Prime Minister David Cameron has recalled Parliament after three nights of rioting, looting and arson on London's streets. The Palace of Westminster is currently in recess until 5 September, but MPs have been told to return to the House of Commons for one day on Thursday. Meanwhile, retailers across the capital are still …
as the police give the little poor misunderstood darlings a showing
I'm sure you meant a shoeing not a showing.
> the sooner they get some 80's styles policing with the end of s tuncheon the better
You might be right.
But you assume that the Police will use those truncheons on the right people; the case of Ian Tomlinson shows that such assumptions simply cannot be made safely.
The rioters are clearly responsible for their own actions here, but in other circumstances, the Police have been at least as much the cause of problems as they are the solution; whilst Police officers are less than absoutely trustworthy, it is a very dangerous plan to give them the role of judge, jury and executioner...
 How are Cleveland Police getting along this week, I wonder?
Partly responsible? Were they the refilling the petrol bombs?
There is a particular left wing fallacy that if you do something bad, it's not your fault - you're too stupid/poor/disenfranchised to know any better and were made to do it. The only people responsible for the rioting and looting are the rioters and looters.
There is a way to protest, as demonstrated by Mark Duggan's family. This is not a protest, however much the idiot left want it to be - it is criminal looting.
Stealing TVs and drugs, burning buildings and cars and terrorizing citizens is not a protest, it is thuggery. The left, as led by that moron Ken Livingstone, do not like the current government, nor the austerity conditions that are required after the previous government (which promised an end to boom and bust), and conflate idiots stealing and burning stuff with a political protest.
I can't decide which I dislike more - the twats rioting, or the cunts trying to tie their political flags to it.
You appear to be as corrupted as the people who you so magnificently call scum. Have you been reading too much Daily Mail?
The sooner morality and sensible economic policies can be put in place, the sooner we can pay for the shipping container for all Daily Mail readers and send them to some island where they can shout scum at the top of their lungs at each other. *roll eyes* It really is clichéd.
Uhm, no ?
What sane person would consider it fun to be a bystander during those riots ? Sorry but I'd have no love lost there; if you're a bystander you're just as bad as the rioters (looters) themselves because you didn't do anything to stop it. That includes not even turning your back to these despicable acts.
I'm more of a right-wing libertarian to be honest, but there you go.
"Partly responsible? Were they the refilling the petrol bombs?"
Of course not, but they have done little to help Britain pull itself out of the current slump, they have been more interested in trousering as much as they can. We have lost funding for schools, after-school clubs etc to massively wasteful PFI projects. Police are being trimmed down, army reduce etc etc. Meanwhile the fat get fatter and the poor poorer. This creates tension in a society and, whilst individual actions cannot be condoned, it does lead to a temporary loss of control.
"I can't decide which I dislike more - the ****s rioting, or the ****s trying to tie their political flags to it."
I dislike those who abuse their power and then deny responsibility for the results of their actions.
...has pretty much fallen hand over fist since the mid nineties, as it has in a great many nations. The reason is not known, but the reduction in lead levels in the environment is an interesting hypothesis.
Few are wiling to believe that crime has fallen, because this fact refuses to tie in with their political viewpoints - either crime is 'out of control' because youth is 'disenfranchised by the free market', or because 'there is no discipline in our schools'.
austerity is unnecessary
"nor the austerity conditions that are required after the previous government (which promised an end to boom and bust)"
Bunk. There is still enough money out there in the wrong hands (bankers') to fund public services. Our financial masters are taking advantage of the economic conditions to ram disaster capitalism down our throats.
> has pretty much fallen hand over fist since the mid nineties
*Reported* crime has fallen.
It is commonplace these days, IME, to meet people who have been the victims of crime but have not reported it - because there is a tendency for the Police to do precisely fuck all about anythnig that is reported.
Such an attitude did not seem to be so prevalent 20-odd years ago.
I have no idea why you use my name in your response; it doesn't seem to be pertinent to anything I wrote.
Have you just had a parallax moment?
Clarifying a subtlety
I would update your statement to say
"if you do something bad, it IS your fault. It's not your fault if you're too stupid/poor/disenfranchised to know any better"
People are who they are, and they are not to blame for having poor / stupid parents, growing up on the streets and around criminals etc.
Of course you are still correct that people are still responsible for their actions. Being poor / disenfranchised etc is maybe a reason, it is NOT an excuse. The rioters and looters are responsible for their actions and if criminal charges can be brought against them, they should be brought with full force. At the same time, government and civil society should ask itself what could be done better to prevent this sort of thing in the future.
scumbag Labour? Really? You mean Tory style New Labour? You've had your boys in power, in one form or another, since 1979 and every day we have fallen behind successful parts of Europe while copying whatever has failed in the US.
If the Tories couldn't win a landslide after 13 years of Gordon Brown as chancellor or Prime Minister, it suggests people are somewhat disillusioned with the same tired old BS.
Re: @Sarah Davis
I live in Sweden and we have similar issues due to some 70 years of labour party mismangement of the economy (and the society in general, really.) Things like this are going on in select suburbs (such as Rosengård in Malmö, or Tensta and Rinkeby in Stockholm) on regular basis, with mainstream media and the government preferring to hush everything down and stuff the things under the carpet.
This isn't only British problem, really.
Daniel from Stockholm
"If the Tories couldn't win a landslide after 13 years of Gordon Brown as chancellor or Prime Minister, it suggests people are somewhat disillusioned with the same tired old BS."
Or they wanted to hang on to their blameless benefit lifestyle a bit longer.
Let's have a start on the theft promoted and promulgated by those please.
The banks have no money.
Their money is our money
The banks operate "fractional reserve banking"
Basically, they lend people money they do not have.
If required to give their depositors their money back, all their money, they could only repay £1.50 for every 100 ponds deposited.
The worlds banks have been running a "pyramid" operation for many, many years now....decades and decades.....
the less they have, the more they pay themselves.
Re: Re: @Sarah Davis -- i.e. Daniel from Stockholm
Dear Daniel from Stockholm,
I applaud your madness and blatant lack of history. Quote: "70 years of labour party mismangement of the economy (and the society in general, really.)"
After you've read up on Den svenska modellen/The Nordic model
and hopefully understood that it is one of the reasons you're able to spout your silliness, I reward you by sending you back to the 1910's were you can jumpstart your own version of Sverige Demokraterna/Sweden Democrats or suitably twisted organisation.
Re: The Envoy
Thank you so much for generously enlightening me. Why, two brief Wikipedia articles will surely change my political views drastically, especially given the fact that I am so ignorant and illiterate that I, despite living in Sweden, had never heard of any Nordic Model or whatnot. Thank you oh thank you!
Now seriously, try calming down and reading http://reason.com/blog/2010/03/08/so-why-is-the-swedish-welfare (and watching the embedded video.) Reading select articles and books by Johan Norberg might be beneficial as well.
Being a Swedish citizen and taxpayer, I am seriously annoyed by the image of Sweden abroad, the image of "a country in which socialism works". Nothing could be farther from truth -- Sweden is merely an exception which proves the rule, a proof of concept that it is actually somehow possible for a socialist system not to ruin a country completely. Margaret Thatcher said that socialism works until you run out of other people's money, and that is precisely what happened to the glorious Swedish welfare model.
I will not respond to your pathetic ad hominem insults -- I understand it is normal for you leftists to regard opposing political views as "madness".
"Unconfirmed reports on Twitter suggest that the Currys store in New Cross, south-east London, was ransacked by looters last night."
Ha! The joke is on the looters! They are gonna be PISSED when they try to flog that gear online and realise it isn't worth quite as much as Currys said it was.
Doesn't matter to Curry's anyway. As long as their insurer pays...
At least, El Reg already has an appropriate logo for all this...
...were they recalled so they could do an "emergency expenses session", to claim for all the 'large TV's stolen" *cough* from their second homes..?
it would not surprise me...
...if they awarded themselves "danger money".
While some News channels (CNN, RT, CCTV, NHKworld, ... ) seem to portray and broadcast interviews robustly with widely varying views broadcast as is BBC News 24 seems to take a different track altogether.
Any one see the BBC News 24 live interview with a West Indian grandfather trying and emoting on social conditions active in the minds of potential rioters only to be countered with a comment along lines that he was a rioter himself?
Or the glib law and order effluent flowing from people who really, really should know better?
To paraphrase a Liverpool Uni professor:
you cannot dissociate riots from the social conditions or social injustice perceived in the minds of the rioters.
"has recalled Parliament after three nights of rioting"
I always wondered what MPs did on their holidays.
Lets make the most of a bad situation
Should any rioters be passing by the Reg comments section, could I point you in the direction of the nearest PC World? Preferably the Customer Service department, in particular.
3 ways to say the same thing?
1 - the ConDems reap what they sow
2 - it is a natural consequence of ConDem policy and practice
3 - is there an association between riot areas and NEET numbers? (Not in Education, Employment or Training).
The Labour investment in training and youth employment was not an indulgence. NEET tends to be a worldwide phenomena anyway.
the bleedin guardian readers have turned up as if the daily wail lot were'nt bad enough
Some of us old farts have seen this all before... especially in the 1980's
Peaceful protest is one thing, but outright looting and arson is another.
Solution, beyond water cannons filled with orange dye are more complex but after any morons are convicted, the police's famous 'kettling' techniques should be used and kettle the idiots in the buildings that have been burnt out, and there they can live for 3 months repairing it.
I wonder what the release date is for "Urban Street Riot 2011"
In it's first major update for 30 years Social unrest games presents -
"Urban Street Riot 2011"
New in this version.......
Full twitter and facebook integration
Wider range of looting available
New Police weapons and tactics including - Tasers, CS Gas, Ketteling and many more
Fully destructible environment
Updated graphics engine for fully lifelike flame and explosion effects
Individual and multi-player rioting options
Live newsfeed updates
New pontificating politician and bleeding heart liberal options
Full Ebay integration to fence your looted goods quicker
Full Google map function - Keep up with the mob or risk getting picked off by the feds
Pick the time of day to riot to suit yourself - You can now mould your rioting between signing on and closing time
Lootable powerups - Need more speed, loot Adidas trainers
Special missions include - Capture the BES, Best dressed Looter, most appearences on Sky TV etc
Your cynicism warms my heart, sir.
The best bit about this game is that you get infinite continues after being arrested.
@AC Tuesday 9th August 2011 13:33 GMT
I've seen some absolute Balls posted in my time, but that takes the biscuit! Oh its all the current governments fault, you shower of excement leave the economy in a state that would embrass a banana republic, buts its the Tories fault.
Shoot to stop
Police should shoot to stop these criminals. If they shoot people in the legs then you can be sure these morons won't be rioting any more, any time soon. You don't need to kill these fools to send them to the hospital and then to prison.
"police should shoot"
or Daily Mail reader. You decide.
Shoot them in the legs?
Someone's been watching too many movies, it seems.
I don't have a problem with the shooting idea, but if you're going to do it at least aim for something you're likely to hit.
Should slow them down nicely.
Shoot to kill
Head shots to slow them down ?
That pre-supposes there is anything in the head.
Arse-shots would be better.
Wrong prime minister
Getting Cameron in isn't going to make much difference. Getting Putin in would be quite another matter.
Re: Wrong prime minister
What would Winston Churchill do?
How to stop the riots!
Just seen these tweets:
#reclaimthestreets If enough law abiding citizens are on the streets it should stop riots, especially if they are from the local community.
#reclaimthestreets part2 Don't leave a vacuum fill the streets with mothers, families etc but protect your family and no Vigilantes!
Sounds like a good idea to me. A pity I'm not in London otherwise I could help put it into action.
"#reclaimthestreets If enough law abiding citizens are on the streets it should stop riots, especially if they are from the local community.
#reclaimthestreets part2 Don't leave a vacuum fill the streets with mothers, families etc but protect your family and no Vigilantes"
Yes, everyone out in the streets, leave your homes empty so we can nip in there once we've cleaned out Currys...
Rioting to highlight an injustice I can understand (still not necessarily agree with, but can at least see what they hope to achieve). This though is, for the large part, nothing more than thuggery and seeing how many plasma TVs can be stuffed in the back of a car and flogged on ebay..
A few injuries among them
Heard of business owners bruising their fists on looters faces
Also looks like there could go to full retaliation.
get out the baseball bats and crack some skulls. little shits deserve it. they are now ruining people's lives and livelihoods.
i can just see the BNP becoming more popular due to this, which would be a travesty.
Anon due to this
Over 30 attempted looters beaten up in one area by a load of hard nuts owning businesses under attack.
Only arrest was an ex boxer as above released no charge.
Got this 3rd hand
Solution is simple.
Some folks hunt rabbits. Some, deers. Dunno why someone doesn't organise (via twitter, facebook or blackberry) a "Hoodie-hunt". That'd fix it.
I'm not advocating violence.
Hand out lots of nice clean recreational sedatives / anaesthetics etc, the selfCentredPeople will make themselves happy and lie down quietly.
You probably wouldn't need to shoot too many
I imagine if the police started shooting looters it wouldn't take long before the riots ended. It ain't worth dying over but if you're dumb enough to riot you're dumb enough to die.
like in Egypt you mean?
Something for nothing. Freetards run riot. Bless them
I predicted this a year ago. See:
I'm 6,000 miles away, in Sonoma California, and even *I* could see that it was coming.