. Grow up the lot of you. Idiocy knows no borders.
Re: Who the hell writes it "a/k/a"?
Actually, DF118 (if indeed that's your real name) only one person in the itty-bitty sub-thread denigrated either side of the pond's use of English.
Pints all 'round. Proper Brit 20oz pints, that is. Unless you have a yank 22oz beer handy, of course.
Re: Who the hell writes it "a/k/a"?
> if indeed that's your real name
Funny you should mention it Jake, but that's not my real name at all. So - if indeed that was an attempt at sarcasm - how on earth did you guess?
Re: Who the hell writes it "a/k/a"?
That's pronounced "jake".
::whoosh::
Re: Who the hell writes it "a/k/a"?
I'll type it any way I damn well please, Jakey boy.
was to be expected
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
The fact that their "leader" is now ratting everyone out is sad though, nobody likes a snitch.
Anonymous is an ironic name....
....when they seem to know each other.
As some guy once said, "The only way that two people can keep a secret, is if one of them is dead"
anon - "because I'm an assassin. Oh my bad, guess I'll have to kill you all now"
Not surprising, a great comrade hacker's quality smackdown.
The fundamental problem with the Internet is its lack of feedback.
If I stole someone's wallet in a pub, then I'd get walloped. But the lack of real - people type - feedback that the internet affords, means bad behaviour has rare consequences. To keep the buzz, you have to be more outrageous. It's like stress, or mental illness, you're the last person to know it's happening to you. I don't believe half the people would talk to other people on the internet the way they do, if they could actually see the person they've just upset. It's the ultimate sticking up the V's from inside the car.
It's a graveyard for the hurtful who are obsecenely clever, but bored. (Unlike real life which is a graveyard for the hurtful strong.)
They do this for lack of something meaningful, imho. I've been there, been bored, and so have most men I reckon. They're basically sitting in the house, in a scene straight from The hounds of baskerville while he's waiting for a case - that could be a scene from any number of days in my life, where just one more day with nothing to do, leads you to be down the park with a hammer. Who, genuinely IT focussed, hasn't been there.
That said, sooner or later they're going to come up against the people who won the cold war, because like the miner's unions (or Teamsters if you're american,) the government has to know if they're funded by someone else, so it has to know who they are. It's not like they're taking on my mother's coffee morning, they're taking on the people who run everything.
There should be lessons on how to stay out of jail, for bored IT guys, although I suspect their sentencing in this case will be one.
I'm Impressed
I'm impressed that they managed to find so many young people with IT skills beyond the usage of Word and Excel which is all they appear to teach at school today.
Now that these talented exceptions have been successfully removed from the employment market, this senior softy feels slightly more secure in his job. Thank you FBI et al.!
Re: I'm Impressed
I'm not. They are sciddies, running scripts written by someone else, and usually originally written with ethical intentions. They have no clue (for the most part) how to code for themselves. Don't put them on a pedestal, they haven't earned it.
Re: I'm Impressed
Actually, I'm thinking the other way round, in a Darwinian way: they got the weakest, now the stronger remaining ones will be even more creative and secretive. Probably in territories outside the Empire.
Re: I'm Impressed
"Don't put them on a pedestal, they haven't earned it."
Christ! You mean they stole the pedestal too??! Bastards!
Re: I'm Impressed
Time to toddle along to news:alt.usenet.kooks and nominate these people for the Ron Bobo award. The award is described thus:
"The ultimate achievement in the Kook Arts. Given in recognition of the lifetime work of those who rise above and beyond the call of net.looniness, the Bobo is reserved for those whose sheer quest at whatever it is they're pursuing knows Absolutely No Bounds, whether they be global humiliation, jail time, even death. Several Bobo honorees are, in fact, in jail or deceased. Think of it as the Internet's version of the Darwin Award."
The AUK pages are being rehashed, but you can find a copy of the FAQ and stuff here http://web.archive.org/web/20070505091641/http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html
I think it fair to say that these people have just qualified. Go to news:alt.usenet.kooks and make a nom if you want. If the skiddies don't know Usenet (most of the new breed of children don't know text only medium) they can go to google groups, where I suspect they'll find themselves more at home, though they need to be careful what they say. They could be LARTed, and there are ways to make sure that a k00k gets its just deserts. I'll be watching.
@Scorchio!!, Re: I'm Impressed
No. Kookifying people is counterproductive.
http://catb.org/jargon/html/F/Formosas-Law.html
Re: @Scorchio!!, I'm Impressed
I am well aware of Formosa; now give me the official diagnosis, for all of them.
Re: @Scorchio!!, I'm Impressed
I forgot to remind you that I was not 'kookifying' (as you so ineptly put it; people like me are known as kookologists, thus 'kookologising' is the correct term), merely pointing out that he is a contenduh for the Ron Bobo award. That is a different matter all together, and has bugger all to do with the KoTM, KoTY or KoTD awards or similar. The Bobo is special, and is for those who are prepared to destroy themselves online, and these boys (girls if any are involved) have done just that. Watch AUK for the news. It'll happen, believe me.
You'll find that the like of the late and great Earl Curley has this award, and his sanity was very definitely in doubt. The Bobo award is, as indicated, a form of Darwin award, and no one is barred from such awards. To understand the origin of Formosa's law see this link; http://www.answers.com/topic/formosa-s-law
The dead cannot by definition be bothered.
HTH,
They had it coming
Maybe there's something to this "security though obscurity" thing after all. It seems it's hard to be famous and anonymous at the same time. I can't say it surprises me.
Lulzsec - "look we've managed to get the snitch list can you believe that?....er hold on.... Hector -- there seems to be someone with the same name as you on the list?!"
Hector Xavier Monsegur - "I duno guys -- must be a coincidence"...
I feel safer already.
Now netizens can safely surf the intertubes again!
that is why really hackers*
-always work alone.
-never tell any other soul what they have done, they might participate in hacking discussions, but they will never try to get attention by saying "well, I hacked this site".
-learn for the sake of learning, and never keep trophies.
* yes, I started using this word as well
There you are you young stupid naive idiots, the long arm of the law WILL get you in the end, no matter how much you think you can hide behind fake IP addresses etc.
Reality will always wins over cyber
What happens next...
How long before he gets offered a job to work WITH the FBI/Government on covering up all these security holes?
News International Business as Usual
"an unnamed FBI official involved with the investigation told FoxNews"
I wonder how much that unnamed FBI official was paid and how long she or he has been working as a mole inside the FBI for News International.
Proportionality
It's hard to claim that any of this lot were in the right by hacking all and sundry, but you have to make the punishment fit the crime, and I can't help but wonder that "124 years and six months" is a bit much for what seems to amount in most cases here to kids acting irresponsibly. Surely a bit of community service is more likely to rehabilitate than prison. Justice, after all, should be about outcomes, not about vengeance.
Re: Proportionality
If you knock over 124 liquor stores and each offense carries a 6 month penalty, that's a maximum of 62 years in prison. Hacking is no different except it's a heck of a lot easier to knock of 124 liquor stores in a couple of sessions. Real world, real consequences. The sooner idjits learn that, the better off we will all be.
Re: Proportionality
"The sooner idjits learn that, the better off we will all be."
<Judge Roy Bean>
Hang 'em
</Judge Roy Bean>
Pointed, webbed and scrammed. Good.
...and they might learn that, in prison, they don't play Eve Online, but a whole lot of different games.
Grauniad
Today's Guardian takes the expected view that these people are zorro-like heroes because they smash other people's computers. Why is a person a dick if they rob/vandelize property, but a hero if they trash other people's computers?
The terms 'genius' and 'brilliant' are bandied as usual, and the back story is also somewhat familiar: Disgruntled IT worker, a bit inadequate, unemployed, has a hack. Thinks he is brainier than the cops, his old boss, FBI, everyone. He isn't, and winds up in custody.
If anyone was clever here, it was the engineers at the FBI, but that idea is not something the Guardian could compute.
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