Members of Anonymous have released an intercept of a conference call between investigators at the FBI and Scotland Yard during which operations against hacktivist group were discussed. During the 17-minute call – which was released as an MP3 file and distributed on YouTube and elsewhere – investigators can be heard discussing …
i am speechless
why are we even working closely with these muppets lol.
the minimum should be all internet calls through their own conference server and an admin looking at who is actually connected and all verified by IP.
i wonder how many people will be sacked over this
Let me take a guess...
None. They will, however, demand a budget increase.
For those asking about the access code, it was 6513211#
The point is if you send an email with the time and date of such a call, along with the access code to around 40 different people around the world (which is what was done) and the email server of one of the recipients in compromised, then it does not matter how complicated the PIN is. Grep'ing certain names or keywords makes finding such emails easy.
How about, it's the Feds 'pretending' to be Anonymous, doing naughty deeds with the internet so as to get support for controlling the internet?
I can verify that this is not gov't types pretending to be hackers, i can verify that there own networks and communications are compromised....and ya can't chang that system cause to do so will cost huge bucks, BUCKS the usa don't have.....nor does britain...
remember remember the 5th of november.....
http://www.uha1.com/15-mug.jpg <----- a little reminder from ten years or so back
I think I've been in an IRC with Ryan
around the setting up of the new Encyclopaedia Dramatica. Should I expect cops?
So which side of the pond are these people going to disappear on ? Maybe the US/UK will work together in a joint disappearance effort .
Yes - that seems very plausible.
It feels appropriate and opportune to haul this out for another airing
Davos, Switzerland. February 8, 1996.
Full text at wherever your google search delivers you.
"Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.
You have no moral right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear.
You do not know our culture, our ethics, or the unwritten codes that already provide our society more order than could be obtained by any of your impositions.
"You claim there are problems among us that you need to solve. You use this claim as an excuse to invade our precincts.
"Your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us. They are all based on matter, and there is no matter here.
"You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves.
"These increasingly hostile and colonial measures place us in the same position as those previous lovers of freedom and self-determination who had to reject the authorities of distant, uninformed powers. We must declare our virtual selves immune to your sovereignty, even as we continue to consent to your rule over our bodies. We will spread ourselves across the Planet so that no one can arrest our thoughts.
"We will create a civilization of the Mind in Cyberspace. May it be more humane and fair than the world your governments have made before."
Yeah, an "Irresponsibility Manifesto". That'll work.
Let's see how long that idiotic "cyberspace" concept lasts when nobody's paying for the internet's infrastructure. Or do you think the internet runs on sunshine and rainbows too?
Someone's paying for the electricity—you know, the stuff that most countries have to create by burning fossil fuels or some other equally nasty source of energy. The same stuff that has been the cause of wars throughout the planet. The internet has done fuck all to reduce the developed world's appetite for energy—quite the opposite, in fact—so feel free to explain how you're going to run your Neverland on windmills and sunlight when there's no wind and it's the middle of the night.
Someone is paying for the physical connections, the routers, the servers, and all their maintenance too. In most cases, that "someone" is capitalism. People want email and access to the world-wide web for a reason, not just because it's there. Modern businesses cannot function without internet access now.
Where do you think most of your internet tools—the World Wide Web, FTP, email, etc.—were invented? In someone's spare bedroom? No: they were invented in government-funded research labs. You don't get to have it both ways: these are tools created by governments, so if you want to turn around and bite off the hand that fed you, you have no right to complain about the consequences.
All those "someones" are actual people, in the real world, who have every right to a say on how that money is spent.
As for "Your legal concepts of property... do not apply to us. They are all based on matter, and there is no matter here." Seriously?
So you won't mind if I hack into your bank account and cut and paste all your money into mine, leaving you destitute and living on the street, without any means to pay for your internet habit?
No? So you DO have a concept of "property" then!
The Internet is a fucking communication's network. That is all. Get over yourselves.
No, I think
"capitalism" runs on sunshine and unicorns and making shit up for profit and stealing from people who can't fight back.
Do you think Bill Gates got rich by writing good software? Do you? Really? Huh?
The Internet, meanwhile, runs electricity and *brain power.*
In case you haven't noticed, quite a lot of the software that makes it work was developed by people for free. Quite a lot of the rest fell out of government-funded (oh, the horror...) research programs.
And as for the electricity - if it weren't for loud fundamentalists like you and the political interference of idiot energy corporations genuflecting to the all-powerful god of 'free markets - if, in fact, we did proper rational planning and foresight and strategy as a culture, instead of leaving planning to coke-snorting barrow boy traders and peri-menopausal executives - energy would be cheaper, more reliable, and less in need of military support.
But we don't.
Which is why we still have people like you yelling loudly and irrationally that this fiasco is some kind of win for our species, instead of the epic and hugely embarrassing fail that it really is.
"The Internet is a fucking communication's network. That is all. Get over yourselves."
WRONG we paid for it
our taxes our buying products etc
it should belong to all of us
NOT 1% elite
you think all that money means anything to me ? ALL the cash they have and they still cant control the world should tell you something
"WRONG we paid for it...." Really? Please do account for what overwhelming amount of taxes you have personally paid that you think gives you the self-imposed right to tell the rest of us what to do?
".....NOT 1% elite....." More of the "we are the 99%" rubbish, sprouted by the tiny 0.00001% minority.
"....you think all that money means anything to me ?..." I think you don't have any, which is obvious by your ranting about "elite" and money in the first place.
Ah, so that's what FBI stands for
Face Book Interface.
Boot, meet other foot
It's OK for them to tap calls willy nilly but shock horror and OUTRAGE!
When they get a bit of their own medecine, eh?
The difference between a legal and illegal wiretap is mostly your job title while you're doing it.
if this is anonymous
and i do have doubts then lads surely you should have kept your powder dry on this one (saved it till we really need it). nice idea though.
The real joke is
Invited call participants: 40
Actual call participants: 3 (IIRC).
Two thirds of those were in America.
So much for the international law-and-order movement to control hacking.
I am minded to consider
that a hollywood cabal is seeking to control internet usage in a way that no government has yet managed.
To sieze persons and property outwith their national boundaries by having the FBI act on their behalf, who,in turn, activate overseas law-enforcement by proxy e.g. NZ recently.
The recurring hacks visited by the Anonymous collective and aimed at such old-world entities, are not so much a shot across the bows of those who seek control of the free internet, as a massive firework display which says 'you can not control us but we can shaft you with impunity', or words to that effect..
THEY whomever THEY are are but a small slice of hackers that can and will join in this war on our freedoms we are watching.....never for get that
RE: I am minded to consider
"....we can shaft you with impunity...." Yeah, tell that to Ryan Cleary, Matthew George, Jake Davis, and those are just the ones old enough to be named, most of the Anonyputz skiddies caught have been just that, minors. I hear Kevin Mitnick, Rafael Nunez, Robert Butyka all thought they were uncatchable too.
Whats wrong with Sheffield.
They deserve a rubber glove rummage for slating my beloved home town.
... just for using the word Cockwombles, luv it, carry on :)
What do you guys know about SAS?
It's insecure. It's dial-up. It's impossible.
I got it, kid. What do you got?
that old system was replaced in late 90's
nuff said by time you saw the movie its already old
Do we know this is real?
Because they could just have made the whole recording themselves, to make them seem 'scarier'!
As they know the news channels will go for the scare stories every time.
Anonymous also hacked half a dozen police websites
ya think the federal network is compromised yet?
OH nooos terrowists are gonna harm me now
Old Chinese curses
1. May you live in interesting times.
2. May you be of interest to powerful people.
Silly thing to do really. They, the Met and the FBI have the power to find and prosecute.
Good to know the Met have their finger on the pulse
I wonder if they even know where Sheffield is. They appear to show a marked lack of knowledge, concern or respect for the world outside the M25. They appear to show a marked lack of knowledge, concern or respect for the world of online security.
Perhaps it's true what they say about London weighting: Wages weighted + 25%, IQ requirement weighted - 50%.
Fair does. FBI in discusses hackers, who are actually hacking the FBI shocker. On the plus side, the FBI has them bang to rights ;)