Apple has told the Dutch court it expects Samsung to write to all its European dealers recalling Galaxy phones and tablets, with stock to be returned within 14 days at Samsung's expense. The letter, seen by Dutch publication Webwereld, requires all stocks to be immediately shipped back to the Netherlands (where Samsung handles …
Can't wait for the fanbois to flame me now whoohoo! lol
Oh do shut up.
You missed the Joke Icon on your post
A <-- "The post is required, and must contain letters" - there it is
On who's authority?
The injunction they got has been shown to be seriously flawed and has been overturned. They haven't reached the dutch court yet so no decision has been made and that doesn't even take into account the fact that the whole design patent is a joke that should never have been granted. Don't we have some kind of law to prevent frivolous lawsuits? Something with a megabucks fine to show them we aren't happy about it.
Bloody stupid children....
... with bloody huge pockets.
I mean really. When you think about it, a tablet is a screen without a keyboard. How many shapes could it be ? Corners don't come in that many variations and Apple seems to be saying "all rounded corners are Apples...."
Pathetic f#@!ing morons, all of them.
This Apple crowd need a bloody nose.
They have done some pretty UI stuff. That's it . Zilch other real innovation.
I designed a small tablet with touch screen back in 1987. Basically any such device has certain obvious features that NO-ONE should be able to copyright or patent as they are too obvious.
1) Rectangular as skinny as possible.
2) Rounded corners.
3) Screen takes as much of front as is possible.
4) Icons on the main screen for all the commonly used functions (Since Xerox in 1970s)
5) Maybe a button or two separate from screen.
My was called the Pen and Pad.
The "pen" had a 2.5mm optically read ball and option for ink (as you can make IR transparent black or coloured ink). Microphone near tip, Earphone at top. Three buttons. WiFi, Bluetooth etc didn't exist then so the Cordless link for voice and data from Pen to Pad was 60kHz Ultrasound. OK the FM receiver had doppler shift issues if you waved it about too much.
If any good lawyer wants to work on a no-win-no-fee maybe the lapsed patent can be revived and we sue EVERY blue tooth headset maker .... :-) I don't think so.
It's time Judges, Juries and patent offices did some real research and stop all this nonsense.
Of course there was the same thing in 1920s over valves and 1930s, 1940s on Radio and TV patents.
Not to mention the despicable behaviour of "Enforcers" of Cine Camera patents at the dawn of Cinema (Nickelodeon isn't a Documentary, but it gives the flavour well).
"Since Xerox in 1970s"
Apple ripped off Xerox and no-one else should be allowed to copy them doing so!
Almost worth buying one
Just so you can email Jobs and have 'Sent from my Galaxy 10.1' in the signature.
You do know that ..
you could just do that anyway ?
"sent from my Galaxy Tab 10.1"
You sir, are truly an evil genius.
I doff my cap to you.
You do know that ...
I just have
for the lols
it would be worth getting everyone who hates apple to all send St Jobbs a email with thet offending tag line in the sig, just to see if he would spontaneously combust in his own fit of anger...
There's nothing evil about protecting your work and designs. If it was some little outfit claiming the patent against Apple you'd be praising them as the new messiah.
When Apple released the first *good* laptop and got Sony to manufacture them, the first thing Sony did was to make their own clones and jump into bed with Windows, so in Apple's shoes I'd be doing everything possible to make sure competitors weren't profiting from my work.
And this picture says it all..
Design? What design?
A rectangle with rounded corners? You mean, like every flat screen LCD, LED and plasma screen made over the last how many years?
How exactly did Apple "design" a rectangle?
Re: Nothing evil
the link that you posted looks like, Windows XP vs Android. Android was built from day-one to use a touchscreen, Windows XP wasn't. Plus the older Windows XP tablets were built with cooperates in mind. Those XP tables were meant to allow workers to continue using their ERP from the field, hence the ugly by steady design. You could use those tablets while you are repairing a tank!
sorry mate, wrong example.
own work and designs? LMAO
apple only wishes it was their own design
have a close look at this and then tell me jobs shat out the ipad in a cloud of diamond dust and unicorn vomit.
i pray for knight-ridder to appear in court when apples lawyers are in full flow and introduce themselves with a polite "excuse me, heres a summons you arrogant tossers."
or perhaps i should just email a copy of that story to the judge concerned and laugh as apple sinks in flames.
A quick look on google and I found this from 2007.
Rounded corners, shine surface with screen. If touch screen technology was availible then it would have been used. And just for the record Apple pay Creative for nicking its design for its control interface.
Sorry I got a little confused when you said Aplle released the 1st good laptop & Sony copied it.
I seem to remember NEC & Toshiba amongst others releasing good laptops before Apple.
Oh right a laptop is only good if it's from Apple.
Lets see thin with rounded edges, that sounds like a credit card, perhaps Apple will sue credit card companies too.
Ok, a more accurate picture for the iPad side would have simply have been a blank space before the iPad as there weren't any iPad clones (modern tablet computers as you call them) before the iPad. Just heavy, slow flattened PCs that consumers weren't interested in.
And yes, android was built from day one to use a touchscreen, because it's was built as a copy of iOS. even then, it wasn't designed for tablets and there are still iPad clones out there being released with non tablet versions of Android for unwary consumers to buy thinking they're getting a cheap iPad.
Nothing evil about protecting your designs
But quite a lot evil about falsifying evidence to make it look like a competitor's product does precisely ape your design, when in fact it doesn't. It has been proven beyond doubt that Apple did this in their evidence for the German ruling on the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Here's the simple equation: Apple didn't say a thing about other tablets that look a lot more like the iPad, because they were poorly supported and of not particularly high quality. As soon as there existed a well-supported tablet that matched or surpassed the iPad for spec, Apple cried "patent violation!" and tried to have sale of the offending item banned.
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2001 before ipad http://thumbsnap.com/s/ldbnbopz.png
Re: near enough
I'll give you credit, despite numerous examples, on this thread as well as several others, of tablet computers that look near identical to the iPad, all of which predate the iPad, some by over a decade, you're sticking to your guns.
Good on ya. You hang in there sunshine, you're a credit to your cause.
Dedicated to the Apple viewpoint. Deluded, but dedicated.
re:built as a copy of iOS
You might want to refer to this:
Sorry to use Wikipedia as a reference but .... Anyway, according to this, Android dates from 2003 which is a little before iOS was launched so I'm not sure you can say "was built as a copy of iOS".
<QUOTE>Just heavy, slow flattened PCs that consumers weren't interested in.</QUOTE>
Yeah, because they were running Windows XP.
I doubt anyone here would really argue that Apple haven't done well to make the tablet form-factor as popular as it is. Well done lads.
<QUOTE>And yes, android was built from day one to use a touchscreen, because it's was built as a copy of iOS. </QUOTE>
So what you're saying is that Android, which was in development long before St. Jobs started Apple going on iOS, copied iOS in having some icons that you press with fingers on a touchscreen device?
And this despite the fact that on Android you get a widget-able homescreen, instead of just the icon-grid when you power on and unlock an iPhone? Aside from having (admittedly) a grid of icons when you open the app drawer on a 'droid handset, but frankly, how else are you going to do it, they bear no resemblance in appearance! And the icon grid has been around for quite some time. Most OSs use it in fact.
<QUOTE>even then, it wasn't designed for tablets and there are still iPad clones out there being released with non tablet versions of Android for unwary consumers to buy thinking they're getting a cheap iPad.</QUOTE>
I'm not sure what your point is here.
Is it that the operating system (Android) designed for a phone OS wasn't suitable for larger, higher resolution tablet screens that weren't out at the time? Then yes, you're right. I seem to recall iOS having a similar problem with apps not working properly on iPads as well... So it needed a software update - big deal. Google have ALWAYS said that pre-3.0 releases weren't for tablets.
And quite how it is the fault of Google that unscrupulous hardware manufacturers KIRFing iPads, I'm not sure.
It's clear you're an Apple fan, and fair enough. Each to their own. Personally, I like the Apple hardware, but that walled-garden puts me off - i'll install whatever I want on *MY* device thanks - as does the fact I'd be forced to use iTunes, which is a horrific piece of software.
But honestly, if you want to pick holes in Android, feel free - you're entitled to your opinion, and there's plenty of legitimate grievances with Android as an OS. But just making crap up makes you look like an idiot.
You mean the Knight Ridder video mockup (not an actual tablet that could be used) or PC paving stones that totally failed to sell to anyone in any serious numbers?
How come Samsung etc. waited until after the iPad was launched to start doing their 'innovative' tablets rather than the laptop PC with the screen on the back attempts they'd been selling until then? Were they just saving their clever designs up until after Apple made them popular?
Gadzooks, what is it with titles?
near enough #
"Ok, a more accurate picture for the iPad side would have simply have been a blank space before the iPad as there weren't any iPad clones (modern tablet computers as you call them) before the iPad. Just heavy, slow flattened PCs that consumers weren't interested in.
And yes, android was built from day one to use a touchscreen, because it's was built as a copy of iOS. even then, it wasn't designed for tablets and there are still iPad clones out there being released with non tablet versions of Android for unwary consumers to buy thinking they're getting a cheap iPad."
Wow. I mean wow. Like really, wow.
I´ve not read anything as surreal as that in quite a while. The last line is simply breathtaking for its, well, craziness.
Don´t let facts...
...stand in the way of a good story.
Ron Fidler, the guy at Knight Ridder behind this, actually had prototypes made. Not mock ups. Prototypes.
There is a huge difference.
remove your blinkers
go take a look at the pictures of the HP tablet that a couple of others have mentioned. Take a good look at it. If you can say that the iPad does not bear any resemblance to the HP, then I call you a liar.
The iPad is as similar to the HP as the Tab is to an iPad.
You can claim that the iPad is thinner, well, what the hell do you expect? It was created over 5 years ago, technology advances, devices get thinner.
@Aaron Fothergill : Nutter or Apple Employee
@Aaron Fothergill, Do you work for Apple or are you one of those religious nutters they talk about here - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/19/fanboi_brain_study/ . Seriously copying the design what rubbish.
How else should a tablet look, its not like a car with a multitude of possibilities. To my memory we didn't see Laptop makers complaining that everyones portable notebook computers looked the same, even though they were. Whether it was a Dell, HP, NEC they all looked the same, pretty boring things, but they all looked the same.
The more and more apple related articles that come up on her the more I'm convinced its one big cult. Who needs a marketing budget when you've got jokers like this prepared to defend every action a company and every product they make. I just dont get it these jokers are defending companies who only motivation is to make money.
Competition is a good thing and outrageous patent claims do nothing to help our interests as consumers. I want choice as a consumer and so do most other people
Deceit is evil
Take a closer, unbiased, look at the pictures in your link:
The old pads...
all have rectangular screens
have rounded corners (except for the ruggedized ones. Note that the top left one has a similar colour edge to the background, making it look like it's not round)
all have flat screens and bezels
are all in landscape mode
has a rectangular screen (check)
has rounded corners (check)
has a flat screen and bezel (check)
Is in portrait mode (INNOVATION!)
The new pads...
have the same feature which the ipad borrowed from pre-existing pads (CHECK)
are not all in landscape mode (COPY)
But what should make you realise you've been had is that 2 of the new pads have been photographed in their native landscape mode and the picture has been rotated to make them look like ipads. How desperate do you have to be to attempt propaganda like that?
If you take 5 cars from the 80s and 5 cars from today you will see definite style differences between the cohorts and similarities within the cohorts. You could pick a car from the 90s and say it was the root of the design from then on, but you could pick any other car and say the same thing. It's not the case that because the entire market moved from similar styles in one decade to other similar styles in another decade that they were all copies of any design from either decade.
You mean, like every flat screen LCD, LED and plasma screen
don't forget pocket calculators.
Aaron check these out..
In your dreams
"There's nothing evil about protecting your work and designs. If it was some little outfit claiming the patent against Apple you'd be praising them as the new messiah."
There is everything evil in getting State to protect "your work" and "your designs". Because it's not "yours" at all - it's built on others' work and others' designs. You have a success and suddenly its "all yours, all of it!"? Sod that.
The market should be about competition and selling things people want. Not about locking out competition and forcing people to only buy your stuff.
It says more than you think
Basically, that link just shows the evolution of tablet designs.
The older technology was heavy so they tended to have handles but that disappeared as things got lighter. The rounded corners that Apple claim are a feature Samsung copied can clearly be seen in pre-iPad designs.
All of the earlier designs also have a screen surrounded by a bezel. Those earlier tablets are running XP and so also show a grid of icons on the desktop when you turn it on.
Of the post-iPad designs, half of them have been rotated 90 degrees to make them look more like the iPad than they actually are and disguise the fact that they all use a widescreen format.
Of course, you'd know all that already if you'd bothered to read the comments under the picture.
Before the iPad
In the weeks before the iPad was released EVERY Apple hater was ridiculing the idea of the device. Remember the comments about the iPod touch and iSanitary towel?
It took hold with the public (even Jake Humphrey carries one) and all of a sudden all the manufacturers who were left behind rushed to bring out their version.
I used a pen tablet PC. It was and is still horrible. (I don't have an iPad - no need for one)
The iPad form factor was new at the time of release. Previous computer touch screens (mass market and NOT phone) were single touch.
The design of iPad follows the iPhone theme, scaled up.
It is not the "patenting" of round corners, or the UI, or the thinness.. It is the copying of a whole package.
Changing a screen size doesn't materially alter the package.
The car analog is valid in so far as a car has (normally 4 wheels) a hood and a trunk. The car designers make an effort to differentiate their wares from their competitors. They use more than a coat of paint.
Sadly Samsung appeared to apply a coat of paint to an iPad. There is little/nothing that says "I'm a Samsung" about the G. Tab.
"Android was built from day-one to use a touchscreen"
You are wrong.
Android Prototype Phone, http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2007/12/androidlive.JPG
Prior to Schmidt leaving the Apple board.
> because it's was built as a copy of iOS
Android came into being a couple of years before iOS - though Google's aquisition of it coincided with the launch of the first Apple mobile phone - amusingly a joint effort with Motorola [the E790] the IP legacy of which must be keeping Apple lawyers up at night right now.
Quick, somebody send Samsung that link. Jobs and crew are just a bunch of whiney hacks.
But of course Jobs will probably react by filing a lawsuit against history for breaking his "facts".
He can't be just a troll.
Noway would an iPhony get a signal under a bridge- no matter how you hold it.
So Toshiba tablets (M200 circa 2004) never auto-rotated to portrait, or landscape depending on how they were held?
I still have mine and it still gives decent service. Ok, so it's a little heavy and gets a little hot and yes it is a quite thick, but it is +7 year old technology and it actually lets me run whatever I want on it (read: do real work) and converts to a real laptop with keyboard at the twist of the screen.
Oh and it has those extra pen buttons off-screen, which you just hover your pen over, to lock caps, control, (or user-defined action), etc. Perhaps Apple will "invent" those too, soon.
Maybe Apple should enforce their patents on thin-ness and cool-ness, which they undoubtedlly have thanks to an idiotic patent office and system.
Actually, rounded corners I'll give them
Apple may not have invented rounded corners on tablets, but when it comes to suing for the copying of design rulings are based solely on multiple points of similarity.
For example, none of the features of the Ford Ka are original to that vehicle; however, if Nissan made a car to an apparently identical design then Ford would be within their rights to sue. Nissan would have to show that their car was significantly different in some way in order to continue selling it.
Where it all falls down for Apple is that the Galaxy Tab does have enough significant differences that it cannot be easily confused with the heilPad. Once that has been established, then Apple could only successfully sue if Samsung had stolen a design feature that was unique to Apple products. Or if they bought the judge, of course.
There is little/nothing that says "I'm a Samsung" about the G. Tab...
... except where it says 'Samsung', both on the bottom of the front, and in big f**kin' letters across the back?
... except it uses the Samsung TouchWiz interface?
... except it's called the Samsung Galaxy Tab, meaning it's a device in the Samsung 'Galaxy' line of Android devices, and is a tablet device?
@ James 68
"jobs shat out the ipad in a cloud of diamond dust and unicorn vomit."
If I were drinking coffee my non-Apple screen would be wearing it now! lol
@ Rob Crawford
IBM Thinkpads also come to mind!
Good PR for Samsung
I haven't even seen the latest tab, but now that it's forbidden fruit I want one. How predictable of me.
I'm delighted with my hacked Vega, but I'm extremely tempted by a fondleslab that's good enough to scare Mr Jobbie to this extent...
(Big brother for the irony.)
If it means anything
I picked up the Asus Eeepad Transformer (16Gb, sans keyboard dock), lovely piece of kit despite the lack of 3G. Even apps that aren't made for tablets still look pretty decent. Overall I'm very happy with the purchase and I imagine the Samsung will be even better.
Yes they're evil.
> There's nothing evil about protecting your work
> and designs. If it was some little outfit claiming
> the patent against Apple you'd be praising
> them as the new messiah.
No we wouldn't.
Not everyone likes being a hypocrite.
So why samsung?
Tegra 2 pads are basically all the same, barring the odd keyboard or SD card slot. The Samsung one is just the latest in a long line (That's coming to an end once the Tegra 3's become available in a month or three and everything gets upgraded to be thinner, lighter, faster, etc.)
It seems odd to go after a relative latecomer, after a single product amongst dozens.. by the time they've had any effect the next gen ones will be out and they'll have to start all over again.
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