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Former British Prime Minister Anthony Charles Lynton Blair was RSA's pick to close out their annual security conference in San Francisco, and he took the opportunity to bash WikiLeaks as "disgraceful." Blair took time out from his busy official role of bringing peace to the Middle East to pad his pockets speak for an unspecified …

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Anonymous Coward

Re-Wording plus a closer suggestion to the RSA CONF "2013"

Politicians may say and believe they need to have private communications, but at the same time there are psychopathic oath breakers who threaten our way of life that have to be stopped.

You can't have a situation where you're claiming issues of extraordinary sensitivity and say there has to be complete secrecy just so you can hide treason, murder, theft and domestic or international terrorism.

It will never again be up to the mainstream media to provide clear facts, they have burned their bridges and continue to burn even more to this very moment. You don't stab people in the back 9 inches, then pull the knife out 3 inches, and expect things to be well. Even if the knife was completely removed, and I remind you it ain't, there must be healing of the wound before any further dialog. In the US this is a failure of POTUS appointing the FCC who the big 5 tow the establishment line with. Until the PEOPLE control the public spectrum and not corporations and the president, this won't change here, I don't know about the UK though I'd assume some psychopathic crap along the same lines is playing out.

Dear RSA CONFERENCE,

Give us 16/32 and 64 KB AES Keys!! AES 512 is not enough, do the math.

Second, next time invite George Noory, or Art Bell, or Alex Jones, or Jesse Ventura, or Ron Paul, or Wayne Green.

Any one of them would have been much better.

Outside the US conference closers?

how about that Saudi King guy (sorry I forget the name) who taught his country to do ham radio

how about the cops who have been dismantling the stealth 2nd communications network in Mexico.

how about the people who cut communications in those countries like Egypt, etc.

anyone who repaired the broken undersea cables.

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An innovative leader!

http://original.antiwar.com/pilger/2012/02/16/time-to-recognize-the-blair-governments-criminality/

'In the kabuki theater of British parliamentary politics, great crimes do not happen and criminals go free. It is theater after all; the pirouettes matter, not actions taken at remove in distance and culture from their consequences. It is a secure arrangement guarded by cast and critics alike. The farewell speech of one of the most artful, Tony Blair, had "a sense of moral conviction running through it," effused the television presenter Jon Snow, as if Blair’s appeal to kabuki devotees was mystical. That he was a war criminal was irrelevant.

....Deploying sinecures of "peace-making" and "development" that allow him to replenish the fortune accumulated since leaving Downing Street, Blair’s jackdaw travels are concentrated on the Gulf sheikhdoms, the US, Israel and safe havens like the small African nation of Rwanda. Since 2007, Blair has made seven visits to Rwanda, where he has access to a private jet supplied by President Paul Kagame. Kagame’s regime, whose opponents have been silenced brutally on trumped-up charges, is "innovative" and a "leader" in Africa, says Blair.'

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Anonymous Coward

The best Former Prime Minster...

that money can buy.

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How can someone who has legitimately caused the deaths of hundreds of his own countrymen and women be recognised and reported as having an opinion on exposing lies and deceit by government pissants.

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@Jeebus

Please, spare a moment for the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis.

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deaths of hundreds of his own countrymen and women

deaths of thousands of his own countrymen and women...

there! fixed it for you

and the million or so arabs dont really count :-)

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@Schorchio!!

"Please, spare a moment for the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis."

That is at least 1 million and probably as many as 1.5 million - NOT including the maimed, bereaved, and homeless, stateless refugees (who number 4-5 million or more).

Please note that 1.5 million is exactly quarter of the number (6 million) usually associated with The Holocaust. (See, for example, http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=120 which was only up until 2007). Yet no one has been hanged yet.

Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that in our glorious free democracy, no one can even be indicted of a crime without the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions. Who never agrees to bring charges against "people like us".

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Re: @Schorchio!!

I err on the side of caution because the BMA stats were shown to be erroneous, and because I like to have an irrefutable dataset when thinking of capital punishment! However, I'll be happy to see the full set produced in court, with Jeb and Tone sitting next to one another, holding hands and praying to their god.

The comparison with the holocaust is apt, and I note that the Jews are one of the 5 Semitic tribes, one of which was in Babylon IIRC. Always worth remembering.

Otherwise I apologise for the surge of anger in my post. The sight of that smug, sh*t eating grin with its massive bank balance is sometimes more than the honest man in me can bear. No wait. I've just thought of something... ...actually, no. I've just exercised restraint and cut my comments about using my ex military skills as a marksman on a drop forged, bolt action rifle. That would never do. Unless passed into law of course.

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Re: @Schorchio!!

" Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that in our glorious free democracy, no one can even be indicted of a crime without the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions. Who never agrees to bring charges against "people like us" "

Perhaps we can change and emulate Iceland;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17254544

How I wish, fervently. The things done by to our country by these experimenters were very badly wrong. They had no right.

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It's easy to tell that his speech was a long string of complete blatant shameless lies.

His mouth was open.

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"very little knowledge of technology"

That of course is *not* an apology for all of the grossly intrusive *lifetime* surveillance polices (ANPR is 5 yrs and growing, and how is DNA retention changing? They may have cut the Forensic Science Service yet that still seems get funding, either in house or "outsourced")

Just that he does not understand it and (of course) relied on his "advisers"

Who knew they would be a collection of senior civil servants with a data fetish and a group of suppliers looking to make serious money on the contracts?

History tends to judge leaders. So far the *only* long term achievement of the whole Labor govt they should be proud of would be the setting of a minimum wage, which IIRC was done at Browns prompting.

So did attendees think they got their money's worth with him for the keynote? You did pay it.

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Pint

You missed a word from the title...

I think that the missing word was "through".

Peace to all.

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One Chance

can someone, pro Blair, pro whatever give me an example where we need secrecy, where we need no meeting minutes, where we need no transparency that benefits society as a whole?

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Re: One Chance

I don't think Mr Assad reads this forum.

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Anonymous Coward

Tony who?

Oh, you mean that poodle who allowed Bush to tickle his belly ion public?

What about him and who gives a fuck what he thinks?

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Bob Loblaw

Blair blair blair, blah blah blah.

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Was he born evil, or did the absolute power corrupt him absolutely?

Traditionally you could sum up each major party in 1 word, which was basically your choice at elections; Tories=Corruption, Labour=Incompetence, Liberals=Clueless.

"New" labour stole the tory corruption element, whereas with the current Tories in power it's the other way round.

Britain needs another prime Minister who lies to start wars for his own personal financial gain.

Britain needs another Chancellor who is happy to send soldiers out to die in some desert for a pointless cause, and to make sure this happens refuses to pay to equip them.

Britain needs another Home Secretary who fiddles their porn.

Britain needs another Borders and Immigration minister who fiddles his tampons.

Britain needs another Childrens Minister who fiddles his poppies at remembrance ceremonies,

And Britain certainly needs another Prime Minister who promises, on the day he is elected, to "not only be whiter than white, but to be seen to be whiter than white". So, how did that work out for you then, Tony?

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Re: Was he born evil, or did the absolute power corrupt him absolutely?

Also on the day he was elected he announced a jihad against unmarried mothers...that portion of the population who have least time and money to defend themselves and who had most cause to expect support from a "Labour" government. I knew things weren't going to go well then; but he still managed to surpass my lowest expectations.

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@Bob Vistakin

"Traditionally you could sum up each major party in 1 word, which was basically your choice at elections; Tories=Corruption, Labour=Incompetence, Liberals=Clueless."

Historically Conservatives caused sex scandals, Labor called corruption scandals.

"Was he born evil, or did the absolute power corrupt him absolutely?"

I suspect that a study of people who actually *become* politicians will show they have certain genetic "pre-dispositions." Like the alcoholism gene.

In their cases it will be a collection of behaviors, some of which will make alcoholism seem *trivial*. In Blair's case it looks like a pronounced mis trust in ordinary people grossly *disproportionate* to the threat they present, coupled with a messianic belief he is right.

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Re: Was he born evil, or did the absolute power corrupt him absolutely?

They're all just bleeding into one another ; I don't perceive any major differences between them now.

Watching the Conservatives lambast Labour for continuing with the PFI schemes that the Conservatives themselves introduced, particularly when you know that they too will continue with them, is the soul of irony.

At least with the fire and brimstone socialists you knew what they stood for. All the current lot will kiss your baby and shake your hand while promising eminently reasonable dreams to the public, while either quaking in their Gucci shoes or salivating internally at the thought of their corporate masters.

And the corporates fear and hate the internet (at the same time as they love it), because it gives the commoners the means to organise and communicate. Hence we have the BBC publishing "opinion pieces" that we should tear it all down and start again with something that can be controlled. They propose legislation that mandates tracking all email, phone, and social media communications. We have computer systems (predominantly phones, for now) designed to ignore the commands of their users and do the bidding of their corporate masters.

What to do, what to do....

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Mushroom

Politicians need privacy

To do the self-serving sneaky shit they do without fear of being outed.

Can you actually get a Doctorate in disingenuity these days cos they all seem to have one.

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Fixed it for you

The original quote appears to have a full stop missing. I believe it should read:

"...at the same time there are people who threaten our way of life that have to be stopped. Politicians."

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Re: Fixed it for you

Damn! -beat me to it!

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Re: Fixed it for you

Bugger! Me too, but I actually typed it. And can't edit it now. You win, Mr. Coward.

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He has changed my mind

It is worth listening to world leaders when they have something to say.

I was ambivalent about WikiLeaks, and about Assange, but if that c*nt is opposed to it I am going to become a true believer.

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self serving - lying shitbag - mass murdering fuckwit in favour of using state secrecy to cover up lies and incompetence....

film at 11

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Stop

Choose your weapons

A slow hand-clap or just don't turn up.

About time the crowd learned to deal with its content discontent.

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Re: Choose your weapons

eat about 6 dozen eggs beforehand and sit in the front row blowing off

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Well Done

When I started reading this thread I intended to jump in and stick the boot in to this lying prick Blair but you seem to have covered it pretty comprehensively, well done all.

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Tony Blair is a King!

You know, like that one they say tried to command the waves. Only spelt different.

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Re: Tony Blair is a King!

It would seem that you did not hear him, after he was pus^HAhed and resigned; you are all blessed. Ah, lovely.

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Re: Tony Blair is a King!

*that* king was tryin to demonstrate that no one was above god. So I think you aretty much spot on with the corrected spelling name.

I remeber watching V for vendetta and thinking John Hurt looked just like blair

ironic really tha a labour leader was the 2nd comming of thatcher, even to the point of having a wek leader follow to try and ssave face when their party was defeated on the next eletion.

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Tony Blehrrrr!

I really hate that man. Such a bloody hypocrite. Courts the scum of the tabloids and then jokes at their expense. Make very strong statements on topics he freely admits he knows nothing about. I really don't like him at all. Blehrrr!!

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But, Ian, why the superfluous qualifier «tech»

in «tech know-nothing» to describe our beloved Anthony Charles Lynton Blair ? Was it in order to preserve that other qualifier «self-confessed» ? The most pressing current problem with Mr Blair is that he is not «confessing» to the mulititudinous crimes against the peace and other war crimes for which he - and his bosom cronies like Willian Jefferson Clinton and George Walker Bush - are responsible (I almost wrote «bear responsibility», but of course, none of these people have ever borne - and it is unfortunately unlikely that they will ever be forced to bear - responsibility for their actions) before a tribunal at Den Haag (or elsewhere). The idea of the despicable Mr Blair referring to something other than himself as «disgraceful» would be ineffable, were it not for the fact that he has made a career of it. Note that the RSA is allowed to deduct the no doubt considerable fee paid to Mr Blair for his mouthings as a «business expense» - see there, a tax loophole that can and should immediate be closed to help bring the US federal budget into balance !...

Henri

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What money can't buy

All post war Prime Ministers under Queen Elizabeth II have either been created at Knight of the Garter or given a peerage. Tony & Gordon have received nothing.

Order of the Garter is the most prestigious order of knighthood in the UK and its award is the personal prerogative of the Queen. The order is restricted to a membership of 24 knights. Two new knights were appointed in 2011 so there were posts available if the Queen wished to appoint them.

This is probably the the only way the Queen has of giving these two bar stewards that time honoured English salute.

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What money can't buy .... Pennsylvania Avenue Access

Plenty of Proxy Foxy Recharging White Knights always available to fill that position, .... of that you can be sure. Garters are earnt, not rewards with Right Royal Access to Ancient Treats and such Presumptions. Flights of Fabulous Fantasy in Streams of Virtual Reality.

Capiche, AIRenegade?

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Man, I am glad I got in early with this thread. It took me forever to upvote all those comments.

Is that what Windows 8 feels like?

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tony blair makes the scum of the earth look good

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@The Alpha Klutz

"tony blair makes the scum of the earth look good"

Until I read this I thought that ToniBler *was* the scum of the earth. I stand corrected.

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Wow

Tony's even less popular than MS, Google and Apple put together!

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Re: Wow

Now you have achieved enlightenment, Grasshopper, try to imagine this infinitely larger.

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I have a definition for him...

It's those people in life who do no good, are seen as lazy, tell lies to go up the ladder, lick the arses of the people they should respect and then kick them down when they're above them.

This TB guy is just one of those bull$*itters in life. Selfish little mongrel of a human being. All I'll remember him for is bursting the UKs financial stability by letting an incompetent man called Brown make it burst after he left (when he knew the ship was sinking).

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Did the US really annoy Blair?

and in return he gives wikileaks massive credibility the only way he can?

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Dear El Reg,

As a site I trust to bring me entertaining and sometimes informative technology stories, I find myself troubled by the fact that you're giving space to a lying, deceitful, bag of shit who brought politics in this country into disrepute. Please revert to giving us space to have pointless arguments about operating systems.

Yours,

Not anonymous because when the black helicopters some for me I want the Reg to be here to cover it.

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"As a site I trust to bring me entertaining and sometimes informative technology stories"

Damned by faint praise.

C.

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"I was in Washington for meetings yesterday, and I have to be able to speak frankly. You can't have a situation where" the public who elect you know what you're doing.

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Of Simulation and Dissimulation

Francis Bacon's essay of the same title starts off:

DISSIMULATION is but a faint kind of policy, or wisdom; for it asketh a strong wit, and a strong heart, to know when to tell truth, and to do it. Therefore it is the weaker sort of politics, that are the great dissemblers.

http://www.authorama.com/essays-of-francis-bacon-7.html

Besides still being a relevant observation on the value of privacy (rendered as "closeness, reservation, and secrecy"), it's also telling as an indictment of Bush and Blair. All politicians lie, and we expect them to "dissemble" (pretend not to be what they are) and "simulate" (pretend to be what they are not) to some degree of another, and as appropriate to the circumstances. However, these men have taken simulation and dissimulation to such a level that one wonders if they are the only ones who cannot see their lies as anything but transparent falsehoods. Such people are beyond being merely immoral---they are outright dangerous.

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The RSA are obviously retards for even considering giving this thing any exposure.

This "Tony Blair" thing is completely corrupt, a blatant liar and part of the corrosive corporatist traffic which goes to and fro between government and crony-capitalist corporations; to put is bluntly, he is an enemy of progress, an enemy of freedom, an enemy of genuine capitalism, and an enemy of the human race, like many in the political class!

The sooner this parasite disappears from perception _permanently_ the better!

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That he continues

To line his own pockets while his wife does the same from Public Purse (legal aid) and we taxpayers foot the security bill for him

It's akin to us paying to guard an overpaid footballer with a singer(?) wife the rest of their lives

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it's a shame

that Blair only feels that way about democracy now. If we'd had democracy in '03 then one man wouldn't have been able to take the country to war against the wishes of the vast majority of the population*. That's right - I'm looking at you T.

* A little side note for our American cousins. This shouldn't be news to you by now, but please remember that the people of the UK were an unwilling party to the coalition of the willing.

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